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bleedingTNorange said:
Probably depends on your definition, do you consider Bone/Schofield/Alexander NBA players? If so, I don’t think 4-6 is too crazy. I would bet Springer, Johnson, Pons and James all find their way into a NBA paycheck at some point, for how long may vary, but I think they’ll make a team. I don’t think Vescovi, Bailey, Fulk are out of the question either.
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Crazy thing is Santi's style will actually work better in the NBA. NCAA defenders are allowed to maul ball handlers.

Do I think he's ready right now? No, I don't. But 3 years under Barnes and he can be, especially if he starts pushing the stat line numbers. Last season he was already at 10.7ppg, 3.7apg, 3.3spg if he gets closer to 5apg and pushes 12+ppg by the time he leaves here I like his chances.
 
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I mean...UT guys who got shots in the NBA under Barnes (so far)

Kevin Punter (played for the t-wolves in the summer league)
Armani Moore (played for the pacers in the summer league)
Grant Williams - active roster Boston Celtics (1st round draft pick)
Admiral Schofield - active roster OKC Thunder (2nd round draft pick)
Kyle Alexander - (played for the heat in the summer league, landed on their g-league squad and was called up for 2 game appearances)
Jordan Bone - active 2-way contract with magic & g-league affiliate (2nd round draft pick)
Jordan Bowden - active Exhibit 10 deal with Nets


So when I say "NBA guys" I don't mean starting line up necessarily like J Rich or Tobias. Bowden's deal is worth almost a million dollars for 1 year he just snagged with the Nets. Hubbs is also still playing ball, but he went straight to the Euro leagues. Springer, JJJ, Keon all 3 are higher rated than any of these other guys (except Hubbs was 22 vs Keon at 23). So yeah I think 4-6 of the current roster guys could be NBA guys, but that also includes the NBA Exhibit 10, Summer League, & G-League in that statement.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I mean...UT guys who got shots in the NBA under Barnes (so far)

Kevin Punter (played for the t-wolves in the summer league)
Armani Moore (played for the pacers in the summer league)
Grant Williams - active roster Boston Celtics (1st round draft pick)
Admiral Schofield - active roster OKC Thunder (2nd round draft pick)
Kyle Alexander - (played for the heat in the summer league, landed on their g-league squad and was called up for 2 game appearances)
Jordan Bone - active 2-way contract with magic & g-league affiliate (2nd round draft pick)
Jordan Bowden - active Exhibit 10 deal with Nets


So when I say "NBA guys" I don't mean starting line up necessarily like J Rich or Tobias. Bowden's deal is worth almost a million dollars for 1 year he just snagged with the Nets. Hubbs is also still playing ball, but he went straight to the Euro leagues. Springer, JJJ, Keon all 3 are higher rated than any of these other guys (except Hubbs was 22 vs Keon at 23). So yeah I think 4-6 of the current roster guys could be NBA guys, but that also includes the NBA Exhibit 10, Summer League, & G-League in that statement.
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He is definitely making some kids wealthy. But just about anybody at a power 5 school that is a good player gets into some kind NBA summer league or camp. There is a big difference between that and making the NBA.
 
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I mean Keon, Springer, Pons, & JJJ seem like shoe-ins to me, but I'm just a fan with an opinion so who knows.
 
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The Exhibit 10 contract is a guarenteed invite to training camp and nothing more. If Bowden doesn't make the NBA roster, he can make $50k as a bonus (that is the max, could be as low as $5k) plus the G League contract (which is probably going to be around 50k as well) IF they want to keep him. So the above post about Bowden getting a million from the NBA is not true at all.

As far as NBA players go; the only lock to get a guaranteed deal with the NBA is Keon Johnson. I wouldn't call any other player on this roster a shoe-in to make it to the NBA at this point other than him.
 
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Vols8086 said:
The Exhibit 10 contract is a guarenteed invite to training camp and nothing more. If Bowden doesn't make the NBA roster, he can make $50k as a bonus (that is the max, could be as low as $5k) plus the G League contract (which is probably going to be around 50k as well) IF they want to keep him. So the above post about Bowden getting a million from the NBA is not true at all.

As far as NBA players go; the only lock to get a guaranteed deal with the NBA is Keon Johnson. I wouldn't call any other player on this roster a shoe-in to make it to the NBA at this point other than him.
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From the article I shared: Exhibit 10 deals are one-year contracts for the league minimum salary.

NBA 2020-21 season to have an $898,310 minimum salary for unchanged $109m salary cap


Still, the NBA is a "day to day" based salary. So if he makes the Nets squad then it's worth the minimum. They can also just waive him or "upgrade" him to a two-way contract. So you're right it's only worth near a million if he makes the NBA.

Seems like a good way to try out players before offering them anything. Seems like if he stays healthy and performs well he's at worst going to push 100k this first season after college.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
From the article I shared: Exhibit 10 deals are one-year contracts for the league minimum salary.

NBA 2020-21 season to have an $898,310 minimum salary for unchanged $109m salary cap


Still, the NBA is a "day to day" based salary. So if he makes the Nets squad then it's worth the minimum. They can also just waive him or "upgrade" him to a two-way contract. So you're right it's only worth near a million if he makes the NBA.

Seems like a good way to try out players before offering them anything. Seems like if he stays healthy and performs well he's at worst going to push 100k this first season after college.
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CBA Explained: Exhibit 10 Contracts

That explains the Exhibit 10 contract and how it is used. I will be incredibly shocked if Bowden makes an NBA roster.
 
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Vols8086 said:
Take away his HS star ranking and what has he done to make you think he has a "decent shot"?
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He may stay in college for four years. CRB has a knack for developing players when given time. JJJ is one of the most versatile players on the roster.
 
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Vols8086 said:
Take away his HS star ranking and what has he done to make you think he has a "decent shot"?
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6'6" with great size and as a freshmen he stuffed the stat sheets. 30mpg, 7.4ppg, 5.5rpg, 2.9apg, 0.9spg, 0.9bpg even after Turner went out he was basically the 5th option in our offense too, but still got good production. (Bowden, Fulky, Pons, Turner, Santi all ended up with more attempts per game than JJJ)
 
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BruinVol said:
The frame is the biggest plus with the versatile skill set
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PEPPERJAX said:
He may stay in college for four years. CRB has a knack for developing players when given time. JJJ is one of the most versatile players on the roster.
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Staying all 4 years isn't seen as a positive when it comes to the NBA draft. He may get better, but it doesn't necessarily improve his NBA stock. He has a solid frame, but he isn't a Pons like freak. There are plenty of draft worthy guys with his frame. Lastly, this versatile skillset is nice, but I'm afraid he may develop as a jack of all trades but master of none.

Obviously it is just one game into his second season, but there isn't anything about his game that screams "that guy will be in the NBA" right now. When you project him to the next level almost all of his skills measure out as a "solid" or "decent" at best, but he currently doesn't show being "great" at anything. Being a well rounded 4 year college player puts you at an Admiral Schofield prospect level, but even Admiral projected as a solid 3 and D bench guy with a some clear strengths. You can't say the same for James yet.
 
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Vols8086 said:
Staying all 4 years isn't seen as a positive when it comes to the NBA draft. He may get better, but it doesn't necessarily improve his NBA stock. He has a solid frame, but he isn't a Pons like freak. There are plenty of draft worthy guys with his frame. Lastly, this versatile skillset is nice, but I'm afraid he may develop as a jack of all trades but master of none.

Obviously it is just one game into his second season, but there isn't anything about his game that screams "that guy will be in the NBA" right now. When you project him to the next level almost all of his skills measure out as a "solid" or "decent" at best, but he currently doesn't show being "great" at anything. Being a well rounded 4 year college player puts you at an Admiral Schofield prospect level, but even Admiral projected as a solid 3 and D bench guy with a some clear strengths. You can't say the same for James yet.
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I don't mine being a realist, but with how things have gone for the Vols lately (football for example) why not let us be excited a bit about this team? :p

I didn't expect Bone to get drafted coming out a year early either. I think JJJ is further along than Admiral was as a freshmen though and if he gains the same level of explosiveness in his time here that Admiral/Grant did going through Barnes "fat" camps then he could be a quality NBA prospect as an off the bench contributor who can guard 1-3 for ya. What I'd say he is best at, especially as a guard is rebounding.
 
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Something I had not really thought about until seeing it transpire during the CO game.

Covid related team and practice issues hurt offense more than defense. Kind of like the old saying “defense travels”.

We’ve are the best defensive team in the SEC. it’s probably not close.

That’s a big deal this year.
 
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Vols8086 said:
Take away his HS star ranking and what has he done to make you think he has a "decent shot"?
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I personally think he has the qualities you want in a player on a coach Barnes team. He has the size and ability. Now, he just needs to learn the system, and build more confidence in his abilities at this level. Not every player develops as we would like, but I would project that he is likely to continue to get better to the point that a good NBA team would be glad to have him. That may not be this year, but I could see him having a breakout year next year.
 
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This may be stupid, but I feel kinda uneasy about the fact that we have 5 SEC-starter caliber guards. It's hard to describe, but I have a distant fear of chemistry being negatively affected...I dunno. Like I said, it's probably stupid.

I bet I will feel better as the season goes on and each player's role becomes more defined.
 
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