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MoCo_Vol said:
Just an update...

Zakai Zeigler now has 714 assists for his career, 2 and he'll surpass Johnny Darden (715). He now has 245 steals distancing himself from Vescovi (212) every game.

Seriously impressive to have a PG score 1500 career points, 700 assists, 350 rebounds and 200 steals....truly a special player we've been lucky to have.

A few single season records we've seen made this season or in reach still

ZZ - 242 assists (and counting) previous record was Rodney Woods at 227 50 years ago!
Chaz (110) is now 9 made 3s away from surpassing Lofton for most in a season at 118
ZZ - has 64 steals, single season record is 78 held by LaMarcus Golden... 15 more isn't out of the question with a deep run
Felix - has 59 blocks, single season record is 73 held by CJ Black & Yves Pons (14 blocks would require a pretty deep run...the most he's had in one game thus far was 4)
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I like Chaz a lot, but hope Lofton remains the record holder as in my memory he’s the best Ut distance shooter of all time. JMO
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Just an update...

Zakai Zeigler now has 714 assists for his career, 2 and he'll surpass Johnny Darden (715). He now has 245 steals distancing himself from Vescovi (212) every game.

Seriously impressive to have a PG score 1500 career points, 700 assists, 350 rebounds and 200 steals....truly a special player we've been lucky to have.

A few single season records we've seen made this season or in reach still

ZZ - 242 assists (and counting) previous record was Rodney Woods at 227 50 years ago!
Chaz (110) is now 9 made 3s away from surpassing Lofton for most in a season at 118
ZZ - has 64 steals, single season record is 78 held by LaMarcus Golden... 15 more isn't out of the question with a deep run
Felix - has 59 blocks, single season record is 73 held by CJ Black & Yves Pons (14 blocks would require a pretty deep run...the most he's had in one game thus far was 4)
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I wonder how long the list of players with those career numbers is, especially a player who didn't benefit from a 5th year of some sort?
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
All 4 seasons team won at least 25 games, 3 of them 27 (with this one still going).

If you're doing a Mt Rushmore of career (at least 3 years as a Vol) no way ZZ isn't on there for what he's accomplished as an individual as well as team.
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If Mount Rushmore had 5 spots Im guessing most people would say Grant, Lofton, ZZ, Bernard, and Houston. Tough to leave off one of those guys
 
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VolCalls said:
I don't want or need your money. Never did. Just wanted you to acknowledge you lost the bet and offer to pay.
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If you change your mind let me know, I have no problem doing so. And I am sorry for forgetting and not seeing any of the bumps. I wasn't actively trying to duck anything. You were right and I was wrong.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I wonder how long the list of players with those career numbers is, especially a player who didn't benefit from a 5th year of some sort?
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Well ZZ is the only SEC player to accomplish it...I'll see what I can dig up.

Career all-time stats are a bit more difficult to pull for college than pro sports unfortunately...

Edit: Very short list

24 players have managed to reach 1500 points, 700 assists, 350 rebounds, and 200 steals in 4 years or less of college play.
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One note, Lee Mayberry was at Arkansas when they were still in the Southwest Conference, that's why ZZ is the only SEC player to have accomplished it.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I wonder how long the list of players with those career numbers is, especially a player who didn't benefit from a 5th year of some sort?
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Ace Baldwin Jr. (PSU). Only active* Division I player and one of just nine Division I players since the 1947-48 season (77 years) to accumulate career marks of 1,500+ points, 700+ assists and 300+ steals.


Kadary Richmond. (St. Johns) (even w/o his 1sst year at 'Cuse would still have it). One of only nine since 1947-48 with over 1,500 career points (1,593), 700 career assists (782), and 300 career steals (313).


Branden Smith. (Purdue) Will almost undoubtedly get there, he's a JR.


*Richmond added to the list after that was published.
 
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YankeeVol said:
Ace Baldwin Jr. (PSU). Only active* Division I player and one of just nine Division I players since the 1947-48 season (77 years) to accumulate career marks of 1,500+ points, 700+ assists and 300+ steals.


Kadary Richmond. (St. Johns) (even w/o his 1sst year at 'Cuse would still have it). One of only nine since 1947-48 with over 1,500 career points (1,593), 700 career assists (782), and 300 career steals (313).


Branden Smith. (Purdue) Will almost undoubtedly get there, he's a JR.


*Richmond added to the list after that was published.
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Ace is playing his 5th year at Penn State right now.

Braden Smith should for sure reach it though. 3 years and he's at 1338 points, 525 rebounds, 732 assists, 179 steals
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Ace is playing his 5th year at Penn State right now.

Braden Smith should for sure reach it though. 3 years and he's at 1338 points, 525 rebounds, 732 assists, 179 steals
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I'm aware. (and would still have it taking his 1st year at VCU out).

Same with Richmond (and his 1st year at 'Cuse).
 
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Chaz-Vol said:
If Mount Rushmore had 5 spots Im guessing most people would say Grant, Lofton, ZZ, Bernard, and Houston. Tough to leave off one of those guys
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Yeah, for basketball call it a starting 5

G - ZZ (134 games, 1506 pts, 714 asts, 351 rbds, 245 stls, 21 blks)
G - Lofton (128 games, 2131 pts, 220 asts, 427 rbds, 193 stls, 12 blks)
G - Houston (128 games, 2801 pts, 460 asts, 517 rbds, 133 stls, 50 blks)
F - Grant (104 games, 1629 pts, 219 asts, 678 rbds, 89 stls, 160 blks)
F - Bernard (76 games, 1962 pts, 161 asts, 1004 rbds) - not sure how many steals/blocks he had

Might be a little undersized as Grant & King were both just 6'7" but I think we'd do alright.

What's wild to me is that Grant/King both could have set quite a few career records had they played a 4th year
 
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YankeeVol said:
I'm aware. (and would still have it taking his 1st year at VCU out).

Same with Richmond (and his 1st year at 'Cuse).
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Baldwin would only have 345 rebounds then, the cutoff was 350.

Richmond is currently below 700 assists for his career with the 1 year at 'Cuse so he's below the cutoff.

1500 points, 700 assists, 350 rebounds, and 200 steals I listed the 24 that met those numbers in 4 years or less.
 
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walkenvol said:
Houston over Ellis is debatable.

Ellis was a 2 time SEC POY and 2 time first team all-American.

Houston was a 4x all-SEC and 1 time 3rd team all-American.
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Ellis dragged what would have been a second division group to consecutive NCAA's and should have beaten the great Ralph Sampson UVa team at least once. I wasn't around for BK, but Dale Ellis is the greatest all around college player I've ever seen.
 
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walkenvol said:
I like Chaz a lot, but hope Lofton remains the record holder as in my memory he’s the best Ut distance shooter of all time. JMO
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If Tennessee is going to make noise in the tournament, they're going to need Lanier to hit a hell of a lot more than 9 three pointers. So. You're sort of stuck on that one.
 
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Five best or best possible starting 5 unit? TN’s history is loaded with 6’6” and 6’7” forwards and off guards. King, Grunfeld, Ellis, Houston, Williams. But as a unit a Boerwinkle or Kosmalski would be needed in the paint to round it out. Or Reggie Johnson. King had Kosmalski for one year and Reggie was a physically immature freshman in their last. But in the 2 years in between TN was missing a big man when it was an era that required one. Doug Ashworth was out of position as a 1970s low post/center.
 
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We’re likely going to be double digit favorites in both first weekend games. We very well could be double digit favorites in our sweet 16 game. Can’t remember a time we’ve been handed this wide open of a deep run in March. Really hope we take advantage of this, especially with there being a strong possibility of mayhem in the top half of our bracket.
 
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Call me crazy but I have a good feeling this is the yr we get over the hump. Idk if we win it all, but final four bound due to our guard play.
 
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