The Problems with Trans-ideology

[Vol8188]

Many people with intersex also identify as transgender. In either case they would test genetically opposite of how they were raised and/or opposite of what they identify as. The treatment of both can be very similar.

Once again, that’s a different thing that you’re trying to smuggle in. It’s the complete opposite of the argument you’re trying to make.

Being born a male and deciding you want to be a female is not the same as being raised as a male and discovering you’re actually a biological female.

 

[utvolpj]

Many people with intersex also identify as transgender. In either case they would test genetically opposite of how they were raised and/or opposite of what they identify as. The treatment of both can be very similar.

.018% meets the definition of intersex. That's a medical definition and no one is really disagreeing with treatment for kids.

The issue is the woman who claims all 4 of her kids are trans (1 in 87 billion chance). Or the one who claims they knew their 4yo was trans because they ate broccoli or once played with a truck/doll. Trans is not medical, it's mental. In the young ones it's absolutely the parent or other adult feeding them lines. Adults can live their lives however they want but let's give the kids at least a fighting chance at normalcy

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Which guns are going around killing people? Maybe we should talk about trans going around and shooting kids instead. Back to the topic, if you’re self aware to know you want to pretend you’re something you’re not you should be self aware enough to realize you may be restricted from participating in actual gender specific activities.

You really wanna break down the demographic of mass shooters or are you just stuck to the shiny new objects from the past year?

 

[Vol8188]

You really wanna break down the demographic of mass shooters or are you just stuck to the shiny new objects from the past year?

There’s nothing particularly interesting I’ve seen on the demographics of mass shooters.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

There’s nothing particularly interesting I’ve seen on the demographics of mass shooters.

I suppose white males aren't particularly interesting these days.

 

[Vol8188]

I suppose white males aren't particularly interesting these days.

White people are not over represented in mass shootings. Males? Sure. But males are over represented in all violence

 

[DinkinFlicka]

White people are not over represented in mass shootings. Males? Sure. But males are over represented in all violence

Kind of my point in responding to Csoutg earlier. Where was your debating hat when he tried to infer that trans folks were prone to turning people into bullet sponges?

 

[dalton_vol]

If you had a daughter raised as a girl with female genitalia but found out at the age 14 that the reason she didn't develop breasts or a period was because of internal testicles. I hope you're smart enough to understand that your best decision would be to have those testicles surgically removed and immediately begin estrogen therapy. This is what parents of intersex children are up against. Without medical intervention and treatment that poor 14 year old female would be a prime candidate for MI.

What the percentage of kids who have this? Extremely rare..

 

[Vol8188]

Kind of my point in responding to Csoutg earlier. Where was your debating hat when he tried to infer that trans folks were prone to turning people into bullet sponges?

Seems like what I said was the opposite of what you said. Also, not sure I have any obligation to personally debate all false claims made on here

 

[85SugarVol]

The NCAA has had a policy for transgender athlete participation in place since 2010, which called for one year of testosterone suppression treatment and documented testosterone levels submitted before championship competitions.

Well I guess the girls in the locker room will feel safer knowing that?

 

[85SugarVol]

Suppression of testosterone can lead to physical changes including the following: increased body fat. decreased strength/mass of muscles. fragile bones.

Not that it would ever happen but how do you think a male to female trans with severely suppressed testosterone would fair against Killa Kamilla?

There is no amount of testosterone blockers that can negate the biological advantages of increased bone density, muscle mass, and length associated with going through male puberty.

Unless the transgender female athlete in question transitioned prior to her going through her male pubescent years, she carries the advantages of male puberty forward.

 

[85SugarVol]

Which guns are going around killing people? Maybe we should talk about trans going around and shooting kids instead. Back to the topic, if you’re self aware to know you want to pretend you’re something you’re not you should be self aware enough to realize you may be restricted from participating in actual gender specific activities.

I realize the idea of “trans shooter” was all the rage there for a minute, but mass shootings aren’t driving the gun violence numbers - and transgender individuals aren’t driving the mass shooting numbers.

The story (which most missed) with the Nashville shooting was not the shooter, and their gender. It was the suppression of their target assessments…

 

[marcusluvsvols]

I missed nothing as you can see where the responses came from.

And long term use of the hormone therapy should be labeled child abuse. Those seeking it for pre-pubescent children are doing it with a purpose that is not in the child's long term interests

Check.

Keeping someone from permanently scarring their bodies is compassion. Playing along with their mental illness is not compassion

Mate.

 

[volfanhill]

The NCAA has had a policy for transgender athlete participation in place since 2010, which called for one year of testosterone suppression treatment and documented testosterone levels submitted before championship competitions.

I'm sure any female who missed out on scholarship, a championship, qualifying for a final race feels great about that. Stop being ok with *****ing on female athletes. Does hormone changes make hands and feet shrink? Of course not. Idiots. They can be respected without being catered to.

 

[Poultrygeist]

What the percentage of kids who have this? Extremely rare..

Intersex people are born with sex characteristics (such as sexual anatomy, reproductive organs, hormonal patterns and/or chromosomal patterns) that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies. Experts estimate that up to 1.7 percent of the population are born with intersex traits.

 

[Poultrygeist]

There is no amount of testosterone blockers that can negate the biological advantages of increased bone density, muscle mass, and length associated with going through male puberty.

Unless the transgender female athlete in question transitioned prior to her going through her male pubescent years, she carries the advantages of male puberty forward.

That's why some opt for puberty blockers.

 

[Poultrygeist]

Once again, that’s a different thing that you’re trying to smuggle in. It’s the complete opposite of the argument you’re trying to make.

Being born a male and deciding you want to be a female is not the same as being raised as a male and discovering you’re actually a biological female.

Go back to post 5162 and watch the video I posted regarding intersex. It's been a part of my discussion from the beginning. If you believe that players who genetically test as males should be excluded from women's basketball then that applies to both trans and intersex.

 

[Vol8188]

Go back to post 5162 and watch the video I posted regarding intersex. It's been a part of my discussion from the beginning. If you believe that players who genetically test as males should be excluded from women's basketball then that applies to both trans and intersex.

Yes, biological males should play against biological males.

 

[superfly]

Which guns are going around killing people? Maybe we should talk about trans going around and shooting kids instead. Back to the topic, if you’re self aware to know you want to pretend you’re something you’re not you should be self aware enough to realize you may be restricted from participating in actual gender specific activities.

When someone is killed by a gun...they never list the cause of death as "person shot them". They say...killed by a gunshot wound. The availability is the problem. You ever heard of a "drive by stabbing"? No....you haven't. You ever heard of a "knife through the wall" killing? No you haven't. Have you ever heard of a "knife killing from 20 yards away"? No you haven't. The argument about trans playing against the sex they identify with may be an issue in a very small sense. If that happens, then it can be dealt with when it BECOMES an issue. How many trans athletes do you personally know? Exactly....you're trying to make an issue when there is no issue. It's like people getting upset about "trans bathrooms" when 99% of those people didn't even know they existed until it became a political talking point. You are just a parrot repeating the latest tag line. I guess you say "woke" also. That was the newest "say it even though it's stupid" catch phrase. Woke instead of asleep? Is that what that idiotic word means? It's stupid that there are so many "parrots" just saying words they are told to say.

 

[NashVol11]

When someone is killed by a gun...they never list the cause of death as "person shot them". They say...killed by a gunshot wound. The availability is the problem. You ever heard of a "drive by stabbing"? No....you haven't. You ever heard of a "knife through the wall" killing? No you haven't. Have you ever heard of a "knife killing from 20 yards away"? No you haven't. The argument about trans playing against the sex they identify with may be an issue in a very small sense. If that happens, then it can be dealt with when it BECOMES an issue. How many trans athletes do you personally know? Exactly....you're trying to make an issue when there is no issue. It's like people getting upset about "trans bathrooms" when 99% of those people didn't even know they existed until it became a political talking point. You are just a parrot repeating the latest tag line. I guess you say "woke" also. That was the newest "say it even though it's stupid" catch phrase. Woke instead of asleep? Is that what that idiotic word means? It's stupid that there are so many "parrots" just saying words they are told to say.

For trans people they’ve already tried to say they’re groomers/pedos coming for your kids, now it’s that they’re ruining your poor daughters’ lives with their basically 0% participation in NCAA sports. The next outrage farming will be that trans people are a threat to the elderly or something, and marcusluvsvols will be frothing at the mouth to type out 10 more rants about it

 

[Vol8188]

When someone is killed by a gun...they never list the cause of death as "person shot them". They say...killed by a gunshot wound. The availability is the problem. You ever heard of a "drive by stabbing"? No....you haven't. You ever heard of a "knife through the wall" killing? No you haven't. Have you ever heard of a "knife killing from 20 yards away"? No you haven't. The argument about trans playing against the sex they identify with may be an issue in a very small sense. If that happens, then it can be dealt with when it BECOMES an issue. How many trans athletes do you personally know? Exactly....you're trying to make an issue when there is no issue. It's like people getting upset about "trans bathrooms" when 99% of those people didn't even know they existed until it became a political talking point. You are just a parrot repeating the latest tag line. I guess you say "woke" also. That was the newest "say it even though it's stupid" catch phrase. Woke instead of asleep? Is that what that idiotic word means? It's stupid that there are so many "parrots" just saying words they are told to say.

If the problem were guns, the majority of homicides would be committed by white Americans. White Americans own more gains, have more disposable income and wealth to purchase more guns, have greater legal access to guns due to lower felony rates, and yet commit homicides at a small fraction of the rate of black Americans.

The problem isn’t the gun. But like I told you earlier, that’s an argument for another thread

 

[MontyPython]

Trans is not medical, it's mental. In the young ones it's absolutely the parent or other adult feeding them lines. Adults can live their lives however they want but let's give the kids at least a fighting chance at normalcy

Link?

 

[Sea Ray]

Intersex people are born with sex characteristics (such as sexual anatomy, reproductive organs, hormonal patterns and/or chromosomal patterns) that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies. Experts estimate that up to 1.7 percent of the population are born with intersex traits.

Sax states, "if the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female", stating the prevalence of intersex is about 0.018%, about 100 times less than Fausto-Sterling's estimate.[4][10][11] This means that for every 5,500 babies born, one either has sex chromosomes that do not match their appearance, or the appearance is so ambiguous that it is not clear whether the baby is male or female.

Intersex - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[C-south]

Link?

Lol. You need a link when one of the first demands of the alphabet group is easier access to mental healthcare in the name of “equality”?

 

[superfly]

If the problem were guns, the majority of homicides would be committed by white Americans. White Americans own more gains, have more disposable income and wealth to purchase more guns, have greater legal access to guns due to lower felony rates, and yet commit homicides at a small fraction of the rate of black Americans.

The problem isn’t the gun. But like I told you earlier, that’s an argument for another thread

Most homicides are committed by white on white. You need to check the facts. I am a gun owner (several in fact) and I have a CWP. My issue is with availablity of guns to people who have no business having guns. The NRA just wants mmore guns sold. The fact that people are dying and the fear that drives it doesn't matter to the gun lobby. It's the money. It's always about the money. It's never about what's best.