The Problems with Trans-ideology

[hog88]

I guess that depends on the Joe/Jane in question. If Lebron James put on a sundress and pink bow in his hair and sashayed into a ladies room I don't think the "wanted to know" angle would really be in play.

That would be an example of a trans person wanting everyone in the bathroom to know.

 

[hog88]

I don’t think anyone “wants everyone to know” that they are a trans woman in a women’s bathroom. I agree that most people never know currently and it works fine, which is why it’s stupid to fearmonger this into an issue

I think you are willfully ignorant in that thinking. A trans man doesn't strip off in a womans locker room unless he wants everyone to know he's still a male.

 

[hndog609]

That would be an example of a trans person wanting everyone in the bathroom to know.

What I was trying to get across (perhaps poorly) is I don't care how much a given trans person is "trying' to be incognito there's no small number where it's simply not going to work. In such cases intent really isn't much of a factor.

 

[CobbVol]

Terrible meme.

Appropriate meme. The many women using the women’s restroom takes precedence over the few male(s) that wish to use the women’s restrooms.

 

[hog88]

Appropriate meme. The many women using the women’s restroom takes precedence over the few male(s) that wish to use the women’s restrooms.

We're talking about rights here so just to be clear "the rights of the many never outweigh the rights of the few".

 

[CobbVol]

We're talking about rights here so just to be clear "the rights of the many never outweigh the rights of the few".

No male has the "right" to use the women's bathroom.

 

[DynaLo]

I don’t think anyone “wants everyone to know” that they are a trans woman in a women’s bathroom. I agree that most people never know currently and it works fine, which is why it’s stupid to fearmonger this into an issue

Oh it’s normally pretty easy to spot them.
Where it gets more difficult is when you have to take a few minutes to figure out if it’s just an ugly real female or a tranny.

 

[VOLS INC.]

Bigotry.

Fear mongering.

Anti-Trans.

Y’all just hate minorities!!!!!

 

[OrangeTsar]

I know the left wants to hide behind the term "gender" rather than sex. OK, but until you can define who's a female and who's a male, we're not going to adjust the rules of who uses what bathroom. We're going to stick with what we've used since Thomas Crapper designed the flush toilet over 100 years ago

So who is a woman and can use the women's bathroom? What's your criteria?

 

[LouderVol]

I don’t think anyone “wants everyone to know” that they are a trans woman in a women’s bathroom. I agree that most people never know currently and it works fine, which is why it’s stupid to fearmonger this into an issue

wouldn't that also make it just as stupid to make it a matter of victimhood?

 

[hog88]

No male has the "right" to use the women's bathroom.

I didn’t say that they do.

 

[NashVol11]

wouldn't that also make it just as stupid to make it a matter of victimhood?

That doesn’t make sense and those things aren’t equivalent. If the current arrangement is working fine then inventing scare tactics to create a worse reality for trans people IS victimizing them

 

[CobbVol]

I didn’t say that they do.

That is good then.

 

[Sea Ray]

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My imagination is telling me I'm hearing crickets

 

[OrangeTsar]

I know some people will discount this as it comes from a conservative leaning site; but it makes some very interesting points about democrats, the electorate, and the culture wars (especially trans issues). It quotes numerous political science professors (not exactly a hotbed of conservative thought FWIW). It starts by referencing a NY Times column.

Will Democrats Ever Get Tired of Losing?

hotair.com

 

[LouderVol]

That doesn’t make sense and those things aren’t equivalent. If the current arrangement is working fine then inventing scare tactics to create a worse reality for trans people IS victimizing them

a worse reality they made for themselves.

Its not like society changed, and the trans people were left out in the cold. trans people changed themselves, and purposefully created a version of reality that didn't include them, and now expect society to cater to their new rules.

they could have just as easily pushed for genderless bathrooms, or single use bathrooms. avoided any of this confrontation. in fact that is what a lot of the private businesses are doing to avoid the issue. them wanting to belong somewhere they don't doesn't make them the victim, and its not society's fault trans people created an issue where there wasn't one.

 

[The Original Fade]

We're talking about rights here so just to be clear "the rights of the many never outweigh the rights of the few".

Whose rights should be upheld when both sides are claiming an infringement on their rights? The many or the few? The few’s rights should be upheld when there is a clear moral reason to

 

[hog88]

Whose rights should be upheld when both sides are claiming an infringement on their rights? The many or the few? The few’s rights should be upheld when there is a clear moral reason to

Everyone's rights should be upheld equally. Nobody has the right to use a bathroom or lockeroom.

 

[NashVol11]

a worse reality they made for themselves.

Its not like society changed, and the trans people were left out in the cold. trans people changed themselves, and purposefully created a version of reality that didn't include them, and now expect society to cater to their new rules.

they could have just as easily pushed for genderless bathrooms, or single use bathrooms. avoided any of this confrontation. in fact that is what a lot of the private businesses are doing to avoid the issue. them wanting to belong somewhere they don't doesn't make them the victim, and its not society's fault trans people created an issue where there wasn't one.

There hasn’t been an issue. Trans people have existed for centuries and have used the bathroom that whole time until the propaganda machine decided trans people and immigrants are everyone’s enemy and it’s an EMERGENCY. The change to their status quo for the worse didn’t come from trans people, not sure how you’re even arguing that with a straight face

 

[hog88]

There hasn’t been an issue. Trans people have existed for centuries and have used the bathroom that whole time until the propaganda machine decided trans people and immigrants are everyone’s enemy and it’s an EMERGENCY. The change to their status quo for the worse didn’t come from trans people, not sure how you’re even arguing that with a straight face

I agree that trans people have existed for centuries and have been using the bathroom of the opposite sex for just as long. Where you have it wrong is it wasn't the anti-trans propaganda machine that brought it to light, it was the shove trans down everyone's throat propaganda machine that changed the status quo. It was when the pushers decided people just have to accept a person of the opposite sex disrobing openly in the locker room or watching them disrobe that the backlash started.

 

[LouderVol]

There hasn’t been an issue. Trans people have existed for centuries and have used the bathroom that whole time until the propaganda machine decided trans people and immigrants are everyone’s enemy and it’s an EMERGENCY. The change to their status quo for the worse didn’t come from trans people, not sure how you’re even arguing that with a straight face

the first I heard about the issue was the trans people wanting IN to another's bathroom. not the people of that bathroom wanting to kick them out.

I mean I guess its impossible to prove who started it so maybe it was the other way around. but usually change starts within the minority group, and not the other way around. it takes a lot more energy to move the majority to action.

as hog has pointed out. no one has a RIGHT to to use any bathroom they want. that rule hasn't changed to favor the majority, the change is wanting to make it a right for whoever to use whatever bathroom they want. so I disagree with you on who changed the status quo. the change is the bathroom that was once for one demographic now is expected to include a myriad of demographics.

if it was simply an issue of them needing a bathroom to go to, the first step would have been private single use bathrooms, or genderless bathrooms. Its not like some in society are pushing to remove those options.

I mean its definitely not an emergency. but its not like its only the cis-gendered who are making it an issue. maybe its because I live in Atlanta where there aren't a lot of conservatives but the voices I hear are wanting in to bathrooms, not to keep people out.

 

[NashVol11]

I agree that trans people have existed for centuries and have been using the bathroom of the opposite sex for just as long. Where you have it wrong is it wasn't the anti-trans propaganda machine that brought it to light, it was the shove trans down everyone's throat propaganda machine that changed the status quo. It was when the pushers decided people just have to accept a person of the opposite sex disrobing openly in the locker room or watching them disrobe that the backlash started.

The trans-related bills that started popping up were anti-trans bills seeking to STOP trans people from entering certain bathrooms, not pro-trans people “shoving it down your throat” by passing bills to enter bathrooms. Not surprised that this narrative came with zero examples and is based on vibes

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I agree that trans people have existed for centuries and have been using the bathroom of the opposite sex for just as long. Where you have it wrong is it wasn't the anti-trans propaganda machine that brought it to light, it was the shove trans down everyone's throat propaganda machine that changed the status quo. It was when the pushers decided people just have to accept a person of the opposite sex disrobing openly in the locker room or watching them disrobe that the backlash started.

Gendered bathrooms weren't really a thing until the late 1800's, just FYI.

 

[hog88]

The trans-related bills that started popping up were anti-trans bills seeking to STOP trans people from entering certain bathrooms, not pro-trans people “shoving it down your throat” by passing bills to enter bathrooms. Not surprised that this narrative came with zero examples and is based on vibes

Those bills were in response to the push for trans people to use whatever facilities they wanted.

 

[hog88]

Gendered bathrooms weren't really a thing until the late 1800's, just FYI.

True, back then most public bathrooms were one hitters with a lockable door.