the Read Option and the Running Game

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ralncvol said:
Hey guys, longtime reader, first-time poster here. The success of our run game against OK will have a lot to do with the defense they show us. USU and ASU both stacked the box to defend the run, and challenged us to hit the short passes, which we did pretty well. I'm guessing OK will have more confidence in their DL and ILBs to stop our run, put more pressure on our TEs and WRs, and try to force Worley to throw long, which seems to be a weakness. With fewer defenders in the box, I think we have a shot at being more successful with the run. OK will have a bigger, stronger DL, but I think Lane and Hurd will be up for the job and maybe break a couple of long ones.
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I agree that the first two teams loaded the box and we did respond well with the short passing game.

I haven't seen a ton of Oklahoma defense the last few years, but I think they may sit back with two deep safeties all night and dare us to run it. If so, we could see the running game pick up a bit.
 
#52
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Vol8188 said:
I agree that the first two teams loaded the box and we did respond well with the short passing game.

I haven't seen a ton of Oklahoma defense the last few years, but I think they may sit back with two deep safeties all night and dare us to run it. If so, we could see the running game pick up a bit.
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Big bruiser style running backs have had a fair amount of success against OU's defenses the past couple of years. Look at Henry in the Sugar, OU couldn't tackle him. Scat backs, though, get crushed early on, usually behind the line.

Short, quick passes over the middle tend to bring a lot of success vs the Sooner D.

With this season's front 7 on D, I wouldn't expect UT to generate a huge run threat. Not because UT doesn't have the talent, but because they don't have the experience or size atm.

Mike Stoops is going to blitz A LOT, and will almost always have 4-5 guys rushing, even in the base 3-4. The key Saturday will be for UT to avoid the 3rd and mid-long. If it's third and more than 4 or 5 yards, 7 Sooners will come crashing through the line at the snap, led by Striker....

I look forward to a good game. I think UT will play better than most people think. I just don't think 2014 is the year they beat OU. 2015? That's a different story... and I'll be at THAT game.
 
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#55
Another thing to consider, we're also throwing the football out of that inside zone play.
 
#56
#56
I'd also like to mention that you guys played Utah State and Arky State your first two games. There's no way your coaches opened up the real playbook during those games. I can guarantee you they went as vanilla as possible so that they didn't show OU anything on the game tapes. I think you all will be mildly happy with what you see from the read option going forward.
 
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VaSoonerFan said:
I'd also like to mention that you guys played Utah State and Arky State your first two games. There's no way your coaches opened up the real playbook during those games. I can guarantee you they went as vanilla as possible so that they didn't show OU anything on the game tapes. I think you all will be mildly happy with what you see from the read option going forward.
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With the way some posters on here talk, we lost the first two games by 50 points.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Are you watching the same team? I didn't see the whole game last week, but we threw the ball all night against Utah State.
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The better Ds will sit on the short stuff if don't prove you can get behind em at some point. You may have some early success but it won't last long if that's all you got.

The first 2 teams had to load up to stop the run and hope we made some mistakes somewhere. We didn't and won in spite of not being able to run it well.

OU is prolly good enough to slow down the run with the front 4. That's something the first 2 opponents couldn't accomplish.
 
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Freak said:
Another thing to consider, we're also throwing the football out of that inside zone play.
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i looked at UTs stats,on there web site,it was for total rushing yards per year and it quit at 08 ,2012 they were 381 yards behind,amazing at the information you can find there :)
 
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VaSoonerFan said:
I'd also like to mention that you guys played Utah State and Arky State your first two games. There's no way your coaches opened up the real playbook during those games. I can guarantee you they went as vanilla as possible so that they didn't show OU anything on the game tapes. I think you all will be mildly happy with what you see from the read option going forward.
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i hate to say it,but we heard the same thing last year
 
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VaSoonerFan said:
Big bruiser style running backs have had a fair amount of success against OU's defenses the past couple of years. Look at Henry in the Sugar, OU couldn't tackle him. Scat backs, though, get crushed early on, usually behind the line.

Short, quick passes over the middle tend to bring a lot of success vs the Sooner D.

With this season's front 7 on D, I wouldn't expect UT to generate a huge run threat. Not because UT doesn't have the talent, but because they don't have the experience or size atm.

Mike Stoops is going to blitz A LOT, and will almost always have 4-5 guys rushing, even in the base 3-4. The key Saturday will be for UT to avoid the 3rd and mid-long. If it's third and more than 4 or 5 yards, 7 Sooners will come crashing through the line at the snap, led by Striker....

I look forward to a good game. I think UT will play better than most people think. I just don't think 2014 is the year they beat OU. 2015? That's a different story... and I'll be at THAT game.
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UT has the RBs but does not have the OL play required.

UT will probably get the ball out of Worleys hands early to take the heat off the OL. We don't seem to exploit the middle much right now and stay more on the perimeter.

UT will have to get creative to run the ball and will need some success down field to help with that even so. Hard to say what they can get in that regard. It all starts with the time required to make it work and a semi accurate pass.

I think Stoops (if he is smart) will lay back early and see what his front 4 can do, it may be that he doesn't have to blitz as often if UTs OL can't hold up.

UT doesn't have the LOS talent and depth yet. OU should win the football game. For UT t have a chance to win they have to play over their heads and OU will have to help them a little.
15' should see 2 teams more equal in ability.
 
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Special Ed said:
Are the running backs being sarcastic when they respond to his coaching by gaining only 2 or 3 yards on a carry?
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I think the running backs are just trying to make Special Ed from volnation happy by keeping they ypc stat down below 4. They don't want to let you down and look good. It was a sarcastic statement by a coach who's frustrated because the backs are there that can run the ball, the o-line isn't getting the push to give them the one on ones with the lbs and secondary that we need to bust big plays. And more then likely everytime he turns around he is getting asked that question. I'm sure you never make sarcastic statements about stuff though.
 
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ralncvol said:
Hey guys, longtime reader, first-time poster here. The success of our run game against OK will have a lot to do with the defense they show us. USU and ASU both stacked the box to defend the run, and challenged us to hit the short passes, which we did pretty well. I'm guessing OK will have more confidence in their DL and ILBs to stop our run, put more pressure on our TEs and WRs, and try to force Worley to throw long, which seems to be a weakness. With fewer defenders in the box, I think we have a shot at being more successful with the run. OK will have a bigger, stronger DL, but I think Lane and Hurd will be up for the job and maybe break a couple of long ones.
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Welcome. Post more often. :hi:
 
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velovol said:
Zone Blocking is the way to go, had last years line spent 2 years learning the concepts they wouldve been off the charts good last year.
I coach middle school and scrapped traditional blocking for zone years ago.
Just my 2 cents.
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I agree it should be a good system. The problem the last 4 years has been negative or zero yardage rushing plays, way too many each game. I would guess 8 to 10 in the first 2 games this year. The difference in getting 1 or 2 yards minimum on very play is the difference in having or not having a running game.
 
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BeecherVol said:
UT has the RBs but does not have the OL play required.

UT will probably get the ball out of Worleys hands early to take the heat off the OL. We don't seem to exploit the middle much right now and stay more on the perimeter.

UT will have to get creative to run the ball and will need some success down field to help with that even so. Hard to say what they can get in that regard. It all starts with the time required to make it work and a semi accurate pass.

I think Stoops (if he is smart) will lay back early and see what his front 4 can do, it may be that he doesn't have to blitz as often if UTs OL can't hold up.

UT doesn't have the LOS talent and depth yet. OU should win the football game. For UT t have a chance to win they have to play over their heads and OU will have to help them a little.
15' should see 2 teams more equal in ability.
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If the passing game tries to stay on the perimeter they are going to get burned. They'll stay away from Sanchez who has an interception in 4 straight games going back to last season.

Butch is a top notch coach and knows this. I would NOT be surprised to see most of the passes go across the middle where UT's slot and TE can create a more favorable mismatch. THAT's how they will open up the running game.
 
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We aren't actually running the read option -- it's a inside or outside zone play with a read option look. Whether the RB runs the play as designed or the QB keeps the ball is called pre-snap; there's no reading of the defense involved, and that's why it's not a read option play.

We actually do have a read play; it's an inverted veer (or power read as it's also known), but that's called noticeably less often -- in the Utah State game, we called the inverted veer 3 times (two with jet motion from the slot, one with Devrin Young standing back in the gun).
 
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KingNick865 said:
We aren't actually running the read option -- it's a inside or outside zone play with a read option look. Whether the RB runs the play as designed or the QB keeps the ball is called pre-snap; there's no reading of the defense involved, and that's why it's not a read option play.

We actually do have a read play; it's an inverted veer (or power read as it's also known), but that's called noticeably less often -- in the Utah State game, we called the inverted veer 3 times (two with jet motion from the slot, one with Devrin Young standing back in the gun).
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What makes you think we are not reading it?
 
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I'm not concerned with the running game, knowing that this is an inexperienced O-line and a true freshman RB. As the season progresses, they will get better and better. I expect us to start pulling off some good chunk runs pretty soon. Hurd has been one tackle away from breaking loose several times...as he adjusts to the college game, with his size and talent he'll be running wild before you know it.
 
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Vol8188 said:
What makes you think we are not reading it?
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Because the QB, in a typical read option, keeps when the end crashes down on the running back. With our system, even when the end crashes down and goes after the back, the back is still the one that gets the ball. The QB only seems to keep about 2-3 times per game, and those keeps only seem to occur when we're either A) near the goal line, or B) when the entire defense flows to the back, and has done so a few times previously.

Now, with the power play (or inverted veer) I was talking about previously, Worley looks like he's reading the defense; it's 50/50 whether he keeps or whether he hands off.

I can't speak for Butch Jones, but it seems to me that he has this look to his base offense because it gives the look of a read option without having to have the chemistry required to run it effectively. He also gets to control how many times his QB runs the ball and limit the punishment that the QB would take in a typical read option offense. It seems that Jones calls the QB keeper when the entire defense gets way too comfortable with defending our typical IZ/OZ plays.

Not to mention, Jones runs a lot of packaged sets, so even if the RB is getting keyed on a lot, he can run WR screens out of the same play action look and get a similar effect to the read option in that respect.
 
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