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#226
#226
If you take CBJ at face value it's a 4 horse race. I still say he doesn't see what he wants in Worley but he'll start.
 
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DD4ME said:
If you take CBJ at face value it's a 4 horse race. I still say he doesn't see what he wants in Worley but he'll start.
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Good coaches are never satisfied. A four horse race... still has a leader. We do not know by how much... but that leader based on #1 reps appears to be Worley.

I cannot think of any reason you would give most of the #1 reps to a guy both in the spring and fall unless he was your leading candidate to start.

IMO, Peterson is fighting to be #2 right now based on how most of his fall reps have come with the 2's.
 
#228
#228
I understand your philosophy. I agree Worley for now is the leader and I stated that. I just think there is a differing end game.
 
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DD4ME said:
I understand your philosophy. I agree Worley for now is the leader and I stated that. I just think there is a differing end game.
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All this "change QB's throughout the season" talk is strange to me. It seems like people are almost hoping for it. I hope everyone on here realizes that having to change QB's in mid-season is a very very bad thing, and usually means we are doing poorly.
 
#230
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DD4ME said:
I understand your philosophy. I agree Worley for now is the leader and I stated that. I just think there is a differing end game.
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I'm honestly not sure what happens as it goes along. I will be surprised if the #2 QB does not get PT with the 1's that is not mop up. I will not be completely surprised if there are "co-starters" at the beginning of the season though it is somewhat unlikely.

I won't be surprised if Worley plays well and starts all year... nor if someone catches and passes him.

I am fairly certain he has fought off the challenges. I think those challenges were in part designed to make him a QB that can hand the pressure of the season if he could hang on to the job. In that respect, I think his chances of being the starter all year were enhanced by the open competition that made him earn the position. Again... I think Jones did all this by design... in part because he said he was going to before spring ball started.
 
#231
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chatt-townVOL said:
All this "change QB's throughout the season" talk is strange to me. It seems like people are almost hoping for it. I hope everyone on here realizes that having to change QB's in mid-season is a very very bad thing, and usually means we are doing poorly.
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Some are hoping for it. But like you... I really do not understand why.
 
#233
#233
The problem with guys with a big arm (Bray - don't know about Peterman yet) is that they too often try to force the ball in places it won't go when the check down for 6 yards and a 1st down was there for the taking (Bray X10). If any of these QB's can make all the throws (route tree), get the play called, get the team lined up right and in the right play, and doesn't LOSE the game (Bray USCe + Georgia) then we have who I want to start and I don't care what his name is and what class he's in.
 
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1974Vol said:
The problem with guys with a big arm (Bray - don't know about Peterman yet) is that they too often try to force the ball in places it won't go when the check down for 6 yards and a 1st down was there for the taking (Bray X10). If any of these QB's can make all the throws (route tree), get the play called, get the team lined up right and in the right play, and doesn't LOSE the game (Bray USCe + Georgia) then we have who I want to start and I don't care what his name is and what class he's in.
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Really?? Other than that I agree with you
 
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ETNRIDER said:
Really?? Other than that I agree with you
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Clowney got the sack and credit - Tiny got the blame but in that situation the QB needs to "feel the backside pressure" and either get rid of the ball or secure it and take the sack without fumbling the game away. Don't get me wrong I thought Bray had a lot of talent and I wish him well in the NFL but in the biggest moments he came up "snake eyes".:ermm:
 
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xXRockyTopXx said:
Care to elaborate?
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For me sending a true freshman gunslinger out there at 175 lbs inthe SEC.spells turnovers. With this team you can't afford those mistakes. There are too many swing games and this defense hasn't proven it can get the ball back. To send those seniors out like that would set a bad precedent. UNLESS Worley just stinks it up. In my humble opinion.
 
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#237
By the way as long as we are talking QB's, my Avi picture is my grandson who came out of the spring as Stanford's 2nd team QB behind Kevin Hogan. He was running 3rd until Nunes (sp?) tore his bicep. He got a lot more reps after that and had a great spring. Anyway enough bragging.:peace2:
 
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1974Vol said:
By the way as long as we are talking QB's, my Avi picture is my grandson who came out of the spring as Stanford's 2nd team QB behind Kevin Hogan. He was running 3rd until Nunes (sp?) tore his bicep. He got a lot more reps after that and had a great spring. Anyway enough bragging.:peace2:
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Actually that's pretty cool. I'm feeling that Stanford squad this season so brag on.
 
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1974Vol said:
The problem with guys with a big arm (Bray - don't know about Peterman yet) is that they too often try to force the ball in places it won't go when the check down for 6 yards and a 1st down was there for the taking (Bray X10). If any of these QB's can make all the throws (route tree), get the play called, get the team lined up right and in the right play, and doesn't LOSE the game (Bray USCe + Georgia) then we have who I want to start and I don't care what his name is and what class he's in.
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Bray didn't check down because a) he hated Dooley and b) he hated Dooley.

That's a fact jack. Tifwiw
 
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1974Vol said:
By the way as long as we are talking QB's, my Avi picture is my grandson who came out of the spring as Stanford's 2nd team QB behind Kevin Hogan. He was running 3rd until Nunes (sp?) tore his bicep. He got a lot more reps after that and had a great spring. Anyway enough bragging.:peace2:
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Congrats to him. I'm sure the whole family is proud.
 
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#241
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chatt-townVOL said:
All this "change QB's throughout the season" talk is strange to me. It seems like people are almost hoping for it. I hope everyone on here realizes that having to change QB's in mid-season is a very very bad thing, and usually means we are doing poorly.
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I'm not hoping for it at all. I hope Worley has an all SEC year. My personal opinion is really based on 2 basic things.

1. Most good SEC QB's set themselves apart the moment they get playing time. Even if their team is bad you can see they are a gamer.

IMO Bray was not above a benching on at least a couple of occasions. Also Worley did play and start. I do not think he achieved point 1.

2. Most good Jr SEC QB's have no issue making it deadly obvious who the clear choice for starter is.

IMO he's not done point 2 in any of the things fans could watch or read.

Now you can dissect those 2 points 100 different ways. You can say Worley did ok when he played. You can say his first team reps means he really is the clear leader and this is a ruse by Butch to get more. Those all could be "possible" but I see nothing in either category that tells me Worley will be good/great this season. Serviceable in a Jonathan Crompton sort of way, maybe.
 
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#242
One thing sticks in my mind more than any. Worley came in and his first battle was to win playing time against the first UT QB to lose agains KY in 25 years. During that time Bray never had a signature SEC win and had at least 2 very forgettable losses. The only time Worley ever played is when he absolutely had to or when it didn't matter. No one can convince me Dooley didn't want to bench Bray once or twice if he had any belief at all that he could. He never did except Vandy when it was already over.
 
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#243
#243
Seems fair to say that none of these guys has wowed the coaches. If Worley were really impressive, he would have been named starter by now. He sounds like our version of Alex Smith--not exceptional but might manage the unit better than the others, with fewer mistakes. We'll surely see at least 2 playing in early games and maybe 3. Then we can all really argue!
 
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DD4ME said:
You can say his first team reps means he really is the clear leader and this is a ruse by Butch to get more. Those all could be "possible" but I see nothing in either category that tells me Worley will be good/great this season. Serviceable in a Jonathan Crompton sort of way, maybe.
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Not even close to a ruse. Jones promised an open competition. He gave the players an open competition. We do not know who has been the best performer for sure. The only tangible thing we do have is that as each of the other three has gotten reps with the 1's... Worley has gotten more, gotten them first, and the #1 reps have never been shared between two of the others with Worley running with the 2's.

That suggests directly that Worley DID separate himself from Peterman in the spring and Jones has given each of the others a chance to close the gap and over take him. I think you read WAY too much into Jones' deliberate process. It does not have to be a statement about Worley at all.

FWIW... if I were Jones, I'd want Peterman or Dobbs to overtake Worley. Mobility gives you an extra element. But if he does the other things better then he has to get the first shot.
 
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armchair said:
Seems fair to say that none of these guys has wowed the coaches. If Worley were really impressive, he would have been named starter by now.
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No. He wouldn't. Jones said the Fr would get their shot in the fall. He said that in March. Peterman got his shot in spring. It would have been completely contradictory for Jones to say he was going to hold a real open competition then name a starter before that competition was complete with everyone getting their shot. The message that speaks loudest right now is that Worley has been the guy the others have been making a run at. So while Jones has not said he was the starter.... he has been the #1 guy. Actions speak louder than words, right? I definitely think the competition was real. It just does not seem that any of the others has been able to knock Worley out.

That said, Jones indicates there will be one more pressure test today and tomorrow. Worley could still be passed.



Unless one of the Fr are in the two deep, they will not burn their RS's barring injury.
 
#246
#246
DD4ME said:
One thing sticks in my mind more than any. Worley came in and his first battle was to win playing time against the first UT QB to lose agains KY in 25 years. During that time Bray never had a signature SEC win and had at least 2 very forgettable losses. The only time Worley ever played is when he absolutely had to or when it didn't matter. No one can convince me Dooley didn't want to bench Bray once or twice if he had any belief at all that he could. He never did except Vandy when it was already over.
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I am not sure Dooley had the gumption to bench Bray. FWIW, Bray was extraordinary before the injury. Dooley was likely thinking that he would get that back any time during those last two games. This argument does not help your case.
 
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I bounce back and forth in who i think will step up and lead, just believe that some folks are natural born leaders and some are not. Regardless of talent, i have never seen Worley carry himself as a leader. Can he lead?
 
#249
#249
sjt18 said:
Not even close to a ruse. Jones promised an open competition. He gave the players an open competition. We do not know who has been the best performer for sure. The only tangible thing we do have is that as each of the other three has gotten reps with the 1's... Worley has gotten more, gotten them first, and the #1 reps have never been shared between two of the others with Worley running with the 2's.

That suggests directly that Worley DID separate himself from Peterman in the spring and Jones has given each of the others a chance to close the gap and over take him. I think you read WAY too much into Jones' deliberate process. It does not have to be a statement about Worley at all.

FWIW... if I were Jones, I'd want Peterman or Dobbs to overtake Worley. Mobility gives you an extra element. But if he does the other things better then he has to get the first shot.
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I'm just stating my view of things. Certainly I don't know the inner workings none of us can. I can respect you see it differently. What is consistent for me though is that in no practice notes/summaries, leaks, o&w game, open practice, etc has Worley ever set himself apart. You say 1st team reps is what sets him apart, maybe so but I don't see it. I didn't see it in Worley in the games he played either. If he can be like Crompton and win enough maybe beat a USC type then good enough/great. We'll see soon.
 
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