the Read Option and the Running Game

[Special Ed]

I was being sarcastic.

 

[Vol8188]

Because the QB, in a typical read option, keeps when the end crashes down on the running back. With our system, even when the end crashes down and goes after the back, the back is still the one that gets the ball. The QB only seems to keep about 2-3 times per game, and those keeps only seem to occur when we're either A) near the goal line, or B) when the entire defense flows to the back, and has done so a few times previously.

Now, with the power play (or inverted veer) I was talking about previously, Worley looks like he's reading the defense; it's 50/50 whether he keeps or whether he hands off.

I can't speak for Butch Jones, but it seems to me that he has this look to his base offense because it gives the look of a read option without having to have the chemistry required to run it effectively. He also gets to control how many times his QB runs the ball and limit the punishment that the QB would take in a typical read option offense. It seems that Jones calls the QB keeper when the entire defense gets way too comfortable with defending our typical IZ/OZ plays.

Not to mention, Jones runs a lot of packaged sets, so even if the RB is getting keyed on a lot, he can run WR screens out of the same play action look and get a similar effect to the read option in that respect.

I've not seen the DE make the play on the running back. So I don't think they've been crashing that hard. And I've not seen as much inverted veer as you say you have, although I didn't get to see all of game 2. Could you tell me what quarter you saw this in?

I did see us read the lb off jet sweep a few times, but that's a basic zone concept

 

[KingNick865]

I've not seen the DE make the play on the running back. So I don't think they've been crashing that hard. And I've not seen as much inverted veer as you say you have, although I didn't get to see all of game 2. Could you tell me what quarter you saw this in?

I did see us read the lb off jet sweep a few times, but that's a basic zone concept

They're hedging on the back more or less, but it's more or less the same idea; the end is playing the back, so the QB should keep, and Worley doesn't do that. At first, I thought this was a Worley issue, until I saw Dobbs "read" the play much the same way. That's when I started to wonder if there's actually a read concept to the play to start with.

The IV isn't a main play -- in watching the Utah State game, I saw us run the IV play 3 times, but it's definitely there and we definitely run it. I believe our 2nd-3rd TD (sometime in the 1st-2nd quarter?) in the Utah State game is off of the IV, and I know we ran it in the 4th quarter of that same game as well. I'll have to go back and rewatch the Arkansas State game to see how much it's ran in the 2nd game.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

Need to get a fullback involved to decrease the amount of zero or lost yardage plays. Its the only way to pound the rock even with the box full. The opponents are currently defending our ground game with their front 4.

 

[Vol8188]

Need to get a fullback involved to decrease the amount of zero or lost yardage plays. Its the only way to pound the rock even with the box full. The opponents are currently defending our ground game with their front 4.

I couldn't disagree more. Zone teams always lead the NFL in fewest negative plays.

And I teams can't handle a loaded box the way a spread team can. I teams get outnumbered to easily.

 

[Vol8188]

They're hedging on the back more or less, but it's more or less the same idea; the end is playing the back, so the QB should keep, and Worley doesn't do that. At first, I thought this was a Worley issue, until I saw Dobbs "read" the play much the same way. That's when I started to wonder if there's actually a read concept to the play to start with.

The IV isn't a main play -- in watching the Utah State game, I saw us run the IV play 3 times, but it's definitely there and we definitely run it. I believe our 2nd-3rd TD (sometime in the 1st-2nd quarter?) in the Utah State game is off of the IV, and I know we ran it in the 4th quarter of that same game as well. I'll have to go back and rewatch the Arkansas State game to see how much it's ran in the 2nd game.

I saw us zone read jet sweep, but it was the backside lb. If we did read the playside de, I missed it.

As far as the few keeps, that's what most zone read teams want. Mariota doesn't pull it that often either, and he is a far better athlete. I don't believe that means they are calling it. I just think they ask Worley to be selective about when he pulls, because no one wants there qb carrying the ball 10-15 times a game.

Also Worley has said in interviews that he didn't pull enough last season. That's another indication that they are reading it. I honestly think the whole thing is worthless if you don't read it, and I would never call it.

I think we will see a few more pulls against better competition, but still only 5-8 total carries for Worley.

 

[Freak]

Relevant comment from Butch on Vol Calls (summarized)

-Asked about Worley running: We will see some of that. He needs to get down and slide. We've also played with a backside tight end more this year which eliminates some of those reads. We've got to get Hurd going as well.

 

[vol-un-tear]

I just hope Worley will keep the ball at least 3-6 times per game. He might not be a serious threat to take the ball down the field on any of those keeps, but at least it forces their D to stay honest. And that might be what keeps that hole Lane or Hurd needs to be open for just a second longer.

No fumble this time :crazy:

 

[Rooster1]

what do you think about it ? I haven't been really impressed with it so far,Worley has been looking really good passing from it

but it looks to me that it is hurting the run game and we all know you need to have a solid running game in the SEC

i know that the read option needs a running Quarter Back to make it work,UT doesn't have that,and no Dobbs evidently isn't the answer,he had his chance last year to take over the team and he hasn't

what is the average running play ? 3.7 yards per carry,counting Worleys yards?

to me the running plays are slow to develop and when the Offensive Line does open up a hole,it closes quickly,while they are doing the slow hand off in the back field

I have no idea what they will do to fix it.or if they will do something different come Saturday night,the Vols will need to control the clock and make first downs

I'm sure most of you have had some thoughts along the same line,what do you think the Vols will do something different come Saturday or will it look the same ?

Worley better get some time to throw, not likely OK will allow much rushing to be done. Their front seven likely will see to that versus an inexperienced OL. If that front seven puts UT in obvious passing downs, ouch.

 

[bam15]

If you don't run the zone plays with a QB option, you're behind the times. If you don't have pass options built into the zone plays with a QB option, you're even further behind the times.