The Presidential Election Was Legitimate. Conspiracies Are Not.

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Thanks for the background info link.

In January 2016, French said that he would vote for Donald Trump if he became the Republican nominee; he later changed his mind and said he would not vote for Trump.[18][19] Political commentator Bill Kristol, a supporter of the Stop Trump movement, named French as his choice to run for U.S. president as an independent conservative candidate to defeat presumptive Republican nominee Trump on May 31.[20]
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So he's one of these NeverTrumper/Lincoln Project guys.
 
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I've always offerd photo ID for the poll workers to look up my registration. Seems like a no brainer. But the reality is that registering to vote these days requires confirmation of both citizenship and residence. When I relocated to Tennessee, I presented birth certificate and utility bills in my name to qualify for a star driver license, and I already had a star driver license from another state. The DMV provided a form for information and photo-copies to be transferred to the local Election Commission, for a voter registration. The Commission sent me mail to confirm, and I had to sign another document, so they darn sure had my photo ID on record and double checked my signature. I realize that some people have difficulty providing the necessary documents, but there seems to be too much jawing about this issue on both sides. With or without a photo ID, a person has to confirm his/her signature before receiving a ballot. The numbers for fraudulent voting are very small, way too small to have any impact on elections.
 
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Vol Main said:
The Presidential Election Was Legitimate. Conspiracies Are Not

About the author:
David French (political commentator) - Wikipedia
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Vast and secretive conspiracies are nearly impossible to pull off, and I basically immediately dismiss them all. However, there are viable conspiracies, for example, the banking system we have is a result of crony, conspiratorial parties, but they did everything right out in front of us. Still the result of conspiring minds with gigantic consequences we still see today.

With regard to voting, if it's possible for a handful of people to pull off election fraud that swings the election, then that is may be a conspiracy worth exploring. If it's a conspiracy that starts with the DNC or Biden and it's top-down managed, involving hundreds/thousands of people, then I'm out.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Vast and secretive conspiracies are nearly impossible to pull off, and I basically immediately dismiss them all. However, there are viable conspiracies, for example, the banking system we have is a result of crony, conspiratorial parties, but they did everything right out in front of us. Still the result of conspiring minds with gigantic consequences we still see today.

With regard to voting, if it's possible for a handful of people to pull off election fraud that swings the election, then that is may be a conspiracy worth exploring. If it's a conspiracy that starts with the DNC or Biden and it's top-down managed, involving hundreds/thousands of people, then I'm out.
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Wtf are you talking about? Any sane person is out regardless. This is non existent. You both sides a ton of things.
 
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Crazy how the party of science/facts doesn't want to dig into the handling of the Russia probe or the integrity of the election.

Assuming they are both legit then why not call for the sun to shine on them and prove it rather than dismiss out of hand any chance either might not have been fully legit?
 
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n_huffhines said:
However, there are viable conspiracies, for example, the banking system we have is a result of crony, conspiratorial parties, but they did everything right out in front of us.
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Not sure what you're citing here, but if it's out in the open it's not what we normally mean by conspiracy.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Not sure what you're citing here, but if it's out in the open it's not what we normally mean by conspiracy.
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What some normally mean and what it is are two different things. A conspiracy doesn't have to be vast and not everything has to be done behind closed doors. In this case, there were a few secretive people involved with the planning but the resulting actions happened out in the open.

You gotta hand it to the conspiracy theorists, because, in fact, there was a conspiracy… I call it a patriotic conspiracy, but there was a senator from Rhode Island, a guy named Nelson Aldrich…. Late in his career, he decided we needed a central bank. So he organized — now I’m not making this up, it doesn’t come from Warner Bros. studio or anything — he organized a faux hunting trip to an island off the coast of Georgia [Jekyll Island] where there was an exclusive resort where J.P. Morgan was a member. [Morgan] made sure there was no one else in the club. And the senator, three bankers, the assistant secretary of the treasury — who, by the way, didn’t tell his boss — went down there for a week. They were plied with wild turkey, quail, stuffed oyster. They wrote what became the first draft of the Federal Reserve Act.

How a secret meeting on Jekyll Island led to the Fed - Marketplace
 
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n_huffhines said:
Vast and secretive conspiracies are nearly impossible to pull off, and I basically immediately dismiss them all. However, there are viable conspiracies, for example, the banking system we have is a result of crony, conspiratorial parties, but they did everything right out in front of us. Still the result of conspiring minds with gigantic consequences we still see today.

With regard to voting, if it's possible for a handful of people to pull off election fraud that swings the election, then that is may be a conspiracy worth exploring. If it's a conspiracy that starts with the DNC or Biden and it's top-down managed, involving hundreds/thousands of people, then I'm out.
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1. I don't think massive fraud requires conspiracy. Individuals who have some sort of authority in the process can individually choose to hi-jack the process. And if enough of these individuals have TDS and choose to commit fraud, I can see how it could make a difference in a few key battleground areas.

2. If there is a conspiracy, it wouldn't have to be a top down DNC wide conspiracy. It would really just require a few willing participants in a few battleground states in order to make a difference.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Vast and secretive conspiracies are nearly impossible to pull off, and I basically immediately dismiss them all. However, there are viable conspiracies, for example, the banking system we have is a result of crony, conspiratorial parties, but they did everything right out in front of us. Still the result of conspiring minds with gigantic consequences we still see today.

With regard to voting, if it's possible for a handful of people to pull off election fraud that swings the election, then that is may be a conspiracy worth exploring. If it's a conspiracy that starts with the DNC or Biden and it's top-down managed, involving hundreds/thousands of people, then I'm out.
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Are you feeling ok? Somebody check on huff!!
 
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