The REAL Reason Why Ohio State Only Dropped 4 Places After Losing To Michigan

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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
It’s weird how that screwed things up since it was still well within their discretion to just do what they wanted.

Also weird how 4 people on the committee outweighed the 9 with no Big 10 ties, especially given that one of those 4 is a journalist who only has a connection to the Big 10 through her alma mater, and another is Mike Riley, who is more of an Oregon State guy and got unceremoniously fired by Nebraska.
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The committee isn’t a democracy. The Chair has final call.
 
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sammy80 said:
BS they lost to Michigan AT HOME…..we lost to Arkansas on the road….very big difference
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Usually....losing on the road or at home is a HUGE difference maker in these types of scenarios. I guess this can all be spun however one chooses to prove their point.
 
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UT97Vol said:
The committee isn’t a democracy. The Chair has final call.
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I would like to know where you heard this. The chair is basically like a foreperson on a jury. They are there to one, be the spokesperson for the group, but to also facilitate discussions and make sure that they are adhering to the established criteria.
 
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Boston Vol said:
I would like to know where you heard this. The chair is basically like a foreperson on a jury. They are there to one, be the spokesperson for the group, but to also facilitate discussions and make sure that they are adhering to the established criteria.
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I assure you the Chair is more than just a spokesperson. The committee uses a computer program by Sportsource Analytics and they rank teams anonymously (allegedly) but afterward the Chair is also allowed to raise incongruence issues and they discuss. Which makes the whole anonymous part kind of moot. As is the fact you can rank the teams and then move them around afterwards if you don’t like the output.

If you all think it was just coincidence that every single outcome benefitted the Big 10 boy do I have a deal for you. Hit me up with a private message cause I got some stuff to sell.
 
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volbound1700 said:
The more I think about it, I think it came down to Ohio State beat Penn State and that was (on paper) a bigger win than our win over 9-3 Alabama.

The real issue is Penn State. They had 2 losses as well and played no one. The committee put too much energy into not having the Conference Championship Games not dock teams and it messed up the field.

Ohio State wasn't a fraud. They played Oregon close and beat Penn State. It was Indiana and Penn State from the B1G that had bloated records.

Giving a G5 team a bye week and a 3 seed was a joke as well. If you give Notre Dame that seed and move teams up, we are the 8 seed and hosting.
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This nails it. Penn State, Indiana, and the two byes and high seeds to schools who had no business being that high were the problems.

I've said it before, but is they had simply taken the final CFP rankings (as much of a joke as they are in some ways), given the byes to the top 4 teams in the rankings and simply given bids to conference champs, the bracket would look legit.

And we would be hosting SMU next weekend with Georgia next up.
 
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UT97Vol said:
I assure you the Chair is more than just a spokesperson. The committee uses a computer program by Sportsource Analytics and they rank teams anonymously (allegedly) but afterward the Chair is also allowed to raise incongruence issues and they discuss. Which makes the whole anonymous part kind of moot. As is the fact you can rank the teams and then move them around afterwards if you don’t like the output.

If you all think it was just coincidence that every single outcome benefitted the Big 10 boy do I have a deal for you. Hit me up with a private message cause I got some stuff to sell.
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That doesn’t assure me of anything.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
OSU is hosting because they have two wins against playoff teams.
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This. I think Tennessee played better down the stretch though. I think they're playing the best football they've played all year, barring the games against the cupcakes. Getting hot at the right time is a thing, and can be big come playoff time. It won't matter, though. WGWTFA wherever they play this game. I would like to say that going forward, let's leave the goalposts alone when we win one at Neyland. We should start tearing down THEIR goalpost when we win one on the road, imo.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Yeah but they’re Indiana and Penn State. 😂
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Two real juggernauts!
Power_Sweep_Vol said:
Every objective power rating has both PennSt and Indiana as top 15 teams
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And, with respect to the various credible power ratings to which you refer, what are the stated “objective” criteria each uses to determine top 15 teams? Are the criteria weighted and where is this information published?

Clearly, people seem genuinely confused about the process and feel that decisions around team selection, seedings, byes, and home field are based on biased feelings or subjective reasons. A little transparency would go a long way.
 
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A lot of media people went to Ohio State. Media, aka advertising, has a lot of influence.
 
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volbound1700 said:
The more I think about it, I think it came down to Ohio State beat Penn State and that was (on paper) a bigger win than our win over 9-3 Alabama.

The real issue is Penn State. They had 2 losses as well and played no one. The committee put too much energy into not having the Conference Championship Games not dock teams and it messed up the field.

Ohio State wasn't a fraud. They played Oregon close and beat Penn State. It was Indiana and Penn State from the B1G that had bloated records.

Giving a G5 team a bye week and a 3 seed was a joke as well. If you give Notre Dame that seed and move teams up, we are the 8 seed and hosting.
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I think that all B10 are fraudulent from top to bottom tbf. Including Oregon. I honestly think the first real test to Tennessee will be Texas in semifinal. The SEC teams will dominate this playoff. South Carolina, Mississippi, and Alabama are all better teams than any other playoff team aside from the SEC and Notre Dame. Notre Dame is better than all of the B10 and are being overlooked because of that bad first loss. TIFWIW
 
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DaddyChad said:
Yeah but they’re Indiana and Penn State. 😂
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Can you imagine us saying the same thing if we beat a 10-1 Kentucky and a 10-1 Vanderbilt? I think it was fair of the committee to reward those teams and keep Bama out. The seeding with some of the conference champs seems weird, but I still think conference championships should matter and I don't have a big problem with it. I do think after the first round of playoff games, teams should be reseeded for playing the top 4. That would eliminate the weird possibilities we have now. I don't want to see playoffs expand more.
 
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OSU is not very good. Honestly if both teams played their best, TN should win. IF being the key word. We all know how undisciplined we play on the road, especially at night. Heard is guaranteed at least two illegal procedure, drive killing penalties. The OL as a whole another 2-3 holding, drive killing penalties. We've seen this same crap all season. No reason to think it will stop in Columbus.
 
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I call BS on that Rocky Top 341 times stat. I was at the Kent St game and I think that number was beat on that game alone lol.
 
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I have calmed a little on Ohio State. They should have been seeded ahead of Tennessee logically because they beat 2 playoff teams: Indiana and Penn State while Tennessee has beaten 0 playoff teams.

I do think the SOS could be equal if you count the fact that Penn State and Indiana are bloated teams but that stat is hard to overcome.

Issue is Boise State and the way they are doing the 1-4 seeds. I also think BYU should have gotten the nod over SMU. BYU beat SMU and had a harder SOS.
 
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WillisWG said:
Old news, let's move along.
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Man, are you ever correct. The legions of the miserable. This disgruntled crowd has been moaning and lashing out at the "committee" for @ 7 weeks now. Adjectives like ridiculous, corrupt, etc etc.
Here's what our team needs to do ... Win vs whoever is in front of us, or shut up. The field.and goal posts are identical anywhere, so just win.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I have calmed a little on Ohio State. They should have been seeded ahead of Tennessee logically because they beat 2 playoff teams: Indiana and Penn State while Tennessee has beaten 0 playoff teams.

I do think the SOS could be equal if you count the fact that Penn State and Indiana are bloated teams but that stat is hard to overcome.

Issue is Boise State and the way they are doing the 1-4 seeds. I also think BYU should have gotten the nod over SMU. BYU beat SMU and had a harder SOS.
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I will just say this, no one wants another 2008 “Sugar Bowl” where Georgia was ranked #5 and Hawaii was ranked #10. Georgia won that game 41-10 and it was 41-3 in the forth quarter. We all knew Hawaii was overrated even though they had a winning record. I think the same could be said about Boise State, and a couple of others. Just because you have a winning season, doesn’t make you one of the top (toughest) teams.
 
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BradentonVol said:
I will just say this, no one wants another 2008 “Sugar Bowl” where Georgia was ranked #5 and Hawaii was ranked #10. Georgia won that game 41-10 and it was 41-3 in the forth quarter. We all knew Hawaii was overrated even though they had a winning record. I think the same could be said about Boise State, and a couple of others. Just because you have a winning season, doesn’t make you one of the top (toughest) teams.
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It's a bit different for Boise State, isn't it? Their only loss is by 3 on the road to the #1 team, after all.
 
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kckempf said:
It's a bit different for Boise State, isn't it? Their only loss is by 3 on the road to the #1 team, after all.
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But who else have they really played? Their schedule just doesn’t impress me.🤷🏻
Maybe they prove me wrong but at this moment, I think Florida would beat them handily.
In 2007 Hawaii was undefeated @ 12-0, did that make them a “powerhouse”?
 
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BradentonVol said:
But who else have they really played? Their schedule just doesn’t impress me.🤷🏻
Maybe they prove me wrong but at this moment, I think Florida would beat them handily.
In 2008, Hawaii only had 1 loss too (don’t remember who to).
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The 2 wins over UNLV are better than any of Indiana's wins, and their last second loss to Oregon was as close as anyone has played them. I don't mind them getting a bye at all, especially with Indiana and Notre Dame being the other 1 loss teams, both with worse losses. I don't even mind ASU getting the other bye, ultimately one of the trade offs for having a giant conference is you only get one bye no matter how good your conference is.
 
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