The Reason UT Can No Longer Sign Elite WRs

[Defaultuser]

I think it's safe to say we lost games last year because we did not pick up first down to put the games away. We have an awesome backfield with a great running game but that didn't seem to win us the games in the second half with leads now did it. The point is our coaches had zero confidence in our passing game and it showed to the point were our opponents had no respect for it and now recruits are hearing about it.

That 4th down defense was great huh? Excellent example of telling part of the story in an attempt to sound smart.

 

[Mick]

That 4th down defense was great huh? Excellent example of telling part of the story in an attempt to sound smart.

We are talking about WR recruiting but I will agree that the 4th down defense sucked. I don't think any WR recruit gives a rats *** about our 4th down defense last year.

 

[junder13]

OMG...you're full of yourself! You SERIOUSLY think you're the first on here to state that Butch doesn't utilize the WRs properly? And your hard biting analysis was the leading receiver of each game last year? Oh...and the receivers we offered and eventually signed last year? You didn't break any new ground...just sogged it up with way too many words. :thud:

It's obvious that most on here are not favorable to my opinion or my writing style. So there's no real need for you to continue trying to twist my words against me. But as long as you do I will continue responding.

1) I stated that "to my knowledge" I was the first to put statistical evidence to the argument on WR under utilization in a public forum. If you want to laugh that away, fine. I challenge you to provide a link or reference a post that did so before I did. I also stated (and meant): "Any casual outside observer would recognize this. I know it's no great revelation." While providing the WR stats may not have been some great revelation or profound undertaking, it still, to my knowledge, was the first time done in a public forum. My only point with this is that I wasn't just pissing and moaning as a disgruntled fan for no reason. I was attempting to add value to the recent realization by fans that WR recruiting has become problematic.

2) It was analysis that provide the leading two receivers, as well as cumulative stats on all WRs during each game last year. Had I chose 2014 or 2013 it would have revealed the same but our team was also not as good those years (thus, most would have dismissed it even more than they attempt to now).

3) You mention the receivers we signed last year as though that unravels the point of my thread. I've already posted on here how many higher rated receivers that we were considered contenders for that signed elsewhere and compared those WR rankings to the ones who signed in the 2016 class. That got widely dismissed with the argument that even though they were underrated they'll be great nonetheless. While that may be true my point had nothing to do with how the 2016 WRs will during their college careers, nor whether I thought they were good myself. It was strictly that the most objective way of measuring our success recruiting WRs before they actually play at UT (composite position ranking) indicated that we did not sign our top targets last year. I've already stated how I think Callaway, Byrd, and others will make a difference here. That doesn't change the fact that Byrd was viewed as a DB until after he signed and Callaway was being hinted at as getting slow played by VQ all the way as late as November last year.

This is an example of why I start my own threads with topics like these. My points get lost in the pages of dialogue and my words often get twisted. People complain about the length of my posts and I get it, but what choice do I have when posters like butchna continue making dismissive comments about my flawed logic that I have already explained or discussed. That has always been his tactic, however. It just happens to be very effective it appears.

 

[bignewt]

tl, dnr

 

[junder13]

That 4th down defense was great huh? Excellent example of telling part of the story in an attempt to sound smart.

Oh, don't you worry. I'll be addressing this flawed logic later on after I finish my analysis on CBJ's offensive approach once we have a lead (I attribute it mainly to him and not the OCs bc it has been the same w/ Bajakian and his buddy DeBord -- which is why he replaced Bajakian with a figuratively speaking nepotistic hire IMO). I'm sure you and others alike will bemoan that analysis as much as this one and others I've provided in the past but I'll put it out there anyway.

Here's a little preview though:

Lots of fans attribute the Oklahoma loss to the fourth quarter collapse on the part of the defense. But the defense had played so great in the first 3 quarters that it should have never been a contested game in the first place.

1) After being up 17-0 following a Dobbs rushing TD with 12:14 remaining in the second quarter, UT was outscored 31-7

2) Down 17-3, OU started the second half with three three-and-outs in a row and their fourth possession led to an interception on the fourth play, resulting in UT starting at their own 29 yard. UT produced zero points from all four possessions (not counting the opening possession in which UT settled for a 48-yard field goal attempt that was missed).

3) OU was held without a first down on 6 of their first 12 possessions. OU started out 1-11 on third down (were 7-8 after that point). OU did not have a first down in the second half until 1:01 left in the third quarter (and the very next play was an interception).

4) In total, OU had 1 first down and 14 total yards of offense in the third quarter. Despite OU’s ineffective offense, UT never scored even with great field position each possession in the third quarter.

5) Until their 14-play, 80 yard scoring drive in the fourth quarter, OU had not had a single play in UT territory in the second half. The drive included two third down incompletions that resulted in first downs due to defensive holding penalties on C. Jumper (both were the first two first downs of the drive and both occurred before OU reached midfield; they were also only the second and third first downs of the second half for OU).

6) Mayfield was 8/25 for 84, no TDs, and two picks (both TKJr) in the first 3 quarters. He was 11/14 for 103 yards, 3 TDs and no picks in the fourth quarter and OT.

7) UT only had 44 yards of offense in the second quarter, only 5 first downs in the third quarter (not sure the yardage), and 8 yards of total offense in the fourth quarter.

8) Starting their last drive before the fourth quarter, ESPN showed a stat that OU was averaging only 14.7 yards a drive, which would have tied for the worst average over the last 10 seasons. That drive resulted in 4 plays, 11 yards, and an interception. Thus, heading into the fourth quarter, OU was on pace to have their worst average yards per drive in 10 seasons.

9) Upon taking a 17-0 lead early in the second quarter, UT had a total of 61 yards of total offense on the remaining 9 possessions in regulation – 45 of which came from the opening possession of the second half (51 yards on the first two plays before moving backwards). Officially, it would be 59 yards of total offense on the last 10 possessions of regulation, but I did not count the last possession (Dobbs took one knee to run out the clock).


That loss is not on the defense IMO, based on how well they performed in the first three quarters. The offense had plenty of opportunities to put the game out of reach and CBJ instead sat on the lead and hoped to end the game as abruptly as possible, beginning early in the second quarter.

I'll cover this more comprehensively as I get the time to do the analysis of other games. I'm covering every single drive after a two score lead is established against our opponents. You'll have plenty to contend with once I'm done so get ready.

 

[butchna]

That might be a good analogy if Webb only had one great run a season. Fail. :thud:

No...it's a "good analogy" because it was addressing a SINGLE GAME. Stay on course...you're meandering.

 

[jbr82]

Oh, don't you worry. I'll be addressing this flawed logic later on after I finish my analysis on CBJ's offensive approach once we have a lead (I attribute it mainly to him and not the OCs bc it has been the same w/ Bajakian and his buddy DeBord -- which is why he replaced Bajakian with a figuratively speaking nepotistic hire IMO). I'm sure you and others alike will bemoan that analysis as much as this one and others I've provided in the past but I'll put it out there anyway.

Here's a little preview though:

Lots of fans attribute the Oklahoma loss to the fourth quarter collapse on the part of the defense. But the defense had played so great in the first 3 quarters that it should have never been a contested game in the first place.

1) After being up 17-0 following a Dobbs rushing TD with 12:14 remaining in the second quarter, UT was outscored 31-7

2) Down 17-3, OU started the second half with three three-and-outs in a row and their fourth possession led to an interception on the fourth play, resulting in UT starting at their own 29 yard. UT produced zero points from all four possessions (not counting the opening possession in which UT settled for a 48-yard field goal attempt that was missed).

3) OU was held without a first down on 6 of their first 12 possessions. OU started out 1-11 on third down (were 7-8 after that point). OU did not have a first down in the second half until 1:01 left in the third quarter (and the very next play was an interception).

4) In total, OU had 1 first down and 14 total yards of offense in the third quarter. Despite OU’s ineffective offense, UT never scored even with great field position each possession in the third quarter.

5) Until their 14-play, 80 yard scoring drive in the fourth quarter, OU had not had a single play in UT territory in the second half. The drive included two third down incompletions that resulted in first downs due to defensive holding penalties on C. Jumper (both were the first two first downs of the drive and both occurred before OU reached midfield; they were also only the second and third first downs of the second half for OU).

6) Mayfield was 8/25 for 84, no TDs, and two picks (both TKJr) in the first 3 quarters. He was 11/14 for 103 yards, 3 TDs and no picks in the fourth quarter and OT.

7) UT only had 44 yards of offense in the second quarter, only 5 first downs in the third quarter (not sure the yardage), and 8 yards of total offense in the fourth quarter.

8) Starting their last drive before the fourth quarter, ESPN showed a stat that OU was averaging only 14.7 yards a drive, which would have tied for the worst average over the last 10 seasons. That drive resulted in 4 plays, 11 yards, and an interception. Thus, heading into the fourth quarter, OU was on pace to have their worst average yards per drive in 10 seasons.

9) Upon taking a 17-0 lead early in the second quarter, UT had a total of 61 yards of total offense on the remaining 9 possessions in regulation – 45 of which came from the opening possession of the second half (51 yards on the first two plays before moving backwards). Officially, it would be 59 yards of total offense on the last 10 possessions of regulation, but I did not count the last possession (Dobbs took one knee to run out the clock).


That loss is not on the defense IMO, based on how well they performed in the first three quarters. The offense had plenty of opportunities to put the game out of reach and CBJ instead sat on the lead and hoped to end the game as abruptly as possible, beginning early in the second quarter.

I'll cover this more comprehensively as I get the time to do the analysis of other games. I'm covering every single drive after a two score lead is established against our opponents. You'll have plenty to contend with once I'm done so get ready.

You got it! CBJ let off the gas peddle.
He completely ignored " put on more steam"

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

You got it! CBJ let off the gas peddle.
He completely ignored " put on more steam"

As red faced as Butch always seems to be, I'd think he's put on plenty of steam.