The Official Tennessee @ #8 Florida Game Thread, 4:00pm ET, ESPN3

[RikidyBones]

i saw nobody else at that point of the game cussing. was it a ridiculous call? yes

the point though is you dont give the ref ANY excuse what so ever at that point in the game to T you up. i understand wes was excited and made a really good play, but you have to be smarter.

when golden buried ft's at the end i didnt see him say F-ya man. just gotta be smarter, thats all. its understandable why he did it, but that doesnt mean he shouldnt be punished for it IMO.

Right you didnt see it. But things are said on the court. Just sit court side and you hear it. Its not a big deal at all. A "get that **** outta here" is childs play. If he said F you or step off bi&*h then I couldnt agree more. Its as harmless as saying s&%t after a missed FT. Again, its not a big deal and probably wouldnt be called any other day.

Personally, I never swore on the court but I heard many many many others do it. A reason I didnt swear was because I was out of breath and at a disadvantage being white and short (5'10) :good!: lol.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Right you didnt see it. But things are said on the court. Just sit court side and you hear it. Its not a big deal at all. A "get that **** outta here" is childs play. If he said F you or step off bi&*h then I couldnt agree more. Its as harmless as saying s&%t after a missed FT. Again, its not a big deal and probably wouldnt be called any other day.

Personally, I never swore on the court but I heard many many many others do it. A reason I didnt swear was because I was out of breath and at a disadvantage being white and short (5'10) :good!: lol.

ive been down on the floor for many college games, not ut unfortunately, and believe me i know, its like being on a navy ship the cussing that takes place.

all im saying is dont direct it at someone at that point in the game. we dont know what he said, if he said f ya baby i have an issue with the t, if at that point he says get that weak sht outta here, that is taunting and i get the call.

if im ccm i figure out what the exact words used were and go from there. if it was something that ccm agrees was worthy of a T then i would fully expect him to be getting punished.

 

[volbreaker]

i saw nobody else at that point of the game cussing. was it a ridiculous call? yes

the point though is you dont give the ref ANY excuse what so ever at that point in the game to T you up. i understand wes was excited and made a really good play, but you have to be smarter.

when golden buried ft's at the end i didnt see him say F-ya man. just gotta be smarter, thats all. its understandable why he did it, but that doesnt mean he shouldnt be punished for it IMO.

Hang on.....that is my entire point. You can watch it over and over and you'll ALSO never see Washpun say that......I saw it PLENTY, but not then. If you are going to T a kid up at that point in the game for an under the breath word and ZERO taunt or bad body language then you'll find something else. Get off of the kid.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Hang on.....that is my entire point. You can watch it over and over and you'll ALSO never see Washpun say that......I saw it PLENTY, but not then. If you are going to T a kid up at that point in the game for an under the breath word and ZERO taunt or bad body language then you'll find something else. Get off of the kid.

his back was to us you couldnt see his face as he swatted it out of bound. for all we know he said get that outta here, ima screw your mother like i did the refs.

thats what im saying we dont know what got said. if i was ccm i make it a ponit to find out what was said, and go from there.

 

[volbreaker]

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You can see how the youngster may be a bit confused. Here ya go......a taunt on EVERY play. Now, go back and look at the call. You tell me

 

[bleedingTNorange]

UK Basketball: Are You Ready SEC??? - YouTube
You can see how the youngster may be a bit confused. Here ya go......a taunt on EVERY play. Now, go back and look at the call. You tell me

i agree but thats what happens when you have the refs in your pocket, they dont call you for taunting

 

[OrangeBalls]

.....besides, I'm just saying to quit throwing the kid under the bus for getting a ridiculous call at a crucial moment by a ref that had an obvious agenda. It's not like he was acting like a Florida player or something.

No one is throwing anyone under the bus. He made a stupid mistake after only playing seconds in a game. Whether you think the ref should've made the call or not doesn't matter. He saw something that he thought was out of line and he called it. Like bleeding said, if they hit the free throws and we miss ours it's a 3 point game and if they hit a 3 we're going to OT. Washpun would've been raked over the coals for giving Fla a chance to tie it when the game should've already been over.

My problem is a kid comes in with seconds to go after Maymon, McBee, Golden, Hall, McRae and the rest of the guys have busted their ass and he gets a stupid tech when he had contributing nothing to the victory. If you think I'm hard on him, those coaches and players would've been pissed at him for giving Fla a chance at a win they didn't deserve.

 

[OrangeBalls]

A "dont do that again" is all that is necessary. You have obviously never played the game. If you think cursing is enough to go all up in arms about then you have a lot of learning to do about the basketball culture. Its common place to swear. Its common place to "taunt" a little bit following a solid play. Get the stick outta your ass. Did you get packed often in physical education? Is that why you think he should be punished? CCM has probably said the SAME THING during a game. He's probably said worse. The ref is the only one that needs talking to for calling the game inconsistently.

It was a ridiculous tech. Techs like that RARELY happen. I'd bet the house if he did the same thing on Wednesday it would NOT be called. I'd also bet that 99.999999% of the refs would not call that in college. You've gone far enough to call it selfish, so obviously it got to you. You're being a drama queen about it and its pathetic. I suppose i'll "leave it at that." :hi:

I get where you are coming from to a degree... but its ridiculous to punish a kid for doing the same things that 9 other guys on the court are doing. Stop acting like he punched someone.

And where did I say anything to the contrary? I fully expect Martin to have given him some advice after the game and told him not to do it again. If he doesn't, then his ass gets further buried on the bench.

Again, Washpun comes in with seconds in the game after contributing nothing when McBee, Golden, Maymon, Hall and McRae have busted their ass and almost gave Fla a chance in hell. That's my problem with it. I could see a player that had played all game getting fired up because he had been in the game all day. Washpun comes in with seconds to go and gets a stupid T and hasn't done anything all damn day.

And I'll match wits with you anytime when it comes to hoops. It's obvious you've never coached because anyone with any sense knows that isn't tolerated. I've played and coached more than you've probably been alive. No coach worth their salt would ever tolerate that. Ever. If he did, he's a damn moron.

Once you take the orange blinders off maybe you can look at things rationally.

 

[volbreaker]

No one is throwing anyone under the bus. He made a stupid mistake after only playing seconds in a game. Whether you think the ref should've made the call or not doesn't matter. He saw something that he thought was out of line and he called it. Like bleeding said, if they hit the free throws and we miss ours it's a 3 point game and if they hit a 3 we're going to OT. Washpun would've been raked over the coals for giving Fla a chance to tie it when the game should've already been over.

My problem is a kid comes in with seconds to go after Maymon, McBee, Golden, Hall, McRae and the rest of the guys have busted their ass and he gets a stupid tech when he had contributing nothing to the victory. If you think I'm hard on him, those coaches and players would've been pissed at him for giving Fla a chance at a win they didn't deserve.

"The kid" was doing nothing that hadn't happened in every college BBall game in 30 years (and the entirity of this game). The REF is who should be raked over the coals. He came in, busted his own ass, made a great play and did the exact same thing that everyone else did all game. Period.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

"The kid" was doing nothing that hadn't happened in every college BBall game in 30 years (and the entirity of this game). The REF is who should be raked over the coals. He came in, busted his own ass, made a great play and did the exact same thing that everyone else did all game. Period.

the simple point is at that point in the game you do NOTHING to give the ref a chance to call a T. i guarantee you ccm will say wes made a mistake and that he reacted in a way he shouldnt have.

 

[OrangeBalls]

"The kid" was doing nothing that hadn't happened in every college BBall game in 30 years (and the entirity of this game). The REF is who should be raked over the coals. He came in, busted his own ass, made a great play and did the exact same thing that everyone else did all game. Period.

So, you think everyone that made a play in the game cussed down the opposing player? That's so absurd that I can't even believe you're trying to argue that.

Washpun played seconds in the game and you think he busted his ass? LMAO. Tell that to Maymon. He'd get a good laugh at that.

I don't give a damn who did what and where and how many times it has been done. He said something within earshot of the ref and got a T. Period. If you're going to do it, at least be smart and do it outside of the earshot of the ref or don't do it all. It's pretty damn simple really.

 

[OrangeBalls]

the simple point is at that point in the game you do NOTHING to give the ref a chance to call a T. i guarantee you ccm will say wes made a mistake and that he reacted in a way he shouldnt have.

Exactly. Or he stays buried on the bench like he has all year. You think actions like that are going to garner him extra playing time?

This is so damn absurd that I can't believe anyone with even a smidgen of basketball sense would even be arguing this.

 

[volbreaker]

And where did I say anything to the contrary? I fully expect Martin to have given him some advice after the game and told him not to do it again. If he doesn't, then his ass gets further buried on the bench.

Again, Washpun comes in with seconds in the game after contributing nothing when McBee, Golden, Maymon, Hall and McRae have busted their ass and almost gave Fla a chance in hell. That's my problem with it. I could see a player that had played all game getting fired up because he had been in the game all day. Washpun comes in with seconds to go and gets a stupid T and hasn't done anything all damn day.

And I'll match wits with you anytime when it comes to hoops. It's obvious you've never coached because anyone with any sense knows that isn't tolerated. I've played and coached more than you've probably been alive. No coach worth their salt would ever tolerate that. Ever. If he did, he's a damn moron.

Once you take the orange blinders off maybe you can look at things rationally.

Oh really???? Where in the hell have you been for the last half century?
Cal has some choice words for Terrance Jones - YouTube
Now, if I count one F-bomb, I count 10. Sure, that is his player, but what this shows is how engrained into the culture this is and if it is about a curse word then here are a ton. If it's about taunting.....he didn't any more than every player on every great play (reference McBee, after taking crap all pre-game and hitting his second 3, running back and shrugging at them) Now, what I still don't get is if you've gone back and LOOKED at the play. I can see him for almost every single second and unless he said for the ref's Mom to do something in a ventriloquist (sp?) voice, then it was a case of a kid being called out unjustifyably after an entire game full of taunting and cursing. If that is the case.....and it is.....then quit getting all pissy on the kid. He has a great attitude, busts his balls for the Vols and did NOTHING that doesn't happen all game EVERY game.Washpun doesn't deserve your sh** that you dished on him.....even if he said Hail Hitler, 'cuz if he did, he did it in a non-taunting way. Watch it yourself and quit siding with the worst officiating in the U.S[live].A. Watch the whole game.....taunting run amuck. What you are saying is that because he didn't get his number called until that (very pivotal) moment....NOT mop-up duty as you called it, but tapped for his defensive skills for that very moment and skill, then he somehow should instinctively know that he was going to be treated differently and get his balls busted for not knowing that fact. Silly really. Frankly, with the way that you are acting towards this kid I am glad that you didn't coach my kids. This whole thing and this post that I am responding to SMACKS of a "frontrunner/play favorites" type of attitude that, IMO, is the type of rec league-esque coaching from "wanna-be" parents that makes me kind of sick. LEAVE THE KID ALONE. STOP BUSTING ON HIM. He's a great kid/player/competiter and was in there because CCM thought that he gave the team the best chance to win and did nothing to deserve the ass chewing that several of ya'll gave him. WATCH THE PLAY. The ref never should have called that T at that moment for language in a game that is peppered with horrible language PLUS taunting. The player could not have known......AND, once again, it WAS NOT MOP UP duty. He was tapped for his skill at a particular, pivotal moment and deserved to be there and have equal treatment just as much as anybody on the floor.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Oh really???? Where in the hell have you been for the last half century?
Cal has some choice words for Terrance Jones - YouTube
Now, if I count one F-bomb, I count 10. Sure, that is his player, but what this shows is how engrained into the culture this is and if it is about a curse word then here are a ton. If it's about taunting.....he didn't any more than every player on every great play (reference McBee, after taking crap all pre-game and hitting his second 3, running back and shrugging at them) Now, what I still don't get is if you've gone back and LOOKED at the play. I can see him for almost every single second and unless he said for the ref's Mom to do something in a ventriloquist (sp?) voice, then it was a case of a kid being called out unjustifyably after an entire game full of taunting and cursing. If that is the case.....and it is.....then quit getting all pissy on the kid. He has a great attitude, busts his balls for the Vols and did NOTHING that doesn't happen all game EVERY game.Washpun doesn't deserve your sh** that you dished on him.....even if he said Hail Hitler, 'cuz if he did, he did it in a non-taunting way. Watch it yourself and quit siding with the worst officiating in the U.S[live].A. Watch the whole game.....taunting run amuck. What you are saying is that because he didn't get his number called until that (very pivotal) moment....NOT mop-up duty as you called it, but tapped for his defensive skills for that very moment and skill, then he somehow should instinctively know that he was going to be treated differently and get his balls busted for not knowing that fact. Silly really. Frankly, with the way that you are acting towards this kid I am glad that you didn't coach my kids. This whole thing and this post that I am responding to SMACKS of a "frontrunner/play favorites" type of attitude that, IMO, is the type of rec league-esque coaching from "wanna-be" parents that makes me kind of sick. LEAVE THE KID ALONE. STOP BUSTING ON HIM. He's a great kid/player/competiter and was in there because CCM thought that he gave the team the best chance to win and did nothing to deserve the ass chewing that several of ya'll gave him. WATCH THE PLAY. The ref never should have called that T at that moment for language in a game that is peppered with horrible language PLUS taunting. The player could not have known......AND, once again, it WAS NOT MOP UP duty. He was tapped for his skill at a particular, pivotal moment and deserved to be there and have equal treatment just as much as anybody on the floor.

Good Lord. How freakin' old are you? 12? Am I dealing with a mental case here? Where in the hell do you get that I'm busting on a kid for cussing? Are you that damn dense? You obviously missed the entire point.

All I'm saying is the kid needs to be smarter and not give a ref a chance to T him up that could've lost them the game. Any coach doesn't tolerate that. Why? Because it could cost them a win. That's the point not the cussing that you seemed to be all up in arms about.

I don't give two sh*ts if he cusses like a sailor. Just don't do something stupid to end up costing them the game after the other guys have busted their ass all game long. And if you think he wasn't in for mop up duty, well then, nothing else needs to be said. He played only in the last seconds, he has played a grand total of 38 minutes since SEC play began and hasn't even played in 6 SEC games.

 

[volbreaker]

The point is that you crawled the kid for doing the same thing everyone else does and there was no way he could know that he would get T'd up for such a ridiculous thing. He was in the game for no reason other than CCM wanted his defensive capabilities at a crucial moment when he wanted the best available defenders on the floor for the match-up presented....NOT to give him time. Simple really. Then he made a fantastic play and got a VERY shady call. In turn, you and others busted on a solid kid like he had grabbed his nuts at Billy or something. Watch the play. Ridiculous. Worse yet is you belittling him. That is what I'm saying.

 

[OrangeBalls]

The point is that you crawled the kid for doing the same thing everyone else does and there was no way he could know that he would get T'd up for such a ridiculous thing. He was in the game for no reason other than CCM wanted his defensive capabilities at a crucial moment when he wanted the best available defenders on the floor for the match-up presented....NOT to give him time. Simple really. Then he made a fantastic play and got a VERY shady call. In turn, you and others busted on a solid kid like he had grabbed his nuts at Billy or something. Watch the play. Ridiculous. Worse yet is you belittling him. That is what I'm saying.

If anyone is making this a bigger deal than what it is, it's you and the other poster. At the time Washpun got the T, anyone with half a brain thought you don't do that in that situation. You've got the game won and the only way Fla has a chance to win is if you do something stupid and Washpun did. End of story. If you think this is belittling then you are easily offended. You are confusing pointing out the obvious with belittling.

He's a freshman. He'll learn. If he doesn't, Martin will keep him buried on the bench like he has been for the majority of the year.

 

[volbreaker]

So, you think everyone that made a play in the game cussed down the opposing player? That's so absurd that I can't even believe you're trying to argue that.

Washpun played seconds in the game and you think he busted his ass? LMAO. Tell that to Maymon. He'd get a good laugh at that.

I don't give a damn who did what and where and how many times it has been done. He said something within earshot of the ref and got a T. Period. If you're going to do it, at least be smart and do it outside of the earshot of the ref or don't do it all. It's pretty damn simple really.

Not every play, but in a game where there was a ton of taunting and alot of mouthing a call like that at THAT point in the game was obsurd and there is no way Washpun could have known that he was endangering the "W" by whatever small thing he did. The ref should be called to task.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Not every play, but in a game where there was a ton of taunting and alot of mouthing a call like that at THAT point in the game was obsurd and there is no way Washpun could have known that he was endangering the "W" by whatever small thing he did. The ref should be called to task.

Maybe so, but refs make bad calls all game. Again, you don't give the ref the opportunity to make that call after you've been out of the game for 39 minutes. That's not smart basketball and it'll infuriate any coach. A coach will put up with hard fouls because of effort and giving a damn, but he'll be less than forgiving when it comes to mental errors.

When you're a role player, you need to know your role. Washpun will eventually or Martin won't tolerate it.

 

[volbreaker]

If anyone is making this a bigger deal than what it is, it's you and the other poster. At the time Washpun got the T, anyone with half a brain thought you don't do that in that situation. You've got the game won and the only way Fla has a chance to win is if you do something stupid and Washpun did. End of story. If you think this is belittling then you are easily offended. You are confusing pointing out the obvious with belittling.

He's a freshman. He'll learn. If he doesn't, Martin will keep him buried on the bench like he has been for the majority of the year.

.....and what DID he do? You are like a cat chasing it's tail. Was it cursing? Did he taunt? Have you relooked at it? If he did anything then it was curse. If he was called for a curse word at that point in that game then I take issue. It HAD to be a cuss word because there was nothing else and he didn't even do that in a taunting way. Explain to me what you saw. NOTHING. Ergo, it HAD to be a curse word. If so, then that is obsurd. On top of that, to be called out by fans for a "T" for something so benign that it can't even be seen is doubly bad. Capish?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

.....and what DID he do? You are like a cat chasing it's tail. Was it cursing? Did he taunt? Have you relooked at it? If he did anything then it was curse. If he was called for a curse word at that point in that game then I take issue. It HAD to be a cuss word because there was nothing else and he didn't even do that in a taunting way. Explain to me what you saw. NOTHING. Ergo, it HAD to be a curse word. If so, then that is obsurd. On top of that, to be called out by fans for a "T" for something so benign that it can't even be seen is doubly bad. Capish?

look NOT ME OR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE ON HERE knows what he said. maybe wes said yay and that was it, if thats the case the ref should be fired. but you know what maybe wes said, i packed your $hit like i packed the refs wifes....or suck that one like the refs momma did...im sure neither of these are likely either but as youve said YOU DONT KNOW WHAT HE SAID.

the point is he said something to really piss the ref off, he should have kept his mouth shut and not said anything at that point of the game. I GUARANTEE you the coach feels the exact same way too.

 

[OrangeBalls]

.....and what DID he do? You are like a cat chasing it's tail. Was it cursing? Did he taunt? Have you relooked at it? If he did anything then it was curse. If he was called for a curse word at that point in that game then I take issue. It HAD to be a cuss word because there was nothing else and he didn't even do that in a taunting way. Explain to me what you saw. NOTHING. Ergo, it HAD to be a curse word. If so, then that is obsurd. On top of that, to be called out by fans for a "T" for something so benign that it can't even be seen is doubly bad. Capish?

This is really pointless. You obviously think no UT player can do any wrong.

Whether the ref was right or wrong, whether Washpun said something or not, he got a T. You don't know WTF he said and I don't either. I read from the reporters that he cussed at Boynton so obviously the ref took exception to it. Maybe you need to go interview the ref since it has you so bothered.

 

[SCSmokey]

Enough of the slumber party catfight you damn Nancys!!

UT whipped dey azzz and you hens gonna spend your time bickering???

 

[RikidyBones]

Good Lord. How freakin' old are you? 12? Am I dealing with a mental case here? Where in the hell do you get that I'm busting on a kid for cussing? Are you that damn dense? You obviously missed the entire point.

All I'm saying is the kid needs to be smarter and not give a ref a chance to T him up that could've lost them the game. Any coach doesn't tolerate that. Why? Because it could cost them a win. That's the point not the cussing that you seemed to be all up in arms about.

I don't give two sh*ts if he cusses like a sailor. Just don't do something stupid to end up costing them the game after the other guys have busted their ass all game long. And if you think he wasn't in for mop up duty, well then, nothing else needs to be said. He played only in the last seconds, he has played a grand total of 38 minutes since SEC play began and hasn't even played in 6 SEC games.

You insulted Wes' intelligence and called him selfish. Riddle me this all knowing basketball guru... how could his tech cost us the game if it was mop up duty?

You are blowing the tech out of proportion. How has he not busted his ass? A basketball guru as you deem yourself should know he practices, works out, does film study, and prepares with the team. Please tell me why Maymon would laugh at someone saying Wes busts his ass for UT. I dont want to question your ..."basketball IQ". I do, however, want to question your logic.

 

[RikidyBones]

If anyone is making this a bigger deal than what it is, it's you and the other poster. At the time Washpun got the T, anyone with half a brain thought you don't do that in that situation. You've got the game won and the only way Fla has a chance to win is if you do something stupid and Washpun did. End of story. If you think this is belittling then you are easily offended. You are confusing pointing out the obvious with belittling.

He's a freshman. He'll learn. If he doesn't, Martin will keep him buried on the bench like he has been for the majority of the year.

Last time I checked i never insulted the kid. You did. That is the reason I am discussing this outrage with you.

 

[OrangeBalls]

You insulted Wes' intelligence and called him selfish. Riddle me this all knowing basketball guru... how could his tech cost us the game if it was mop up duty?

You are blowing the tech out of proportion. How has he not busted his ass? A basketball guru as you deem yourself should know he practices, works out, does film study, and prepares with the team. Please tell me why Maymon would laugh at someone saying Wes busts his ass for UT. I dont want to question your ..."basketball IQ". I do, however, want to question your logic.

Insulted his intelligence for calling him selfish? You are certifiable. My God, the homers on this board never cease to amaze.

If Washpun was needed before the last seconds of the game, he would've been in the game. The only reason he was in the game was because Tatum and McRae had fouled out. Even Martin probably figured someone wouldn't be so stupid to get a T where it could cost him the game, but Washpun was stupid enough to get a T.

Washpun entered the game after the 39th minute. I'm LMAO at you trying to reason that he had so much to do with that win. What a loon.