the Read Option and the Running Game

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DD4ME said:
What wasn't true was that last year's line sucked or worse that this years couldn't be worse. I worried then that those theories would come crashing down on our head this year.
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Yeah, it made me laugh when people convinced themselves that 5 new starters was a good thing. Last year's line may have underperformed slightly, but they were still pretty good and growing pains for this year's o-line were inevitable.
 
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Nuctech777 said:
The QB is supposed to read the defensive end on the read option and determine whether or not to keep it. If the end crashes then he is aupposed to keep it. The problem is, the ends are crashing eveytime and Worley will not keep it. He looks to have an easy 5 yard gain on alot of these plays but he hands it off almost everytime. For the read option to be effective, he has to start keeping a few to keep the defense honest.
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The backside de is not the man making the play.
 
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Special Ed said:
The running backs coach, Gillespie, is on record saying he's not bothered by our RBs not being able to bust loose for more than six yards. Therefore, I'd say the buck stops with him.
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When you have to lie to make a point, you really don't have a point.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The backside de is not the man making the play.
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It blows my mind that people don't get that. The inside zone does not get stuffed because of the QB. If anything, it's even harder on Worley to run the read because the backside DE can stay home and not worry about helping inside because he doesn't have to.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
If we line up in the I on first down everyone in the stadium is going to know whats coming. Our O-line is good enough to get 8 or 9 guys blocked up.
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A couple of play action passes would remedy that. I know we are not going to change to a pro scheme but I think we could add elements to play more to our strengths.
 
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Hurd, Lane, and whatever TE'S play Saturday will be busy busy people picking up blitzes and or avoiding them.
 
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It really doesn't matter what they call it, who is defending what, or whether Worley is the best or worst quarterback ever depending on how hard you touted him in the Spring until they either get better play out of the current offensive line or upgrade it through recruiting.

This o line has been opening up few if any running lanes for the running backs.

If they can't do it against Arkansas ST or Utah ST, I don't see them doing it against better competition.

It's going to be up to the staff to try and make some adjustments to the team strengths throughout the season. I don't think running the ball is going to be a strength.
 
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Wouldn't surprise me to see Worley throw it 40+ times and try to screen them to death.
 
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Many of you are complaining about the oline and it is honestly equal parts oline, youth and RB's.
If you truly understand zone blocking and the read option you would see Worley rarely makes the wrong read.

ONLY thing I think the staff should do is toss in some triple option concepts every now and then.
When Meyer had Leak his staff would do this. Just my 2 cents but I dont get paid millions and spend 80 hours a week coaching football, so I hate being too critical
 
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GAVol said:
It blows my mind that people don't get that. The inside zone does not get stuffed because of the QB. If anything, it's even harder on Worley to run the read because the backside DE can stay home and not worry about helping inside because he doesn't have to.
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That's assuming none of the LBs are involved in stuffing the inside run and its strictly the DL shutting it down. Just because the read is the DE or outside backer at the LOS doesn't mean they are the only ones being held in their spot because the ball could go the opposite direction. Unless DCs are coaching their LBs to not flow to the ball and the DE is the only guy responsible for getting the QB to the ground.
 
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DD4ME said:
I believe the fuel tankers are on standby for a plethora of jet sweeps.
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Agreed. That what I was getting at earlier with my Pig at QB post. It's going to take stuff like that, end arounds, reverses etc to keep them honest because I'm not sure we can run it well enough to stay on the field.
 
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GAVol said:
Wouldn't surprise me to see Worley throw it 40+ times and try to screen them to death.
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I see them throwing it early and often. If the OL can't hold up and Worley can't get a few down field at some point that wont work very long.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I see them throwing it early and often. If the OL can't hold up and Worley can't get a few down field at some point that wont work very long.
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I've not seen Butch and Bajakian do this yet. What I fear most for us fans is you're going to see more of what we've already seen. Which leaves people with a lot of what ifs. Butch and Bajakian seem to be hugely devoted to their style. Expect maybe more jet sweeps like what we saw last year. Expect some pistol formation runs as we have lined up in that some. Be prepared for fairly balanced attempts regardless of the results though. I think we'll have more successes than we did last year IF Wolf is back and because of Hurd. Both freshman have done really well overall in blocking.
 
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GAVol said:
Yep. The notion that you can't run from the spread without a running QB is goofy. By that logic, you'd need a running QB to run from any formation.
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True.

If your QB is not a running threat enough that the D has to account for it, the read portion of the spread running game is worthless and needs to be scraped. The delay in the handoff is working against the RB and the OL at that point. You can still run out of the formation as you have said it just needs to be schemed different. With this OL the gains may me minimal but they would be gains none the less.
 
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They run the read option less than 10 times per game the rest are straight hand offs. Neither is working because of the zone blocking scheme used by the oline. They used the same scheme last year with 4 NFL linemen on the roster and still could not run the football effectively. Here are the rushing yards from the games where it mattered.
178 Oregon
66 Florida
189 UGA
146 USC
127 Alabama
94 Mizou
226 Auburn

Piled up big yardage against Oregon and Auburn but were pummeled in those games.

After watching 14 games its still not clear to me what type of offense we want to run.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
They run the read option less than 10 times per game the rest are straight hand offs. Neither is working because of the zone blocking scheme used by the oline. They used the same scheme last year with 4 NFL linemen on the roster and still could not run the football effectively. Here are the rushing yards from the games where it mattered.
178 Oregon
66 Florida
189 UGA
146 USC
127 Alabama
94 Mizou
226 Auburn

Piled up big yardage against Oregon and Auburn but were pummeled in those games.

After watching 14 games its still not clear to me what type of offense we want to run.
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Zone Blocking is the way to go, had last years line spent 2 years learning the concepts they wouldve been off the charts good last year.
I coach middle school and scrapped traditional blocking for zone years ago.
Just my 2 cents.
 
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DD4ME said:
I've not seen Butch and Bajakian do this yet. What I fear most for us fans is you're going to see more of what we've already seen. Which leaves people with a lot of what ifs. Butch and Bajakian seem to be hugely devoted to their style. Expect maybe more jet sweeps like what we saw last year. Expect some pistol formation runs as we have lined up in that some. Be prepared for fairly balanced attempts regardless of the results though. I think we'll have more successes than we did last year IF Wolf is back and because of Hurd. Both freshman have done really well overall in blocking.
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I don't mind the scheme itself but it doesn't appear to fit the current roster specifically the OL and QB. When that is evident you have make adjustments or continue to struggle . Im curious to see what they do different going forward. You can't completely hide deficiencies but the good coaches take the bad and minimize it.
 
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Hey guys, longtime reader, first-time poster here. The success of our run game against OK will have a lot to do with the defense they show us. USU and ASU both stacked the box to defend the run, and challenged us to hit the short passes, which we did pretty well. I'm guessing OK will have more confidence in their DL and ILBs to stop our run, put more pressure on our TEs and WRs, and try to force Worley to throw long, which seems to be a weakness. With fewer defenders in the box, I think we have a shot at being more successful with the run. OK will have a bigger, stronger DL, but I think Lane and Hurd will be up for the job and maybe break a couple of long ones.
 
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governmentmule said:
what do you think about it ? I haven't been really impressed with it so far,Worley has been looking really good passing from it

but it looks to me that it is hurting the run game and we all know you need to have a solid running game in the SEC

i know that the read option needs a running Quarter Back to make it work,UT doesn't have that,and no Dobbs evidently isn't the answer,he had his chance last year to take over the team and he hasn't

what is the average running play ? 3.7 yards per carry,counting Worleys yards?

to me the running plays are slow to develop and when the Offensive Line does open up a hole,it closes quickly,while they are doing the slow hand off in the back field

I have no idea what they will do to fix it.or if they will do something different come Saturday night,the Vols will need to control the clock and make first downs

I'm sure most of you have had some thoughts along the same line,what do you think the Vols will do something different come Saturday or will it look the same ?
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Texas A&M, Misery and OU disagree. Spread the formation, use a lot of motion to confuse the defenses and then go with up-tempo. The Ds in the SEC are built to stop the run. They utilize just above average d-backs to play man while the the front 7 get down and dirty in the trenches.

OU beat Bama with an average run game at best last season. Texas A&M and Misery have had a great deal of success in the SEC running the same offensive style. Give your team time for those youngsters to adjust to the college game. Later this season and into next you will see UT having the same success against the traditional SEC defenses.
 
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