The Problems with Trans-ideology

[Vol8188]

That’s not what she said at all lmao. Maybe the same guy who embarrasses himself every time he tries to talk about anything law-related should take a break from talking about who does and doesn’t understand it

Go ahead. Where am I wrong?

 

[NashVol11]

Encouraging? Is that the standard. You claimed Asians were being held to the same standard and not being held to higher standards according to their race, just that they weren’t doing as well in areas other than academics (volunteer hours, interviews, etc).

No one said anything like this about “Asians” as a group, I said high test scores don’t mean “admission everywhere or it’s discrimination” which should be extremely obvious

Sotomayor openly says this is a situation of differing standards but that different standards are necessary.

She said their admission policies are in line with the Civil Rights Act and should survive strict scrutiny, making the same arguments that affirmative action proponents have made for decades now but that you seem to think are brand new or in disagreement with me for some reason

Literally every person but you, realizes Harvard was discriminating against Asians.

I bet even the majority didn’t say this

The question was “are discriminatory practices justified”. Not “are they occurring”. If they weren’t occurring an end to race based college entry wouldn’t what both sides the dissent and the majority opinion and literally every headline about the case are about.

The question was whether race can be an element of admission. No one was arguing that it never has been. That’s a pathetic strawman.

It’s literally just you who doesn’t understand this

LOL

 

[C-south]

No one said anything like this about “Asians” as a group, I said high test scores don’t mean “admission everywhere or it’s discrimination” which should be extremely obvious



She said their admission policies are in line with the Civil Rights Act and should survive strict scrutiny, making the same arguments that affirmative action proponents have made for decades now but that you seem to think are brand new or in disagreement with me for some reason



I bet even the majority didn’t say this



The question was whether race can be an element of admission. No one was arguing that it never has been. That’s a pathetic strawman.



LOL

The Supreme Court said they did.

 

[Vol8188]

No one said anything like this about “Asians” as a group, I said high test scores don’t mean “admission everywhere or it’s discrimination” which should be extremely obvious



She said their admission policies are in line with the Civil Rights Act and should survive strict scrutiny, making the same arguments that affirmative action proponents have made for decades now but that you seem to think are brand new or in disagreement with me for some reason



I bet even the majority didn’t say this



The question was whether race can be an element of admission. No one was arguing that it never has been. That’s a pathetic strawman.



LOL

No one was arguing that it never has been? You were. You’re the literal person who was saying Asians were being denied in favor of other candidates due to factors other than their gpa and their SAT scores. Yet this case very obviously says otherwise. This case is about the established fact that Asians were being held to a higher standard than other racial groups and if that was justified. If they weren’t being held to a different standard, why would you even need to know their race?

By nature of asking “can race be an element of admission” you’re stating support for racial discrimination in admission. Just like by nature of supporting gpa as an element of admission, you’re stating support for gpa based discrimination in admission.

Literally in the first paragraph she promotes a “race conscious” means to admissions and states it’s importance for diversity in her second paragraph. How exactly does any of that happen without discrimination based on race? The answer is it doesn’t.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

What all this should really come down to is this: **** Harvard. They produce liars and thieves at an astounding rate. The sad thing is that they will never go bankrupt and cease to exist. Their graduates have probably caused as much harm to the average American as they have done good

 

[NashVol11]

No one was arguing that it never has been? You were. You’re the literal person who was saying Asians were being denied in favor of other candidates due to factors other than their gpa and their SAT scores. Yet this case very obviously says otherwise. This case is about the established fact that Asians were being held to a higher standard than other racial groups and if that was justified. If they weren’t being held to a different standard, why would you even need to know their race?

By nature of asking “can race be an element of admission” you’re stating support for racial discrimination in admission. Just like by nature of supporting gpa as an element of admission, you’re stating support for gpa based discrimination in admission.

Literally in the first paragraph she promotes a “race conscious” means to admissions and states it’s importance for diversity in her second paragraph. How exactly does any of that happen without discrimination based on race? The answer is it doesn’t.

Race-conscious admissions have been in place for decades now. I even restated my point for you in the first sentence of my previous post and somehow you missed it for this strawman instead.

Hell, even Roberts didn’t push back on a diverse student body being a compelling interest; he essentially just said there should be a time limit and there isn’t enough racism to need these programs anymore.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Race-conscious admissions have been in place for decades now. I even restated my point for you in the first sentence of my previous post and somehow you missed it for this strawman instead.

Hell, even Roberts didn’t push back on a diverse student body being a compelling interest; he essentially just said there should be a time limit and there isn’t enough racism to need these programs anymore.

why is diversity better? It's an honest question.

 

[Vol8188]

I even restated my point for you in the first sentence of my previous post and somehow you missed it for this strawman instead.

Lol it’s cute when you act like you’re being clear and concise when the truth is you just evade. You’ve been asked 50x probably in this thread if Asians were discriminated against by admission standards. Everytime you’ve just redirected to “subjective standards” and denial. Then you accuse me of strawmaning. Let’s hear your actual opinion. No dancing around.

Are you finally willing to admit Asians were being discriminated against in an effort to increase the number of black students?

 

[NashVol11]

Lol it’s cute when you act like you’re being clear and concise when the truth is you just evade. You’ve been asked 50x probably in this thread if Asians were discriminated against by admission standards. Everytime you’ve just redirected to “subjective standards” and denial. Then you accuse me of strawmaning. Let’s hear your actual opinion. No dancing around.

Are you finally willing to admit Asians were being discriminated against in an effort to increase the number of black students?

Another thing I’ve answered already, lol. I’m sure it’s happened, but nowhere near as often as people claim, including the case we were talking about where your argument was “good test scores + rejection = discrimination” and could not wrap your head around admission being anything but a test score

 

[NashVol11]

And, yes, “you said there’s no race conscious admission even though you realize it’s existed for decades” is a hell of a strawman lol

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

This thread is drifting from the justification for mental illness line to the that's racist line of which there are numerous threads already.

 

[Vol8188]

Another thing I’ve answered already, lol. I’m sure it’s happened, but nowhere near as often as people claim, including the case we were talking about where your argument was “good test scores + rejection = discrimination” and could not wrap your head around admission being anything but a test score

Lol what exactly did I strawman about your argument? You’re downplaying the discrimination and hiding behind subjective standards.

If the discrimination isn’t happening (which is what you’re claiming), then won’t the subjective standards be enough to continue getting black students with lower scores in over Asian students even if they do a race blind admission? If that’s true, this wouldn’t have needed to go to the Supreme Court, and Sotomayor wouldn’t have anything to object to.

The obvious answer here is yes, it has been happening. That’s why they need to know the ethnicity of the candidates, so they can weigh the applications appropriately

 

[Vol8188]

And, yes, “you said there’s no race conscious admission even though you realize it’s existed for decades” is a hell of a strawman lol

Not something I said. I said you proclaimed race based discrimination is not occurring in college admissions. The issue here is you are playing semantic games and pretending “race conscious admissions” are not “racial discrimination”.

If we have “gpa conscious admissions” would that not be “gpa based discrimination”?

So can you explain how “race conscious admissions” are not “racially discriminating admissions”?

 

[NashVol11]

Lol what exactly did I strawman about your argument? You’re downplaying the discrimination and hiding behind subjective standards.

If the discrimination isn’t happening (which is what you’re claiming), then won’t the subjective standards be enough to continue getting black students with lower scores in over Asian students even if they do a race blind admission? If that’s true, this wouldn’t have needed to go to the Supreme Court, and Sotomayor wouldn’t have anything to object to.

The obvious answer here is yes, it has been happening. That’s why they need to know the ethnicity of the candidates, so they can weigh the applications appropriately

Characterizing my argument as “race conscious admissions policies don’t exist” is hilariously bad reading comprehension and that’s generous. We were talking about one person and whether high test scores + rejection were proof of discrimination, which probably everyone here can answer easily especially considering he got rejected from non-AA schools too

 

[Vol8188]

Characterizing my argument as “race conscious admissions policies don’t exist” is hilariously bad reading comprehension and that’s generous. We were talking about one person and whether high test scores + rejection were proof of discrimination, which probably everyone here can answer easily especially considering he got rejected from non-AA schools too

And during that I asked you multiple times if Asians in general were being discriminated against. I just asked you again. And again you pretended it isn’t happening.

So please explain. How can “race conscious admissions” exist without racial discrimination

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[AM64]

I've pretty much considered a lot of this to be a self-correcting problem. Two guys or a couple of women aren't going to produce bent kids, and no amount of current Frankenstein surgery is going to turn a guy into a baby factory or a woman getting the process rolling. However, adoption and artificial insemination screw that up. That's why they have to go after the kids.

 

[AM64]

No one said anything like this about “Asians” as a group, I said high test scores don’t mean “admission everywhere or it’s discrimination” which should be extremely obvious



She said their admission policies are in line with the Civil Rights Act and should survive strict scrutiny, making the same arguments that affirmative action proponents have made for decades now but that you seem to think are brand new or in disagreement with me for some reason



I bet even the majority didn’t say this



The question was whether race can be an element of admission. No one was arguing that it never has been. That’s a pathetic strawman.



LOL

Ah the Civil Rights Act. Do you not see discrimination as discrimination? How is "reverse" discrimination any different from plain ole run of the mill discrimination? Or do you just agree that it's the thought (intent) that counts? Discrimination is wrong, but instutionalized discrimination is good ... as long as it favors your group?

 

[OrangeBoro]

I think y’all means all and everyone is welcomed and accepted?

 

[theFallGuy]

Michigan residents could be charged with felony face up to five years prison using wrong pronouns | Daily Mail Online

 

[Orangeburst]

Michigan residents could be charged with felony face up to five years prison using wrong pronouns | Daily Mail Online

That will go to SCOTUS and get struck down
Shows how extreme Dems are now
They hate the USC

 

[VOLS INC.]

That will go to SCOTUS and get struck down
Shows how extreme Dems are now
They hate the USC

It will get struck down 6-3 And then the democrats will blast the 6 SCOTUS judges for being extreme!

A law that stands in direct opposition of the 1st amendment will be viewed as progressive and necessary, and the reversal of that law based on the Bill of Rights, will be viewed as harmful and racist.

God save the Queen!

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

The left wing radicals are so tolerate & accepts everyone but those they disagree with ....
This is not a good look in trying to bring people together to advance your proud agenda.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[Orangeburst]

The ole Thespian Lesbians