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Orange. said:
In one sense, one could say Lanier screwed Barnes over, if the former had given his word (which I don't know), so long as one knows how to take that in stride and not rage about it. In another sense, it's always on us to close. But I'm not going to rage and steam about that either.
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If this goes the wrong direction, I can assure you it won’t be the last time somebody “promises” a coach and then reneges for more cash. Don’t be surprised when it happens more than once every season in the new mercenary era. The definition of a mercenary is a soldier of fortune who fights for the highest bidder with no loyalty. This is no different so get ready.
 
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Delmar said:
If this goes the wrong direction, I can assure you it won’t be the last time somebody “promises” a coach and then reneges for more cash. Don’t be surprised when it happens more than once every season in the new mercenary era. The definition of a mercenary is a soldier of fortune who fights for the highest bidder with no loyalty. This is no different so get ready.
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There has always been money involved, it was just under the table. And I'm not a fan of catastrophizing about NIL or the portal. (I am even a rare bird (in this forum, at any rate) who likes this so-called wild west, but I don't want to go into that.)

But if you are interested in documenting the beginning of players promising a coach and then reneging for more cash, you will have to go far, far back in time.

Even the scholarships for athletes (which nowadays supposedly epitomize "amateur athletics") were introduced 100 years ago because (it was claimed) that pay would be pay enough, and so get rid of the problem of teams paying players under the table.

Kansas basketball shoe money, anyone? The examples go on forever. The difference at present is that the NCAA is not in a position to play favorites by deciding who not to go after and which of their favorites' rivals to go after.

As far as the post you quoted, I regret having said that because I was quibbling about people saying categorically that he would either "screw us over" or "not screw us over" (to use their terms). The truth is more complicated. Also people are assuming all kinds of things we don't know in the Lanier case. I am not angry with Lanier.

The biggest factor in the Lanier recruitment, I still think, was the NCAA making a sudden, unanticipated, and rather secretly conducted change to its policy on grad transfers.

Btw, I still think we will get him.
 
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Orange. said:
There has always been money involved, it was just under the table. And I'm not a fan of catastrophizing about NIL or the portal. (I am even a rare bird (in this forum, at any rate) who likes this so-called wild west, but I don't want to go into that.)

But if you are interested in documenting the beginning of players promising a coach and then reneging for more cash, you will have to go far, far back in time.

Even the scholarships for athletes (which nowadays supposedly epitomize "amateur athletics") were introduced 100 years ago because (it was claimed) that pay would be pay enough, and so get rid of the problem of teams paying players under the table.

Kansas basketball shoe money, anyone? The examples go on forever. The difference at present is that the NCAA is not in a position to play favorites by deciding who not to go after and which of their favorites' rivals to go after.

As far as the post you quoted, I regret having said that because I was quibbling about people saying categorically that he would either "screw us over" or "not screw us over" (to use their terms). The truth is more complicated. Also people are assuming all kinds of things we don't know in the Lanier case. I am not angry with Lanier.

The biggest factor in the Lanier recruitment, I still think, was the NCAA making a sudden, unanticipated, and rather secretly conducted change to its policy on grad transfers.

Btw, I still think we will get him.
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Well sure there was always money under the table. Hundred dollar handshakes. Some getting a few thousand or a car here and there. (Or a house for Reggie Bush’s family.) But it was nowhere close to the dollars being thrown around now. This is a whole different kettle of fish. When I say mercenary, that is what we are dealing with now. Like it or don’t, it doesn’t really matter.
 
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Delmar said:
Well sure there was always money under the table. Hundred dollar handshakes. Some getting a few thousand or a car here and there. (Or a house for Reggie Bush’s family.) But it was nowhere close to the dollars being thrown around now. This is a whole different kettle of fish. When I say mercenary, that is what we are dealing with now. Like it or don’t, it doesn’t really matter.
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It is mind-blowing to me that Auburn (allegedly) got Cam Newton to deliver a national title for under $200k and fifteen years later a guy who didn't even win ASUN Player of the Year is commanding upwards of $1.5MM.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
It is mind-blowing to me that Auburn (allegedly) got Cam Newton to deliver a national title for under $200k and fifteen years later a guy who didn't even win ASUN Player of the Year is commanding upwards of $1.5MM.
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No question. Average players are getting big bucks these days. And it’s about to get even crazier when the players become employees.
 
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walkenvol said:
As BTO pointed out, we’re not going to roll with only 10 scholarship players. The staff will find some more guys whether Lanier comes here or not. JMO
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I’m confident Barnes has others in mind in case we don’t land Chaz. I’ll trust Barnes as see how it pans out, regardless of the outcome.


Go Vols!
 
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Vol49er said:
Let’s not do this. It’s one thing to be upset with someone like Aidoo who was here and also (according to Barnes) made it seem like he was content to be here. But Lanier never even committed, much less was enrolled. He doesn’t owe Barnes anything
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And he hasn’t announced yet.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
Good read

sports.yahoo.com

NCAA, Power Five conferences vote to approve $2.8B settlement in House, Hubbard and Carter cases

In a landmark agreement that will transform the course of major college athletics, the NCAA has left behind its archaic rules and changed the way it's going to do business.
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Yeah the NCAA really f---ed everything up and now they're blaming the players and owe billions because they refused to allow every athlete to be paid $6,000 by their school 3 years ago. So they caught a >$1 billion debt via the courts as a result of their best thinking and pig-headedness.

Meanwhile, they are propagandizing fans to blame it all on the players and to run around like chicken littles saying that the sky is falling. What they really care about is reestablishing their power to turn a blind eye to favorites and assail their favorites' rivals. This has surely been a great time for us. The NCAA's so-called "enforcement" is incredibly corrupt and biased, and the article says their administrators are obessed with reestablishing their criminal tyranny. That's my biggest worry.
 
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Orange. said:
Yeah the NCAA really f---ed everything up and now they're blaming the players and owe billions because they refused to allow every athlete to be paid $6,000 by their school 3 years ago. So they caught a >$1 billion debt via the courts as a result of their best thinking and pig-headedness.

Meanwhile, they are propagandizing fans to blame it all on the players and to run around like chicken littles saying that the sky is falling. What they really care about is reestablishing their power to turn a blind eye to favorites and assail their favorites' rivals. This has surely been a great time for us. The NCAA's so-called "enforcement" is incredibly corrupt and biased, and the article says their administrators are obessed with reestablishing their criminal tyranny. That's my biggest worry.
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The NCAA is, and always has been, a morally corrupt and illegal entity used as a facade by the collective universities to create an illusion of altruism and respectability.
 
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Orange. said:
Yeah the NCAA really f---ed everything up and now they're blaming the players and owe billions because they refused to allow every athlete to be paid $6,000 by their school 3 years ago. So they caught a >$1 billion debt via the courts as a result of their best thinking and pig-headedness.

Meanwhile, they are propagandizing fans to blame it all on the players and to run around like chicken littles saying that the sky is falling. What they really care about is reestablishing their power to turn a blind eye to favorites and assail their favorites' rivals. This has surely been a great time for us. The NCAA's so-called "enforcement" is incredibly corrupt and biased, and the article says their administrators are obessed with reestablishing their criminal tyranny. That's my biggest worry.
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Since the NCAA did nothing while coaches and administrators were taking millions while they took a stance against the players taking a couple hundred dollars a week, I’ll be glad to see them go out of business.
 
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The waiting game continues for Chaz Lanier, but not for much longer according to the buzz we’re hearing. We don’t have a deadline for a decision, but based on what we’re hearing it sounds like news will break sooner rather than later.

Lanier wrapped up his official visit to Tennessee on Wednesday after previously having seen Kentucky and BYU.

We think that Tennessee felt good about where things stood with Lanier when he ended his visit.
Tennessee had continued dialogue with Lanier’s family on Thursday following that visit.

It feels at this time like Tennessee is the team to beat. We believe the earth is getting big in the window and a decision could come as early as Friday and likely no later than the end of the weekend.

As has been discussed at length Tennessee did not come to this recruitment with the largest NIL package of his three finalists.

We believe that both Kentucky and BYU presented NIL packages in excess of $1 million with BYU’s offer being significantly higher than the ‘Cats’.

Tennessee’s NIL offer is not in the seven figure range, based on the buzz we’re hearing, though it’s considered competitive with Kentucky’s.

All of that is a long-winded way of saying that if Lanier chooses Tennessee he’s going to be leaving money on the table in order to play for the Vols. If that indeed is how things play out, that’s a pretty strong comment on this staff and how they’re perceived in the college basketball community.

As for the current team and incoming transfers everyone has been getting a break and will start to reconvene on campus over the next week before summer workouts begin in earnest.
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-VQ
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Since the NCAA did nothing while coaches and administrators were taking millions while they took a stance against the players taking a couple hundred dollars a week, I’ll be glad to see them go out of business.
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also took a stand over a coach helping a player get a suit or get home for a family members funeral. They’re a bunch of clowns.
 
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Anybody following the LVs? Tried to venture into their recruiting threads and doesn’t seem to be a summary post showing players and recruits like we have in here. Or else I missed it altogether. Don’t venture in there much but would love to see where things/expectations stand for the team.
 
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JelloPuddinPup said:
Anybody following the LVs? Tried to venture into their recruiting threads and doesn’t seem to be a summary post showing players and recruits like we have in here. Or else I missed it altogether. Don’t venture in there much but would love to see where things/expectations stand for the team.
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Here is the transfer situation:

www.utdailybeacon.com

Lady Vols basketball transfer portal tracker: Who's in, who's out under Kim Caldwell

With new head coach Kim Caldwell taking over for Lady Vols basketball, the team has been active in the transfer portal so far.
www.utdailybeacon.com www.utdailybeacon.com

We had a five-star commit, Nyla Brooks, who decommitted but says she is still considering us.
 
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SIAP, don’t see it, but Mark Sears is returning for Alabama. They’re scary. I think the perception around here is Barnes owns Oats bc of the last two years but I recall struggling against him in his first few years at Bama, and I’d argue next year’s roster may well be his best at Alabama despite having a number one overall seed and a Final Four appearance
 
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