The Political Compass

#80
#80
n_huffhines said:
Think of it like this...they're saying the GOP is closer to neoconservatism than the Democratic party is to Maoists, which is accurate.

I'm not saying they're exactly right, I'm just saying that's the logic.
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I get it, but the current Democratic party is WAY, WAY further left than they have it placed on that graph. The confusing thing to me is where you would place the Democrats on the Authoritarian versus Libertarian spectrum. They absolutely want to be able to force their agenda and their rules on the entire population, and they use the FBI, CIA, IRS and Treasury Departments as 100% partisan, political weapons. That would place them in extreme authoritarian territory. However, then they don't want to enforce any laws whatsoever. Wouldn't that seem to indicate a more libertarian angle?
 
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85SugarVol said:
I answered the pot question like you. But I am squarely on the right.
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Honestly, I think some of the questions deserve their own thread and the same answer options and we each state how we answered and why so we can discuss.

Some of the questions were very open ended.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Careful, some might refer to that as a….. Continuum
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No question about it; it is "A republic, if you can keep it."

We form societies primarily for security and commerce. Government's core reason for existing is to keep us from killing each other in dispute, via uniform application of law. A constitutional republic does the most adequate job of protecting life, liberty and property and protecting them against democratic mob tyranny. Nonetheless, we have to surrender some property - taxed income - to fund it. Liberty taken to anarcho-libertarian lengths means citizens subscribe, I guess, to private security firms to do those things. A well-meaning welfare state in a market economy nation, at some point, can exact such high taxation it becomes a de facto socialist system.
 
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Vol423 said:
I get it, but the current Democratic party is WAY, WAY further left than they have it placed on that graph. The confusing thing to me is where you would place the Democrats on the Authoritarian versus Libertarian spectrum. They absolutely want to be able to force their agenda and their rules on the entire population, and they use the FBI, CIA, IRS and Treasury Departments as 100% partisan, political weapons. That would place them in extreme authoritarian territory. However, then they don't want to enforce any laws whatsoever. Wouldn't that seem to indicate a more libertarian angle?
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You're talking about your perception of what specific individuals in the democratic party have done, like Obama. I assume this graphic is just based on the stated platform of the party. Also, there is no way Republicans in power haven't politicized those government agencies. Republicans "absolutely want to be able to force their agenda and their rules."
 
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NEO said:
Honestly, I think some of the questions deserve their own thread and the same answer options and we each state how we answered and why so we can discuss.

Some of the questions were very open ended.
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Many of the questions were very black and white, and I view the world as FAR more grey. That made some of the questions challenging to answer. Quite honestly, that is also why I find most political debates and commercials worthless. Not only are politicians going to flat-out lie, but the ridiculously low amount of time allotted to give answers precludes an actual thoughtful answer. Most issues aren't black and white. In addition, despite the desire by both political parties to try to paint the votes of Congressmen on bills as simple litmus tests on where they stand, that is very disingenuous. Every bill that works through Congress is loaded down with so much pork and amendments added specifically to be deal killers that the reason for each person's vote on a specific piece of legislation can often have absolutely nothing to do with the headline description of the bill.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're talking about your perception of what specific individuals in the democratic party have done, like Obama. I assume this graphic is just based on the stated platform of the party. Also, there is no way Republicans in power haven't politicized those government agencies. Republicans "absolutely want to be able to force their agenda and their rules."
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I'm not claiming that Republicans are innocent, but it is the Democratic party that is completely and totally weaponizing the government agencies against its political adversaries.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're talking about your perception of what specific individuals in the democratic party have done, like Obama. I assume this graphic is just based on the stated platform of the party. Also, there is no way Republicans in power haven't politicized those government agencies. Republicans "absolutely want to be able to force their agenda and their rules."
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Also, I'm not talking about the Democratic platform. Political platforms are worthless. I'm talking about the specific bills that they are introducing (and the ideas that they're debating within their own party for inclusion in those bills).
 
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Vol423 said:
I get it, but the current Democratic party is WAY, WAY further left than they have it placed on that graph. The confusing thing to me is where you would place the Democrats on the Authoritarian versus Libertarian spectrum. They absolutely want to be able to force their agenda and their rules on the entire population, and they use the FBI, CIA, IRS and Treasury Departments as 100% partisan, political weapons. That would place them in extreme authoritarian territory. However, then they don't want to enforce any laws whatsoever. Wouldn't that seem to indicate a more libertarian angle?
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Are you saying the Republicans don't do exactly the same thing?
 
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Vol423 said:
Also, I'm not talking about the Democratic platform. Political platforms are worthless. I'm talking about the specific bills that they are introducing (and the ideas that they're debating within their own party for inclusion in those bills).
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Cool, but the point is that the author of the graphic is.
 
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Vol423 said:
I understand. So, the graphic is so far off that it is worthless, which was my original point.
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Nobody on this graphic is being placed by their actions. It's all about ideology. You think it's worthless because you can't wrap your mind around this. You might as well say it's worthless to discuss ideology.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Nobody on this graphic is being placed by their actions. It's all about ideology. You think it's worthless because you can't wrap your mind around this. You might as well say it's worthless to discuss ideology.
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Blaming the refs was just a matter of time.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Nobody on this graphic is being placed by their actions. It's all about ideology. You think it's worthless because you can't wrap your mind around this. You might as well say it's worthless to discuss ideology.
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No. My point is that the Democrats' stated ideology isn't their true ideology. They're acting on their true ideology.
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
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You and I and I believe ButchPlz are right together.
 
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