The Official 2010 MLB trade rumor thread

#77
#77
hatvol96 said:
I'm sure they passed up a myriad of better deals because they just wanted to help Washington out.
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Yeah you're right, I'm sure the Twins called up a bunch of teams looking to deal Wilson Ramos for whatever they could.

And I'm sure the Nats would only take a top ranked catching prospect for their middle tier closer.
 
#78
#78
Heebs said:
Yeah you're right, I'm sure the Twins called up a bunch of teams looking to deal Wilson Ramos for whatever they could.

And I'm sure the Nats would only take a top ranked catching prospect for their middle tier closer.
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If you think GMs of contenders haven't talked to every single one of their counterparts to inquire as to what's available, I can't help you. Wilson Ramos was traded for Matt Capps for a simple reason. Capps is the best asset he would fetch.
 
#79
#79
And bad deals have never been made. I have a hard time believing that Ramos was the only player the Nats would take in exchange for Capps.
 
#80
#80
Heebs said:
And bad deals have never been made. I have a hard time believing that Ramos was the only player the Nats would take in exchange for Capps.
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Maybe he was the worst player the Nats would take for Capps. Wilson Ramos isn't a great prospect. He is the definition of an out machine and he isn't showing any power.
 
#81
#81
Heebs said:
And bad deals have never been made. I have a hard time believing that Ramos was the only player the Nats would take in exchange for Capps.
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So, is your position that Minnesota, which has one of the shrewdest personnel operations in the game, called Washington and immediately offered Ramos for Capps, or do you think the Nats asked for a lesser prospect and the Twins said, "No, we'll give you Ramos"?
 
#82
#82
I don't think the Nats said, Ramos or nothing.

And if they did, good for them, they're learning something. Because I'd much rather have Ramos than a half year of Capps.

And I'm well aware of the Twins' reputation, but I'm not going to believe that they didn't come up short with this one.
 
#83
#83
vols kick balls said:
Maybe he was the worst player the Nats would take for Capps. Wilson Ramos isn't a great prospect. He is the definition of an out machine and he isn't showing any power.
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I'm always amazed when people act as if organizations with outstanding player development operations don't know their own prospects. It's like yesterday. Philadelphia gets Roy Oswalt for J.A. Happ and two guys that will amount to nothing in the major leagues and people were acting as if Amaro got fleeced. Minnesota made that trade for a simple reason. They'd rather have Matt Capps' present than Wilson Ramos' future. Period.
 
#84
#84
Heebs said:
I don't think the Nats said, Ramos or nothing.

And if they did, good for them, they're learning something. Because I'd much rather have Ramos than a half year of Capps.

And I'm well aware of the Twins' reputation, but I'm not going to believe that they didn't come up short with this one.
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Exactly what is Ramos going to help the Twins win this season? When is he going to unseat Mauer? His only value to that organization is as a trade asset. The more he proves to be an overhyped version of a Molina brother, the less valuable he is. The Twins are trying to win now. Holding onto prospects and hoping gets you nowhere.
 
#85
#85
vols kick balls said:
Maybe he was the worst player the Nats would take for Capps. Wilson Ramos isn't a great prospect. He is the definition of an out machine and he isn't showing any power.
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From what I've heard he's top prospect who projects as a great catcher. It's his first year in AAA and everywhere else he's hit for a good average. I wouldn't call him an out machine yet.
 
#86
#86
hatvol96 said:
Exactly what is Ramos going to help the Twins win this season? When is he going to unseat Mauer? His only value to that organization is as a trade asset. The more he proves to be an overhyped version of a Molina brother, the less valuable he is. The Twins are trying to win now. Holding onto prospects and hoping gets you nowhere.
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The Twins won't be winning anything this year anyway. Capps doesn't change that.

And my point wasn't that they need to hang on to Ramos because they are going to use him in the future. I don't know where you got hung up on that. My point was that they could get more than a half of a season of a guy that couldn't make it with the Pirates.
 
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#87
#87
Heebs said:
From what I've heard he's top prospect who projects as a great catcher. It's his first year in AAA and everywhere else he's hit for a good average. I wouldn't call him an out machine yet.
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He is supposedly good defensively, never seen him play but that is always what the scouting reports say. He had a couple decent seasons in the lower minors and a short stint in AA but never had a breakout year. He was ranked highly because many thought he would breakout this year. The opposite has happened. He is getting eaten alive by AAA prospects and AAAA fodder. He has no power, refuses to take a walk, and he isn't even hitting for a decent average now.

His OBP is .280, that's an out machine if I have ever seen one.
 
#88
#88
Heebs said:
My point was that they could get more than a half of a season of a guy that couldn't make it with the Pirates.
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Says who? There aren't any secrets in baseball. Once you put a guy out there, everyone knows he's available in short order. Had Minnesota gotten a better offer for Ramos, he wouldn't be heading to Washington.
 
#90
#90
The Astros are picking up a lot of the money owed to Berkman and won’t obtain top prospects in return, according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney. The Yankees expect to make one or two more moves and continue working on trades (all Twitter links).
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wat?
 
#91
#91
Why would they take on so much money on both Oswalt and Berkman's salaries?
 
#92
#92
hatvol96 said:
You obviously have a much higher opinion of the White Sox than their own manager and GM.
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Detroit will be there as well.

But it doesn't matter if they win the Central anyway, when's the last time they did anything of note in the playoffs? Well, besides losing to the Yankees in 4 games of course.

For their vaunted personnel department they certainly have a lot of hardware to display right?
 
#93
#93
Heebs said:
Detroit will be there as well.

But it doesn't matter if they win the Central anyway, when's the last time they did anything of note in the playoffs? Well, besides losing to the Yankees in 4 games of course.

For their vaunted personnel department they certainly have a lot of hardware to display right?
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When they use the money from selling playoff tickets to expand their budget for next season, that'll show why it's important.
How many franchises have multiple World Series wins in the last 25 years? I'd say making that list is doing a decent job.
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#94
#94
They already have a $100 million dollar payroll. Are you saying it'll be full of more Jim Thome's?

And I'm going to venture a guess and say their front office is made up a bit differently today than it was in 87 and 91. I could be wrong though.
 
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#95
#95
Heebs said:
They already have a $100 million dollar payroll. Are you saying it'll be full of more Jim Thome's?
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History says no. They'll use it to resign their own guys. If they had the new ballpark a couple of years ago, Santana would still be there. Think that would change the dynamic a bit? You won't see them nontendering David Ortiz anymore.
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#96
#96
Heebs said:
They already have a $100 million dollar payroll. Are you saying it'll be full of more Jim Thome's?

And I'm going to venture a guess and say their front office is made up a bit differently today than it was in 87 and 91. I could be wrong though.
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Not that differently. They've consistently promoted in house. The guys there now are ones who learned from Andy McPhail, etc.
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#97
#97
hatvol96 said:
History says no. They'll use it to resign their own guys. If they had the new ballpark a couple of years ago, Santana would still be there. Think that would change the dynamic a bit? You won't see them nontendering David Ortiz anymore.
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To be fair, how did they know he'd start juicing and blow up?
 
#98
#98
Heebs said:
To be fair, how did they know he'd start juicing and blow up?
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True, but even pre roids he was good enough hitter to merit the moderate salary it would have cost to tender him.
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#99
#99
Heebs said:
From what I've heard he's top prospect who projects as a great catcher. It's his first year in AAA and everywhere else he's hit for a good average. I wouldn't call him an out machine yet.
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Plus Joe Mauer won't be playing catcher forever.
 
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