The Official Tennessee Titans thread IV

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#46,826
Berry4Heisman14 said:
Problem is who do the titans take if they get the first pick? Sanders seems risky. Cam ward seems like the most sure thing imo
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Outside of Sanders there's not a great option..... And I'm out on Sanders just because of the baggage he would bring. But I could live with his arm talent.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
People keep saying there are holes all over the roster. Do any of these guys brought in under Carthon fill any of those holes?

Peter Skoronski
Will Levis
Tyjae Spears
Josh Whyle
Jaelyn Duncan
Colton Dowell
JC Latham
T'Vondre Sweat
Cedric Gray
Jarvis Brownlee Jr
Jha'Quan Jackson
James Williams
Jaylen Harrell
Mason Rudolph
Tony Pollard
Tyler Boyd
Calvin Ridley
Lloyd Cushenberry
Saahdiq Charles - Retired
Kenneth Murray
Chidobe Awuzie
Jamal Adams - No Longer With Team
Sebastian Joseph-Day
Andre Dillard - No Longer With Team
Arden Key
Sean Murphy-Bunting - No Longer With Team
Daniel Brunskill
Azeez Al-Shaair - No Longer With Team
Luke Gifford - No Longer With Team

Brian Callahan and staff

I'm sure there are holes in this list. Just looking to find the positive contributors brought in by the current GM.
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This list (those still on the team) are largely non contrbutors, overdrafted, overpaid, or short term floor raisers (Boyd, for example).

Pollard, for example, is getting paid like a Top 10 RB. He's never been that. He was stuck behind a washed Zeke and struggled in his one year as lead back. Fine complimentary back. Not a top 10 guy.

Cushenberry is getting paid like he's a Top 3 center. He's in the 10-15 range. 3 below average years and one decent to good (but not elite) one. Good starter. Decent piece. But not worth the elite price tag.

Ridley had a good game today but he's getting paid like a Top 10 WR heading into age 30 season. Hasnt got league average separation since 2020. Again, good receiver but he hasnt probably ever been Top 10 at his position and if he was, it was 4-5 yrs ago.

You drafted a LG at 11. To justify that for a LG, he better be a perennial All Pro. Skoronski will be a decent to good pro but he hasnt flashed that high end level yet.

Even when the holes have been filled, its been a mixed bag at best...
 
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Volfan1000 said:
Does the board think that the Titans would be better if they had a new owner?
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2 win Jets - nepo owner
2 win Raiders - nepo owner
2 win Browns - nepo owner
1 win Titans - nepo owner
2 win Jags (Tony is essentially running - nepo)
2 win Giants - nepo owner
2 win Saints - spouse

All of these are considered poorly run franchises. Add in the Chargers and Colts, which are considered poorly run, are nepo owner. Of the poor franchise, only the Panthers have a self made guy running it.....
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
2 win Jets - nepo owner
2 win Raiders - nepo owner
2 win Browns - nepo owner
1 win Titans - nepo owner
2 win Jags (Tony is essentially running - nepo)
2 win Giants - nepo owner
2 win Saints - spouse

All of these are considered poorly run franchises. Add in the Chargers and Colts, which are considered poorly run, are nepo owner. Of the poor franchise, only the Panthers have a self made guy running it.....
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And the Panthers organization is considered the worst run franchise in the league.

The owner isn't the problem.
 
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KB5252 said:
And the Panthers organization is considered the worst run franchise in the league.

The owner isn't the problem.
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9/10 is one way and you harp on the exception.

Of the 10 worst losingiest franchises since 2014 (of which Titans are one), 8 of 10 are nepo owners. The other 2 are Daniel Synder and the Panthers....

Only 2 seasons with 10+ wins in a league with an even playing field.

Sometimes you are what your numbers say you are....
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
9/10 is one way and you harp on the exception.

Of the 10 worst losingiest franchises since 2014 (of which Titans are one), 8 of 10 are nepo owners. The other 2 are Daniel Synder and the Panthers....

Only 2 seasons with 10+ wins in a league with an even playing field.

Sometimes you are what your numbers say you are....
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Some of the best teams in the league in that timeframe are among the winningest with "nepo" ownership.

It's a flawed argument at best.

The issue isn't ownership.
 
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KB5252 said:
You know what makes good teams good and great teams great.......QB's

The issue isn't the owner.
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Exactly. Look at the Redskins (they'll always be the Redskins to me) and Texans. Really, really bad for a decade or more, finally hit on a QB in the draft and within 1 season they are contenders. That's really all it takes.
 
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KB5252 said:
You know what makes good teams good and great teams great.......QB's

The issue isn't the owner.
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What if the only reason Levis was drafted, was because of the owner? There is a draft video of her jumping up down all giddy when they traded up to draft Levis. In that video you could see in that video Vrabel wanted no part of it.

The owner also fired Robinson in the middle of the season while the Titans were still fighting for a playoff spot, all because her family pride was hurt when some Philly fans was ragging on them during the Eagles game. It has been all downhill since than.
 
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loservol said:
What if the only reason Levis was drafted, was because of the owner? There is a draft video of her jumping up down all giddy when they traded up to draft Levis. In that video you could see in that video Vrabel wanted no part of it.

The owner also fired Robinson in the middle of the season while the Titans were still fighting for a playoff spot, all because her family pride was hurt when some Philly fans was ragging on them during the Eagles game. It has been all downhill since than.
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Vrabel convinced her to fire Robinson..... And for good cause. Then Vrabel tried to consolidate his power over the team and make personnel decisions..... That was a mistake Amy allowed to happen.....

As for Levis maybe she was completely on board, maybe it was unanimous between GM and her. I don't know, it really doesn't matter because Levis is out at this point, we know he isn't the future, and so does she.
 
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loservol said:
What if the only reason Levis was drafted, was because of the owner? There is a draft video of her jumping up down all giddy when they traded up to draft Levis. In that video you could see in that video Vrabel wanted no part of it.

The owner also fired Robinson in the middle of the season while the Titans were still fighting for a playoff spot, all because her family pride was hurt when some Philly fans was ragging on them during the Eagles game. It has been all downhill since than.
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Maybe that GM shouldn't have culminated a series of terrible personnel decisions by trading Brown. It's selective outrage at best to suggest it was the owner that caused the downhill slide vs the GM.
 
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I'm going to go with the powers that were at the time all did their part to eff it up. As an example they had a dominating, freak of nature, future HOF RB and over several seasons allowed the O-line to turn into swiss cheese. That is incompetence at the org level.

Which leads to the conclusion that the current powers that be are on a different flight pattern that may lead to the same destination if they do not make radical changes in what they are currently doing and who they are doing it with.

It should be obvious to all that they are electing to burn it down and start over with the core they believe in. This season is a try out for the future. We know players are being moved and more will be let go. Assistant coaches will be let go. The only question I have is whether the current GM and coach ing staff are the ones to get it done. I see the ST coach is still working there today as an example. That's an indicator. Anderson is a buddy of Cally's from Cincy. So loyalty over performance at this stage is still a factor.

But if Will Levis is in their plans for the future I already know the answer.
 
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Vols4us said:
I'm going to go with the powers that were at the time all did their part to eff it up. As an example they had a dominating, freak of nature, future HOF RB and over several seasons allowed the O-line to turn into swiss cheese. That is incompetence at the org level.

Which leads to the conclusion that the current powers that be are on a different flight pattern that may lead to the same destination if they do not make radical changes in what they are currently doing and who they are doing it with.

It should be obvious to all that they are electing to burn it down and start over with the core they believe in. This season is a try out for the future. We know players are being moved and more will be let go. Assistant coaches will be let go. The only question I have is whether the current GM and coach ing staff are the ones to get it done. I see the ST coach is still working there today as an example. That's an indicator. Anderson is a buddy of Cally's from Cincy. So loyalty over performance at this stage is still a factor.

But if Will Levis is in their plans for the future I already know the answer.
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I'm perplexed that the ST coach is still there as well...... But let's be honest, the issue isn't likely coaching, it's the way this roster was built. It was mentioned here even when the final roster came out. Firing the ST coach would be symbolic, not really a move to change trajectory of that unit. I just don't think the roster was built with special teams in mind.

Levis has the tangible traits you look for in a QB, he doesn't seem to have great understanding of the pro game and defenses. He doesn't seem to have the quick processing power either.

I could still see a scenario where Levis goes elsewhere and is a serviceable to maybe good QB. I think the combination of rookie QB and rookie HC and play caller was a really bad combination. It's hard to truly effectively evaluate either right now.
 
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I want us to trade down in the draft if at all possible. I'd like to sure up the O line.

If they don't trade down, one outside the box idea I have, take the best WR available. Hitting on an Elite WR would be huge for moving forward.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I want us to trade down in the draft if at all possible. I'd like to sure up the O line.

If they don't trade down, one outside the box idea I have, take the best WR available. Hitting on an Elite WR would be huge for moving forward.
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I think trade back is the way to go, you can still pick up a right tackle late in the first.

If not WR or edge rusher is the right choice picking as high as we are expected. I don't think our offensive roster is where it needs to be to be picking a QB this year.
 
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KB5252 said:
I think trade back is the way to go, you can still pick up a right tackle late in the first.

If not WR or edge rusher is the right choice picking as high as we are expected. I funny think our offensive roster is where it needs to be to be picking a QB this year.
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So. Before the season I was all the way out on Sanders. I was watching him last week tho and I can see the talent there, but I don't see him coming to a market like Nashville. I actually see them throwing a fit like Eli did about Carolina too. I think Sanders lands in Vegas.


I could see Ran going edge at 5. Where he came from (San Fran) did that a few years ago just kep drafting pass rushers. They had a nasty group with Buckner, Armstead, Bosa and Greenlaw.
 
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KB5252 said:
I'm perplexed that the ST coach is still there as well...... But let's be honest, the issue isn't likely coaching, it's the way this roster was built. It was mentioned here even when the final roster came out. Firing the ST check would be symbolic, not really a move to change trajectory of that unit.

Levis has the tangible taints you look for in a QB, he doesn't seem to have great understanding of the pro game and defenses. He doesn't seem to have the quick processing power either.

I could still see a scenario where Levis goes elsewhere and is a serviceable to maybe good QB. I think the combination of rookie QB and rookie HC and play caller was a really bad combination. It's hard to truly effectively evaluate either right now.
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The org could have changed that later point and passed. That is a top down decision.

Levis is a poor man's Josh Allen, and Josh Allen is not noted for his decision making either. The WR's do not want their careers limited by Levis. The O-line does not know what he is going to do or how he will react. Nobody does.

I get that Ran and Cally are using a patient management style. I wish them good luck with that. But the ST play is on Ran and Cally. They could change it today. Their coaches, their players. Not the fault of the previous regime or ownership.
 
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