The Official "When will the Schedule be Out" thread

[Shaun1985]

I agree. We probably won't be happy and end up shafted but I remember reading about how the SEC schedule was already done when they got rid of the East / West stuff. I would think A&M would be Arky but have no idea who Mizzou is going to lay claims too.

 

[TrueOrange]

I agree. We probably won't be happy and end up shafted but I remember reading about how the SEC schedule was already done when they got rid of the East / West stuff. I would think A&M would be Arky but have no idea who Mizzou is going to lay claims too.

really? I would think the basketball pairing would be Missouri and Arkansas.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Disagree.

That's what hurt us IMO.

If you lose those games like we dd with some this year then you have to win almost all you others.

If we could trade both Memphis games, Pitt and the duke game, for 4 average wins we'd be dancing right now IMO.

If you schedule a lot of hard games it's good for your OOC rank, but if you lose all or most of them, you are in a bad spot.

Tell that to some of those 20+ win teams that did not make it. Schedule tough games and that is the way it is. We don't get there with just average joe's

It was the average joes and below average joes teams that also kept us out of the tournament this year.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Tell that to some of those 20+ win teams that did not make it. Schedule tough games and that is the way it is. We don't get there with just average joe's

It was the average joes and below average joes teams that also kept us out of the tournament this year.

Those that missed it were either mid majors sl they don't he the good conference SOS, Or they were like miss st and just fell apart.

So if we trade the 4 losses to Memphis, duke and Pitt for wins against decent teams you don't think we make the tournament?

21-10(10-6) ....yea we'd be in.

 

[im4davolsbaby]

mizzou, texas a&M?

 

[Scottyhop]

True.

But what happens in years like this that you lose a few of those?

My thought is that you can have a decent OOc rank, have a decent overall so because of the sec, and play decent teams OOC. Jmo

I guess what I'm saying is...it's easier to win the majority of your OOC games if they are against decent competition, than it is if 4 or 5 are against great teams and the others against decent and bad teams like this year

Jmo

This is loser thinking. Our goal should not be to make the tournament. It should be to win the tournament. The tougher your schedule the more prepared you will be when you make the tournament. When you play big games you get big time recruits. Top recruits don't want to play 15 games against Austin peay. You increase the visibility nation wide of your team and increase fan support. Yes one year you may miss the tourney because you have one too few wins. Big deal. Those years you most likely don't deserve to be in in the first place and would get bounced early anyways. This season was rare. We have a five star player come in half way through and had a brand new coach. If cuonzo schedules a bunch of cup cakes I will be furious.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

You are correct.

We should play a few marquee games, but IMO our whole OOC should not be spent against really good teams like Bruce liked to do.

Jmo though

 

[Scottyhop]

You are correct.

We should play a few marquee games, but IMO our whole OOC should not be spent against really good teams like Bruce liked to do.

Jmo though

Bruce usually played every single garbage team the state of Tennessee had to offer. We played plent of average teams under Bruce and still scheduled the big boys. I don't understand your argument. How was the schedule too tough this year? You get invited to maui you don't turn it down. Other than that we played Memphis ooc. That was the only other ranked game. Pitt missed nit and uconn was decent. Are schedule has been no wear near Michigan state like but also hasn't been a uf cupcake line. are SOS was always hig because Bruce scheduled decent mid majors. That usually inflated our rpi. These are all good ideas. Something teams like Michigan state have been doing for years.

 

[Incipient]

Here's something that I've always thought was a good idea and wondered why we didn't do it: a Christmas tour through the state's smaller schools.

We play ETSU, UTC, Tennessee Tech, UTM, etc in Knoxville in late December, and nobody's there. We play ETSU in the Mini-Dome in late December, and the whole damn thing will be filled to the brim with orange.

*We make money for other schools in the system.
*We have what is very likely a more energetic crowd than we would've in TBA (because getting the Vols is a rare treat in Johnson City, people in Knoxville have better things to do over Christmas, students gone, etc).
*We almost certainly still get a pro-UT crowd. I can't speak directly for UTC or UTM, but being from Johnson City, I know the Mini-Dome would be full of Vols.
*We get a chance to pad our overall road/neutral record against inferior opponents without actually going into a hostile gym (like Oakland)

Downside?

 

[zjcvols]

Here's something that I've always thought was a good idea and wondered why we didn't do it: a Christmas tour through the state's smaller schools.

We play ETSU, UTC, Tennessee Tech, UTM, etc in Knoxville in late December, and nobody's there. We play ETSU in the Mini-Dome in late December, and the whole damn thing will be filled to the brim with orange.

*We make money for other schools in the system.
*We have what is very likely a more energetic crowd than we would've in TBA (because getting the Vols is a rare treat in Johnson City, people in Knoxville have better things to do over Christmas, students gone, etc).
*We almost certainly still get a pro-UT crowd. I can't speak directly for UTC or UTM, but being from Johnson City, I know the Mini-Dome would be full of Vols.
*We get a chance to pad our overall road/neutral record against inferior opponents without actually going into a hostile gym (like Oakland)

Downside?

Losing lol.

I do like that idea though.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Bruce usually played every single garbage team the state of Tennessee had to offer. We played plent of average teams under Bruce and still scheduled the big boys. I don't understand your argument. How was the schedule too tough this year? You get invited to maui you don't turn it down. Other than that we played Memphis ooc. That was the only other ranked game. Pitt missed nit and uconn was decent. Are schedule has been no wear near Michigan state like but also hasn't been a uf cupcake line. are SOS was always hig because Bruce scheduled decent mid majors. That usually inflated our rpi. These are all good ideas. Something teams like Michigan state have been doing for years.

it's JMO...

This years team would have benefited more from not playing teams like duke and Memphis early on but someone like a xavier or nc state.

I feel next years OOC schedule is pretty good, Memphis, Virginia, nc state/Xavier, penn state/Princeton, and Oakland should be decent.

Add in the smaller state schools, and low majors and I feel our OOC next year is fine. Also, The SEC SOS should be mcg better as well, adding mizzou an a&m. It's not gonna be the highest overall SOS but it'll be decent, and we won't be penalized for it. I guess my thought is with this team we aren't the best, we aren't UK or 'Cuse that will be favored in most if not all those games. If we play 16 conference Ames and 15 OOC games, and schedule 10 juggernauts what happens if you don't win a few? If/when this team gets to top 15 status then ok, but right now I don't see the need in a top 5 SOS. Obviously CCM agrees since our schedule this year doesn't have many top tier games on it so far.

Once again JMO.

 

[UT IE 95]

So the general vibe of this thread is to play crappy teams OOC and concede that playing quality opponents would result in a loss? I thought our program had moved past that in basketball.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

So the general vibe of this thread is to play crappy teams OOC and concede that playing quality opponents would result in a loss? I thought our program had moved past that in basketball.

Who said that?

 

[jasonvol18]

Tell that to some of those 20+ win teams that did not make it. Schedule tough games and that is the way it is. We don't get there with just average joe's

It was the average joes and below average joes teams that also kept us out of the tournament this year.

Playing them wasn't the problem. Losing to them on the other hand was. If we don't lose to Oakland, COC and Austin Peay I believe it was then I we are 21-11. And in the tourney.

 

[jasonvol18]

You are correct.

We should play a few marquee games, but IMO our whole OOC should not be spent against really good teams like Bruce liked to do.

Jmo though

I enjoyed his scheduling. We were competitive in most and won our share. If were going to lose I would rather it be to the good teams as opposed to losing to the sucky teams like we did this year.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Those that missed it were either mid majors sl they don't he the good conference SOS, Or they were like miss st and just fell apart.

So if we trade the 4 losses to Memphis, duke and Pitt for wins against decent teams you don't think we make the tournament?

21-10(10-6) ....yea we'd be in.

Add one of those games...as a win...or beat Cof Charlestown, Austin Peay, GA on the Road, or Oakland. 2 of 4 May have gotten us in.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I enjoyed his scheduling. We were competitive in most and won our share. If were going to lose I would rather it be to the good teams as opposed to losing to the sucky teams like we did this year.

If we are a top 15 team I'm fine with it, but this team wasnt and depending on off season move next years may not either.

IMO...if you aren't a very good team, you're better off playing 10 decent teams with the chane of beating 8 or 9 high, as opposed to playing 10 top 15 teams, and the chanc of losing 8 or 9 is high.

Loser mentality? Call it why you want. It's the truth, most middle of the road teams won't go and schedule the hardest SOS.

The top 20 SOS teams are all dancing, and easily. My point is they are good teams, better than UT, sorry but it's true. If you're good as I said a top 15-25 program then ok, you have a good chance of winning some of those like Bruce did, but with this years team and maybe next years, a top SOS is unnecessary IMO.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Add one of those games...as a win...or beat Cof Charlestown, Austin Peay, GA on the Road, or Oakland. 2 of 4 May have gotten us in.

If we won the 3 games we should have, Oakland ap and coc, we'd be dancing easily.

I don't think 1 W against duke or Memphis would have gotten us in.

 

[UT IE 95]

Who said that?

I get it as a vibe in the thread as a whole is to play a softer schedule, but here is one example that looks to insinuate that playing an easier schedule is preferred.

We should play a few marquee games, but IMO our whole OOC should not be spent against really good teams like Bruce liked to do.

Jmo though

 

[GatorsGators]

I think two games with Missouri should add to the strength of schedule significantlly. However we will probably lose at least one of these, maybe both, depending on who they have coming back.

Missouri's losing just about everything. They have their point guard back (Pressey)... That's it. They also have a few high-level transfers. Earnest Ross from Auburn, Keion Bell from Pepperdine, and Jabari Brown from Oregon. Then they should have Laurence Bowers returning from injury. They'll be pretty good, but nowhere near as good as this year. I'm thinking top half of the SEC and fringe Top 25. That's about where I'd put my expectations for Tennessee next year as well (although I think Tennessee will be the better of the two).

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I get it as a vibe in the thread as a whole is to play a softer schedule, but here is one example that looks to insinuate that playing an easier schedule is preferred.

Well you interpreted it wrong. With Bruce we were usually around a top 5 or 10 SOS. All my point was, was simply this year, nor next years team need that high of a SOS.

Should we still say goodbye to ccm in your opinion, Or give him another year? Is his seat still warm?

 

[jasonvol18]

If we are a top 15 team I'm fine with it, but this team wasnt and depending on off season move next years may not either.

IMO...if you aren't a very good team, you're better off playing 10 decent teams with the chane of beating 8 or 9 high, as opposed to playing 10 top 15 teams, and the chanc of losing 8 or 9 is high.

Loser mentality? Call it why you want. It's the truth, most middle of the road teams won't go and schedule the hardest SOS.

The top 20 SOS teams are all dancing, and easily. My point is they are good teams, better than UT, sorry but it's true. If you're good as I said a top 15-25 program then ok, you have a good chance of winning some of those like Bruce did, but with this years team and maybe next years, a top SOS is unnecessary IMO.

I definitely understand what your saying. But we lost to 3 very bad teams. That's the downside to playing those kind of games. If you win your supposed to but if you lose then its a very bad loss. I definitely don't think u should schedule all top 25 teams but I do enjoy the Uconn, Memphis, Kansas, Gonzaga type games a few times and also playing in 1or 2 good preseason tournaments. I really think next year we won't lose those type games like we did this year. Our players really seemed to buy in and will only get better. And Stokes will get stronger and be better prepared for a full season. I'm really impressed by what Cuonzo has done. We need a more consistent 3 pt shooter and a true PG and we will be very good next year. I see no reason were not a NCAA tourney team next season with what we have now. But a true consistent 3 pt threat would be huge

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Personally I think next years SOS will be fine with a better conference SOS, and Memphis, Virginia, and pre season tourney opponents.

I think as is we are a NCAA tournament team, infanct ccm said basically they better make it next year or it's a huge disappointment. Saying it will now be expected of his players to have no lapse or growing pains next year, and to start much better and finish the same.

Anyways though....assuming hall returns!!!

As is I think we're a NCAA team
Add Fabyon and I think we're sweet 16 good
Add Fabyon and add Nolan were even better IMO

 

[Sudden Impact]

Without that tough OOC schedule we don't see the No. 1 ranking we obtained or the No 1 RPI we held for so long. The lady vols have done if for years we should learn from that experience.

 

[{OrangeBlooded}]

Playing them wasn't the problem. Losing to them on the other hand was. If we don't lose to Oakland, COC and Austin Peay I believe it was then I we are 21-11. And in the tourney.

This. Schedule had a nice balance. Win the ones you should and this team is in the tourney.