The Problems with Trans-ideology

[VOLS INC.]

Twisting this issue into a "responsibility" to be anti-trans means you should take a break from the tabloids for a day

Twisting this issue into being “Anti-Trans” means you should go get your head examined.

There is no sense in arguing with you any further. You’ve been brainwashed by leftist ideology. Seek help.

 

[utvolpj]

I can say that every disfavored minority gets attached to a narrative that they are coming for your poor women/children, and people take a decade or two to realize there's nothing backing that up

Are those other disfavored minorities also choosing to play victim and then crying when they get what they want?

 

[NashVol11]

Are those disfavor minorities also choosing to play victim?

Going to the bathroom isn't playing the victim, and "choosing" doesn't change a thing about my last post. The fact that someone is "choosing" a much harder life should tell you it's not about sneaking into the women's room to attack people you care about

 

[OrangeTsar]

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Twisting this issue into a "responsibility" to be anti-trans means you should take a break from the tabloids for a day

Recorded human history up until about 2012 consisted of a clearly defined responsibility for men to protect women. It was universally understood and fathers made that part of their unwavering education of their sons.
It is a sign of the depravity of todays leftist movement that that has been called into question; all in the interests of a tiny fraction of one percent of men who like to cosplay as women and wish to force us to acquiesce to their delusions.
We refuse; because we are men and we have honour.

 

[hog88]

I can say that every disfavored minority gets attached to a narrative that they are coming for your poor women/children, and people take a decade or two to realize there's nothing backing that up

Calling trans people minorities is disingenuous. Trans people make a decision, true minorities had no choice.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Going to the bathroom isn't playing the victim, and "choosing" doesn't change a thing about my last post. The fact that someone is "choosing" a much harder life should tell you it's not about sneaking into the women's room to attack people you care about

Choosing a much harder life????? What are you talking about? Trans individuals are universally hailed as heroes and stars by the mainstream culture; constantly receiving glowing press coverage, lucrative tv appearances, and even their own tv show. And men pretending to be women in sports can rake in medals right and left in sports where they wouldn’t even be competitive competing against other men.
Face it, trans is the surest path to fame and celebrity available right now.

 

[NashVol11]

Calling trans people minorities is disingenuous. Trans people make a decision, true minorities had no choice.

Speaking of disingenuous, "true minorities" is a concept you just made up

 

[OrangeTsar]

Again you're not really correct as you don't properly describe classic liberalism. You're just trying to force your views to be the correct ones

Doesn't really matter s neither are actually in place or am actual goal

I equate classical liberalism as very close to today’s conservatism. Today’s democrat party has as much in common with classic liberalism and the Scottish Enlightenment as i have in common with a slug.

 

[NashVol11]

Choosing a much harder life????? What are you talking about? Trans individuals are universally hailed as heroes and stars by the mainstream culture; constantly receiving glowing press coverage, lucrative tv appearances, and even their own tv show. And men pretending to be women in sports can rake in medals right and left in sports where they wouldn’t even be competitive competing against other men.
Face it, trans is the surest path to fame and celebrity available right now.

You're welcome to be a homer for Republicans all you want, but trans people are scapegoated all the time. LibsOfTikTok's primary function at this point is identifying random individual trans teachers and siccing their millions of followers and bomb threats on them

 

[hog88]

Speaking of disingenuous, "true minorities" is a concept you just made up

Nope, not made up at all.

 

[C-south]

Speaking of disingenuous, "true minorities" is a concept you just made up

Tolerance and acceptance would go much farther if some had a little self awareness. Of course that will be a bigoted thing for me to say.

 

[NashVol11]

Tolerance and acceptance would go much farther if some had a little self awareness. Of course that will be a bigoted thing for me to say.

I don’t have a problem with that but I think you also see the issue with basing your treatment of the whole group on “some” that you didn’t like

 

[VOLS INC.]

Nope, not made up at all.

Hog this is incredible to just watch this play out.

There is a representative in Massachusetts. A Democrat at that. And all he says, very calmly, is the equivalent of “I’m a father that is concerned for the safety of my daughters”.

And now he is the poster child for the Anti-Trans bigotry infecting our society. I understand the overwhelming majority of Americans agree with his position. But the fact his position is even considered controversial by a significant segment among leftist is incredible.

 

[C-south]

I don’t have a problem with that but I think you also see the issue with basing your treatment of the whole group on “some” that you didn’t like

Someone simply being trans has nothing to do with me liking them or not regardless of my personal beliefs.

 

[OrangeTsar]

You're welcome to be a homer for Republicans all you want, but trans people are scapegoated all the time. LibsOfTikTok's primary function at this point is identifying random individual trans teachers and siccing their millions of followers and bomb threats on them

Trans people can do pretty much whatever they want to do in their own lives. But I don’t want them anywhere near “teaching” my impressionable kids. I don’t approve of threats against them; but parents have a right to know exactly what their kids are learning and who they are learning from.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Hog this is incredible to just watch this play out.

There is a representative in Massachusetts. A Democrat at that. And all he says, very calmly, is the equivalent of “I’m a father that is concerned for the safety of my daughters”.

And now he is the poster child for the Anti-Trans bigotry infecting our society. I understand the overwhelming majority of Americans agree with his position. But the fact his position is even considered controversial by a significant segment among leftist is incredible.

That was the exact moment when I lost any hope of the democrat party realigning themselves with the electorate. They have their hands over their ears and are no longer listening. They will allow the destruction of their party before they risk alienating a vanishingly small minority

 

[NashVol11]

Twisting this issue into being “Anti-Trans” means you should go get your head examined.

There is no sense in arguing with you any further. You’ve been brainwashed by leftist ideology. Seek help.

If it’s not about being anti-trans then why are you in the trans thread talking to me about punting on responsibility lol

 

[utvolpj]

Going to the bathroom isn't playing the victim, and "choosing" doesn't change a thing about my last post. The fact that someone is "choosing" a much harder life should tell you it's not about sneaking into the women's room to attack people you care about

Yes it is paying the victim when you complain about men being barred from using the women's room.

I don't believe people choose to be mentally unwell. I believe they are making a choice and it's extremely damaging and irresponsible to play along. It's also wrong to force everyone else to accommodate their larp. If a guy walks into work wearing a suit of armor no one is going to be forced to pretend he's a knight

 

[Sandman 423]

Hell yeah, civil rights for minorities were a mistake. Should have kept them as second-class citizens like the majority wanted

Why not just have a gender neutral bathroom for folks that don't want to use the restroom designated for their sex instead of forcing people to accept people of the opposite sex in their restroom?

 

[volgr]

Why is the fringe Left and their media propagandists bullying the majority of the Country who do not support this lunacy?

Dont get me wrong, please continue to bully the American people and then act like the victim, because they will continue to vote against you in droves.

 

[hndog609]

Someone simply being trans has nothing to do with me liking them or not regardless of my personal beliefs.

The simple truth is the huge, vast, overwhelming majority of people don't really care at all about Joe/Jane trans living their lives. They've got enough going on with their own lives to bother. It's when Joe/Jane step out of their own lives and into everybody else's world where it does matter to them and assume they somehow deserve the right of way for "reasons". It's really weird. It's plays out as some blind spot where someone swinging a hangdown just walks into a situation unambiguously set aside for actual (you know, real) females and when the response is "WTH dude!" it's their issue and not the dude's.

 

[hog88]

The simple truth is the huge, vast, overwhelming majority of people don't really care at all about Joe/Jane trans living their lives. They've got enough going on with their own lives to bother. It's when Joe/Jane step out of their own lives and into everybody else's world where it does matter to them and assume they somehow deserve the right of way for "reasons". It's really weird. It's plays out as some blind spot where someone swinging a hangdown just walks into a situation unambiguously set aside for actual (you know, real) females and when the response is "WTH dude!" it's their issue and not the dude's.

I'd guess that 90% of the time a person would never know if a trans person is in a public bathroom with them. It's the 10% that want everyone to know that f^cks it up for the 90%.

 

[utvolpj]

identifying random individual trans teachers and siccing their millions of followers and bomb threats on them

I think the Lott account is trash but are these real teachers making real statements of their own accord? No one is forcing them to say their goal is to make all kids in their kindergarten class trans right?

 

[hndog609]

I'd guess that 90% of the time a person would never know if a trans person is in a public bathroom with them. It's the 10% that want everyone to know that f^cks it up for the 90%.

I guess that depends on the Joe/Jane in question. If Lebron James put on a sundress and pink bow in his hair and sashayed into a ladies room I don't think the "wanted to know" angle would really be in play.

 

[NashVol11]

I'd guess that 90% of the time a person would never know if a trans person is in a public bathroom with them. It's the 10% that want everyone to know that f^cks it up for the 90%.

I don’t think anyone “wants everyone to know” that they are a trans woman in a women’s bathroom. I agree that most people never know currently and it works fine, which is why it’s stupid to fearmonger this into an issue