The Official Tennessee Titans thread IV

[KB5252]

The org could have changed that later point and passed. That is a top down decision.

Levis is a poor man's Josh Allen, and Josh Allen is not noted for his decision making either. The WR's do not want their careers limited by Levis. The O-line does not know what he is going to do or how he will react. Nobody does.

I get that Ran and Cally are using a patient management style. I wish them good luck with that. But the ST play is on Ran and Cally. They could change it today. Their coaches, their players. Not the fault of the previous regime or ownership.

Actually it is both, on past front office and current, when you burn draft capital you aren't able to draft, develop and sign ST players because you are constantly chasing positions of need on O and D.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

2 win Jets - nepo owner
2 win Raiders - nepo owner
2 win Browns - nepo owner
1 win Titans - nepo owner
2 win Jags (Tony is essentially running - nepo)
2 win Giants - nepo owner
2 win Saints - spouse

All of these are considered poorly run franchises. Add in the Chargers and Colts, which are considered poorly run, are nepo owner. Of the poor franchise, only the Panthers have a self made guy running it.....

Aren't the Chiefs and Lions "nepo owner" franchises too? I'm not sure I can buy that JUST having a nepo owner makes a franchise fail.

It might be a factor but not the only factor.

 

[zjcvols]

Aren't the Chiefs and Lions "nepo owner" franchises too? I'm not sure I can buy that JUST having a nepo owner makes a franchise fail.

It might be a factor but not the only factor.

Clark Hunt and Sheila Ford-Hamp both are.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Clark Hunt and Sheila Ford-Hamp both are.

The Lions have been nepo owned since 1964. Not sure this is helping your case. Id suspect Hamp is much less involved than WCF and they finally got the upswing right after multiple top 10 picks. Sometimes being completely hands off is much better than the owner being a defacto GM like a Stephen Jones, Tony Khan, Mark Davis, Dean Spanos, Haslam, or WCF.....

The Chiefs and Steelers are obvious exceptions...

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Personally, I do not think the owner is the problem. With that being said, she hasnt proved she isnt a problem either.....

 

[05_never_again]

I evaluated Levis after watching a couple of UT UK games and have been right every since.

I still haven't quite figured out why NFL GMs thought he was so good. Perhaps they thought he was a poor man's Josh Allen? College stats that don't exactly jump off the page, but he's big, tall, tough, and has a good arm?

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I still haven't quite figured out why NFL GMs thought he was so good. Perhaps they thought he was a poor man's Josh Allen? College stats that don't exactly jump off the page, but he's big, tall, tough, and has a good arm?

To quote Braelon Allen..... They were a fan of the underwear olympics.

 

[loservol]

I still haven't quite figured out why NFL GMs thought he was so good. Perhaps they thought he was a poor man's Josh Allen? College stats that don't exactly jump off the page, but he's big, tall, tough, and has a good arm?

The rest of the league probably had him pegged as a 3rd or 4th round pick and maybe eventually a career backup QB.

 

[zjcvols]

The Lions have been nepo owned since 1964. Not sure this is helping your case. Id suspect Hamp is much less involved than WCF and they finally got the upswing right after multiple top 10 picks. Sometimes being completely hands off is much better than the owner being a defacto GM like a Stephen Jones, Tony Khan, Mark Davis, Dean Spanos, Haslam, or WCF.....
The Chiefs and Steelers are obvious exceptions...

WCF bought the team in 1963. He was not a "nepo" owner. By "nepo" I assume you mean someone who inherited the team and did not buy them. Sheila Ford-Hamp inherited the team.

And it's actually the opposite. WCF was very hands off, hence why the Lions let guys like Matt Millen run the team for 6+ years. Sheila has been very hands on and hired Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell directly. She was specifically groomed to take over (ownership actually went to Martha Firestone-Ford until 2020 so Sheila could learn the ins and outs of being an NFL owner) and also has given up almost all her business endeavors to be involved with the team. She doesn't make any personnel decisions, but she's involved significantly.

 

[zjcvols]

I still haven't quite figured out why NFL GMs thought he was so good. Perhaps they thought he was a poor man's Josh Allen? College stats that don't exactly jump off the page, but he's big, tall, tough, and has a good arm?

At least Levis fell to the 2nd round and you didn't waste any significant assets on him.

Richardson was an absolute colossal failure of a pick. Cannot believe he went 4th.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

WCF bought the team in 1963. He was not a "nepo" owner. By "nepo" I assume you mean someone who inherited the team and did not buy them. Sheila Ford-Hamp inherited the team.

And it's actually the opposite. WCF was very hands off, hence why the Lions let guys like Matt Millen run the team for 6+ years. Sheila has been very hands on and hired Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell directly. She was specifically groomed to take over (ownership actually went to Martha Firestone-Ford until 2020 so Sheila could learn the ins and outs of being an NFL owner) and also has given up almost all her business endeavors to be involved with the team. She doesn't make any personnel decisions, but she's involved significantly.

Nepo is someone who was born into extreme wealth, which WCF clearly falls into...

Thanks for the clarification on some of it but the narrative around the Millen hire was to get the Fords out of the day to day as the long-term GM prior to that (Schmidt) was a beancounter that was just an extension of the Fords...

 

[zjcvols]

Nepo is someone who was born into extreme wealth, which WCF clearly falls into...

Thanks for the clarification on some of it but the narrative around the Millen hire was to get the Fords out of the day to day as the long-term GM prior to that (Schmidt) was a beancounter that was just an extension of the Fords...

I see what you're saying now. WCF definitely counts.

William definitely didn't open the pocketbook for a looonnngggg time.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Aren't the Chiefs and Lions "nepo owner" franchises too? I'm not sure I can buy that JUST having a nepo owner makes a franchise fail.

It might be a factor but not the only factor.

Chiefs were mediocre for years until they got lucky and drafted Mahomes. And we all know what the Lions were before the signed Goff.

QB is what matters most.

 

[YankeeVol]

Chiefs were mediocre for years until they got lucky and drafted Mahomes. And we all know what the Lions were before the signed Goff.

QB is what matters most.

QB matters immensely, but so do owners (Jones, Snyder, etc).

 

[TrueOrange]

2 win Jets - nepo owner
2 win Raiders - nepo owner
2 win Browns - nepo owner
1 win Titans - nepo owner
2 win Jags (Tony is essentially running - nepo)
2 win Giants - nepo owner
2 win Saints - spouse

All of these are considered poorly run franchises. Add in the Chargers and Colts, which are considered poorly run, are nepo owner. Of the poor franchise, only the Panthers have a self made guy running it.....

9/10 is one way and you harp on the exception.

Of the 10 worst losingiest franchises since 2014 (of which Titans are one), 8 of 10 are nepo owners. The other 2 are Daniel Synder and the Panthers....

Only 2 seasons with 10+ wins in a league with an even playing field.

Sometimes you are what your numbers say you are....

Your stats and information are skewed. A lot of the teams in this league are “nepo” owners / family ownerships and you’re leaving off a lot of them. Along with those you mentioned:

-The Cardinals are owned by Michael Bidwell, who inherited the team from his father (one of the team founders) in 2019

-The Bears are owned by Virginia Halas McCaskey, who inherited the team from her father (the team founder) in 1983.

-The Bengals are owned by Michael Brown, who inherited the team from his father (one of the team founders) in 1991.

-The Lions are owned by Sheila Ford Hamp, who inherited the team from her family (the Ford Family, the family that founded the team).

-The Texans are owned by Cal McNair, who inherited/took over for his father (the team founder) when he was diagnosed with cancer in 2013 and passed away in 2018.

-The Chiefs are owned by Clark Hunt, who inherited the team from his father (the team founder) in 2006.

-The Steelers are owned by Art Rooney II, who inherited it from his father in 2017 (not to mention his father and grandfather both had been owners, with the latter having been the team’s founder).

-The 49ers are owned by Denise Debartolo York and her son John York, both of whom inherited/were given the team from her brother Edward (following just a whole mess of legal matters on his end).

-The Seahawks are owned by Jody Allen, who inherited the team from her brother in 2018.

-The Buccaneers are owned by Bryan Glazer (really the whole Glazer family), who inherited the team from his father in 2014.


And that’s not even getting into the nepotism the others had up until what in the history of the league would be considered relatively recently (for example, the Falcons)…
Also the Jets and Browns aren’t nepotism owners: the Jets were bought by brothers from a previous/prior owner in 2000 and the Browns were bought by spouses in 2012. (And the Giants have 2 owners not one, granted they are both “nepo” owners, as you would say)

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Chiefs were mediocre for years until they got lucky and drafted Mahomes. And we all know what the Lions were before the signed Goff.

QB is what matters most.

I think hanging the success primarily on the QB or the owner or GM is not accurate. It takes a lot of pieces working in sync to win in the NFL.

An owner like Jerry Jones is too involved and should give up a lot of control because he's not a very good football decision maker.

A QB like Burrow who is pretty good could be behind a trash O Line and spend a season getting killed. I think he did.

Failure can come from a lot of places in football.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Your stats and information are skewed. A lot of the teams in this league are “nepo” owners / family ownerships and you’re leaving off a lot of them. Along with those you mentioned:

-The Cardinals are owned by Michael Bidwell, who inherited the team from his father (one of the team founders) in 2019

-The Bears are owned by Virginia Halas McCaskey, who inherited the team from her father (the team founder) in 1983.

-The Bengals are owned by Michael Brown, who inherited the team from his father (one of the team founders) in 1991.

-The Lions are owned by Sheila Ford Hamp, who inherited the team from her family (the Ford Family, the family that founded the team).

-The Texans are owned by Cal McNair, who inherited/took over for his father (the team founder) when he was diagnosed with cancer in 2013 and passed away in 2018.

-The Chiefs are owned by Clark Hunt, who inherited the team from his father (the team founder) in 2006.

-The Steelers are owned by Art Rooney II, who inherited it from his father in 2017 (not to mention his father and grandfather both had been owners, with the latter having been the team’s founder).

-The 49ers are owned by Denise Debartolo York and her son John York, both of whom inherited/were given the team from her brother Edward (following just a whole mess of legal matters on his end).

-The Seahawks are owned by Jody Allen, who inherited the team from her brother in 2018.

-The Buccaneers are owned by Bryan Glazer (really the whole Glazer family), who inherited the team from his father in 2014.


And that’s not even getting into the nepotism the others had up until what in the history of the league would be considered relatively recently (for example, the Falcons)…
Also the Jets and Browns aren’t nepotism owners: the Jets were bought by brothers from a previous/prior owner in 2000 and the Browns were bought by spouses in 2012. (And the Giants have 2 owners not one, granted they are both “nepo” owners, as you would say)

Since you are misconstruing my posts, I clearly defined nepo owner as someone who inherited the team or vast amounts of wealth. My thesis is people who have never had to work for and run anything in their life wouldnt know how to run a football franchise. The owner of the Browns got his wealth from his dad and ripping off truckers. The Jets are grandkids of Johnson and Johnson.

Since Bud passed away, 12 of the 14 worst franchises have been inherited or run by heirs of multi billion dollar businesses. The other 2 were guys who thought they were GMs (Tepper and Snyder).

Of the 11 most successful teams in that timeframe, 2 were Steelers and Chiefs. Rooneys and Hunts are the exception to the rule. 2 were widows who took over from first-generation uber wealthy spouses in 2018 (both teams have declined since then btw) and the rest was from owners who created vast majority of their own wealth.

 

[loservol]

If the Titans was sold right now, the team would probably be bought by a group of investors. That would take care of the nepotism, because no one investor would have total control of the team. I could see someone like Peyton or maybe even Dolly owning a small part of the team.

 

[Vol8188]

People keep saying there are holes all over the roster. Do any of these guys brought in under Carthon fill any of those holes?

Peter Skoronski
Will Levis
Tyjae Spears
Josh Whyle
Jaelyn Duncan
Colton Dowell
JC Latham
T'Vondre Sweat
Cedric Gray
Jarvis Brownlee Jr
Jha'Quan Jackson
James Williams
Jaylen Harrell
Mason Rudolph
Tony Pollard
Tyler Boyd
Calvin Ridley
Lloyd Cushenberry
Saahdiq Charles - Retired
Kenneth Murray
Chidobe Awuzie
Jamal Adams - No Longer With Team
Sebastian Joseph-Day
Andre Dillard - No Longer With Team
Arden Key
Sean Murphy-Bunting - No Longer With Team
Daniel Brunskill
Azeez Al-Shaair - No Longer With Team
Luke Gifford - No Longer With Team

Brian Callahan and staff

I'm sure there are holes in this list. Just looking to find the positive contributors brought in by the current GM.

That list is full of guys who have produced. Key, Sweat, Pollard, and Spears being some good examples.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

That list is full of guys who have produced. Key, Sweat, Pollard, and Spears being some good examples.

Latham has looked pretty solid

 

[Vol8188]

Latham has looked pretty solid

Decent for a rookie. As long as he continues to develop

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Since you are misconstruing my posts, I clearly defined nepo owner as someone who inherited the team or vast amounts of wealth. My thesis is people who have never had to work for and run anything in their life wouldnt know how to run a football franchise. The owner of the Browns got his wealth from his dad and ripping off truckers. The Jets are grandkids of Johnson and Johnson.

Since Bud passed away, 12 of the 14 worst franchises have been inherited or run by heirs of multi billion dollar businesses. The other 2 were guys who thought they were GMs (Tepper and Snyder).

Of the 11 most successful teams in that timeframe, 2 were Steelers and Chiefs. Rooneys and Hunts are the exception to the rule. 2 were widows who took over from first-generation uber wealthy spouses in 2018 (both teams have declined since then btw) and the rest was from owners who created vast majority of their own wealth.

The Chiefs have declined? Maybe I interpreted that wrong. Must have, because Chiefs might be the very best franchise in the sport

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I think hanging the success primarily on the QB or the owner or GM is not accurate. It takes a lot of pieces working in sync to win in the NFL.

An owner like Jerry Jones is too involved and should give up a lot of control because he's not a very good football decision maker.

A QB like Burrow who is pretty good could be behind a trash O Line and spend a season getting killed. I think he did.

Failure can come from a lot of places in football.

Burrow also led a team to the Super Bowl with OL injuries

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

The Chiefs have declined? Maybe I interpreted that wrong. Must have, because Chiefs might be the very best franchise in the sport

No, will admit it was poorly worded. For the 11 most successful teams since Bud Adams died.

The Steelers and Chiefs were run by heirs who inherited teams.

The Saints and Seahawks were purchaed by 1st generation wealth and the widows took over in 2018 (Both teams have declined since then. This is who I was referring to)

The other teams were run by owners who did not inherit great wealth.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Burrow also led a team to the Super Bowl with OL injuries

Where he took about 7-8 sacks in a loss. To be sure Burrow is great under pressure but no team has long-term success without the trenches and the secondary being good.

Look at GA. No one would call Stetson Bennett a generational QB but he got two championships in college. He's not a bad QB by any means but he was not the big cog GA's machine.