The Reason UT Can No Longer Sign Elite WRs

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junder13 said:
You have littered this thread with a total of 21 posts and counting and you have made only one counter argument relevant to the topic at hand: that the signing of Josh Malone and Preston Williams refutes my claim. Malone was a class of 2014 signee and Williams committed in September 2013, even before Malone's commitment. We fought tooth and nail to keep him in the 2015 class and thankfully we did. Neither are relevant to the topic, which is that poor usage of the WR position now prevents us from signing elite WRs.

Like all things in life, this is subject to change. Dobbs comes out firing in 2016 (as we hope he will) and proves that he can throw downfield and the higher rated WRs will come. Since this thread is started before the season, I am basing it off of what information we have to go with. I started the thread with the facts that are WR stats in 2015. I then drew my hypothesis on why WR recruiting has struggled since late last year into this year. I use the definition of elite as 5 star or top 50 based on the composite because that is the most objective means I know to use. What should I use? Bigtwit's opinion that Callaway is elite? Does bigtwit's opinion have any significance with HS football players carrying offers from UT? Does your opinion? If not, why should I use such subjective opinions.

Since you're the apparent voice of reason why don't you tell me the logical conclusion to weak WR numbers since the CBJ era started (not a single UT WR has placed in the top 100 for receiving yardage from 2013-2015) and a noticeable downward trend of recruiting the position. Feel free to use facts if you can.
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We had no talent...now we do. Bajakian's philosophies didn't translate...DeBord's seems to. Dobbs is gifted...but not as a passer. Rome wasn't built (or destroyed) in a day. There are people who whine and rant and whine and declare doom until things go right...then they wait for the next opportunity. :wink2: If a light comes on in Dobbs this year...you'll be scarce to nonexistent. You're not here to gently inform or express concern...you're a doomsayer...and without doom you go back in your hole. Hope you got a bankee. :)

And quit with the "facts" crap...you hunted and pecked rankings from scouting services. Glamorous and impressive as they are to you...they're not FACTS. FACTS have already HAPPENED! None of these kids have done sh!t! (See what I did there, Obi-Wan.). :)
 
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butchna said:
:lolabove: So those kids that commit as 8th graders don't count as wins in their EVENTUAL class? :lol: Pick and choose pick and choose. The cutoff point for classes that apply to your silly lil rant conveniently seem to fall JUST outside your rant window. :lol: And plunker? If God couldn't make you witty, your silly exclamation point attempt sure as hell won't. :lol:
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What does my wit have to do with anything. I don't see the humor in your troll job you do EVERY single time someone states negativity re: anything butch jones related or UT football (I'm not sure which you're more tied at the hip to). You rarely offer reasons to counter the poster's complaint and you always defer to deflection by calling the poster a crybaby or whiner.

The irony is you're the crybaby on VN. You can't handle any negativity towards your lil butchie. You whine and squeal about others whining and complaining about your po baby boy. You are the babara dooley of the CBJ era.

Let's all hope UT has the 2016 season we expect, otherwise it could get ugly
 
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junder13 said:
How about the topic at hand? How about adding something to it instead of bashing it with no points. You've not contributed a single bit of solid reasoning to the point of my thread. You've only shown you disagree (which is fine) with no fact based counter points as to why my opinion is wrong.

I agree that UT has seen solid improvement under Jones -- certainly in terms of roster talent as well as in wins. That doesn't mean that all points of contention aren't worthy of discussion. The reality (for me at least) is that we could have been much better in 2015 than we were. I think the lack of a vertical passing game and use of our WRs is a major reason why. ChavisUT made an astute point that it was no coincidence that the three lowest passing totals of our season came in 3 of our 4 losses.

But stating that something is not what it should be does not mean that you view pending doom for our program, an upcoming disappointment in the 2016 season and beyond, or even a disappointment in the overall 2017 recruiting class. Yet that is what you are trying to make this out to be. Well, its not.

So I ask you again, if you don't like my thread and the points I make, which I base on facts (2015 WR stats are facts, as it turns out), then why don't you offer counter points based on facts for your own opinion? It appears easier for you to use tactics of deflection and misdirection in support of your argument against my stated opinion. I suspect that's bc you cannot counter my argument that an inept passing game as it relates to the WR position has begun to impact recruiting the position. I'll add that Josh Malone and Preston Williams would not be reasonable retorts (as class idiot b1tchna countered), seeing as how Malone was part of the 2014 class and P Willy committed in September 2013.
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Really the only thing I had a problem with is the thread title, other than that I don't really care about your argument as it doesn't matter right now.

But if I am Fant and I am checking out VN and see this thread title, I may take objection to it. I don't need stats for that.
 
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butchna said:
We had no talent...now we do. Bajakian's philosophies didn't translate...DeBord's seems to. Dobbs is gifted...but not as a passer. Rome wasn't built (or destroyed) in a day. There are people who whine and rant and whine and declare doom until things go right...then they wait for the next opportunity. :wink2: If a light comes on in Dobbs this year...you'll be scarce to nonexistent. You're not here to gently inform or express concern...you're a doomsayer...and without doom you go back in your hole. Hope you got a bankee. :)
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I've been a UT fan my entire life and have no other team that I follow. I am far from a doomsayer but if I see something I don't agree with or a problem, I am quick to state my opinion -- especially when I see a barrage of opinions stated going in the opposite direction based not on fact. Notice I started this thread the day after Tee Higgins commitment to Clemson. Was that a doomsayer's opportunity to jump while VN most most susceptible? You would view it that way. In reality, it was a response as a result of seeing literally hundreds of posters post negativity towards a HS kid because he chose another school. I actually looked up all the stats that night but fell asleep before I could start the thread. Higgins choosing another school over UT was not surprising to me at all bc I've spent three years watching my team unable to utilize its wide receivers. Thus, when I saw a gang-up on Higgins I decided to post my opinion of why we are not getting elite WRs currently (including one 20 miles away from campus) and used facts (2015 WR statistics) to back my claim. It just so happens that right around the time I posted my hypothesis on this that the tides of opinion began to shift to "hmmm, maybe this is symptomatic of a problem with the UT offense, not Higgins". I'm not saying I caused public opinion to change but everyone is free to go back about 50 pages in Tee Higgin's thread and see that the possibility that UT's offense was partly to blame was *mostly* non-existent the day of his announcement.

So, barbarab1tch, what is your contribution to the topic at hand? Nothing but your dog feces that you characteristically always fling around in any thread where negativity is deemed to make an appearance. But you do make good use of those VN emojis as you drop your excrement everywhere. :shades:
 
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junder13 said:
What does my wit have to do with anything. I don't see the humor in your troll job you do EVERY single time someone states negativity re: anything butch jones related or UT football (I'm not sure which you're more tied at the hip to). You rarely offer reasons to counter the poster's complaint and you always defer to deflection by calling the poster a crybaby or whiner.

The irony is you're the crybaby on VN. You can't handle any negativity towards your lil butchie. You whine and squeal about others whining and complaining about your po baby boy. You are the babara dooley of the CBJ era.

Let's all hope UT has the 2016 season we expect, otherwise it could get ugly for b1tch boy, b1tchna. :cray:
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@%#*=+*^%#}{][nder I have expressed reservations about Butch in the past. Didn't think the Jerome Dews situation was handled well and trying to jam Crowder into the line in front of better talent was a mistake, along with numerous other personnel and strategy decisions through his tenure. Unlike you and other pretend experts, I recognize that said missteps are part of the growth of a coach. If they learn from them...they profit from the experience. If they don't? They have to profit from another profession. There is nothing in your little contrived bloated self-important mind, that he has missed in his coaching travails. Difference again, you're wrong...you stop posting (for a too short stint :)). Him? Hot seat and rumblings if there's a consistent pattern of such. I can sense your bruised feelings at my (unwanted) involvement in "your" thread. Wasn't interested until you took an innocent play on "doltish" and wrote a manifesto calling me out...spazzes are fun. :). And by no means cease, but your silly attempts with the exclamation point and paranoid portrayal of me as a paid shill of the program and enemy of your search for truth don't earn you any cool points...kinda like the kid at recess that didn't process sugar very well. Keep fighting Scooter. :lol:
 
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bignewt said:
Really the only thing I had a problem with is the thread title, other than that I don't really care about your argument as it doesn't matter right now.

But if I am Fant and I am checking out VN and see this thread title, I may take objection to it. I don't need stats for that.
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Well boo hoo. I'd hope he'd be a high caliber athlete and attempt to prove the recruiting sites who determine his rankings wrong. It's they not me that individually rank him, resulting in a composite peer ranking. But go ahead and cry about my thread title, big guy. :cray:

You've already stated how much of a man you are in another one of your completely offtopic and irrelevant (but consistent w your nature) posts in this thread, so I'm a bit surprised a thread title from a unimportant and nameless poster on VN can trouble you so.

Maybe you should create a thread of your own for your ilk to go back-and-forth about how blue the sky is and how manly each of you are for recognizing it as such. As long as you quit littering my thread with your nonsense than I'll be happy and I promise I won't make an appearance in your thread to discuss how the sky turns different colors depending on the time of day, placement of the sun, and each individual's visible spectrum. :hi:
 
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junder13 said:
I've been a UT fan my entire life and have no other team that I follow. I am far from a doomsayer but if I see something I don't agree with or a problem, I am quick to state my opinion -- especially when I see a barrage of opinions stated going in the opposite direction based not on fact. Notice I started this thread the day after Tee Higgins commitment to Clemson. Was that a doomsayer's opportunity to jump while VN most most susceptible? You would view it that way. In reality, it was a response as a result of seeing literally hundreds of posters post negativity towards a HS kid because he chose another school. I actually looked up all the stats that night but fell asleep before I could start the thread. Higgins choosing another school over UT was not surprising to me at all bc I've spent three years watching my team unable to utilize its wide receivers. Thus, when I saw a gang-up on Higgins I decided to post my opinion of why we are not getting elite WRs currently (including one 20 miles away from campus) and used facts (2015 WR statistics) to back my claim. It just so happens that right around the time I posted my hypothesis on this that the tides of opinion began to shift to "hmmm, maybe this is symptomatic of a problem with the UT offense, not Higgins". I'm not saying I caused public opinion to change but everyone is free to go back about 50 pages in Tee Higgin's thread and see that the possibility that UT's offense was partly to blame was *mostly* non-existent the day of his announcement.

So, barbarab1tch, what is your contribution to the topic at hand? Nothing but your dog feces that you characteristically always fling around in any thread where negativity is deemed to make an appearance. But you do make good use of those VN emojis as you drop your excrement everywhere. :shades:
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You're reactionary...so you manage to twist that into being a prophet...a day after it happened! :w00t: So this is the end of a 3 year case study...that you based off data starting in 2015! :w00t:

Points for trying to inject barbara in my name...doesn't counteract your failure at humor and obsession with female dogs but A for effort. :clapping:
 
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You do you, represent Vol Nation as you see fit.

I don't recall stating how much of a man I am in your thread but if i did I'm sorry I derailed the revelatory discussion that is stating the obvious.

How do you create a thread again?
 
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I vote we check back in in 3 to 4 years when this crop of WRs have had a chance to prove themselves on the college level and see which ones were really elite and which were not. There is always the ones that folks think were elite that were not and there is always the ones that rise above and become elite.

Everyone of these players will have to play and compete against other players that were just as good in high school as they were. Some will not be able to stand the pressure and will fall by the wayside. They will be running routes, attempting to catch passes while being defended by 4 and 5* defensive backs who are just as fast, just as tall, just as athletic. It won't be the shorter, slower players they competed against in high school. They will have to block too and not against the smaller, shorter, slower players but against the giants who are larger, stronger and quicker.

The ratings are "potential" based on what those that score potential think. Potential is not reality until proven.
 
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Win, and the recruits will come.

Alabama is a run it down your throat, physical on the LOS offense with game managers at QB, but they churn out elite receivers. Receivers want to play there to chase rings. The same goes for Clemson right now. Elite recruits want to play for championships. Period.
 
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An internet voice can be a powerful thing. The WORLD said Torrance Gibson is the man. A few said "NO"! The few won.

(Cue the we are the champions tune).
 
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What in the holy walls of text is this thread?

So we lose out on some big time WRS because we don't really utilize WRs?
Well if we don't utilize them, it's probably not a death sentence.
If we start after a QB change, they will become interested again.

Seems simple enough. Just add a whole lotta pretend words now so this post fits the thread. Blah blah monkey bread etc.
 
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butchna said:
I remember some guy that left us to start a hippie commune in Hawaii that wanted us to offer a TN kid...think he ended up at Austin Peay...we settled for Dobbs.
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We are settlers. It's what we do.
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Haha, I bet you believe the (censored) you write. Self-important? You're the one who about half the time respond to a post of mine with a red ink pen like a insecure teacher who retaliates against a student who proficiently expresses an opposing view by bemoaning an improper subject verb agreement, as though that refutes the student's entire argument. Whether you're a "paid shill" or not doesn't change the fact that you're a shill. As I've stated, it's in your track record for everyone to see. No one else is as dedicated or consistent to bombarding every minority view on VN, day or night. Spazzes? I am calm over here.

And me being right is not a matter of CBJ's failure or not. I am as much a UT fan as you (despite your misplaced fervor in fighting anything counter to your held opinion) and success for me is seeing UT rise and stay at the top, and keeping our integrity as a program in doing so. I hope its your dearest CBJ for the very sake of immediacy and continuity. But if it's not him, as a UT fan I have no qualm with finding the next guy in hopes he brings our program back to the top. Because or program is bigger than any one individual and my tie is to the program, not an individual. If it is CBJ, he's got a lot of room for improvement to get us to the top. I think adding Shoop is a big, big step, so i'm cautiously optimistic he'll do it if he can continue recruiting like he has, improve the offense with a more balanced attack, and stop coaching not-to-lose with a lead. You're free to view it differently but your view doesn't at all change the fact that I'll be cheering for the Vols the same as you in 2016, just as I have done since I was 8 years old starting in 1992.

It's you, not me, that has the superiority complex as a fan. I've never once responded to a post from you unsolicited. That's bc I don't care (censored) about your opinion. Unlike you, however, I don't attack your opinion in every thread such as you do with others who show any hint of negativity.
 
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Lil butchie, I'd advise thinking twice before starting your blitzkrieg attack on all forms of thoughtful discussion on topics/opinions that may flirt with negativity, objective or not. You've been on a roll lately but I bet you take a needed breather now. Your tired act has been exposed.

*Note: There are plenty of "negavol" trolls that are nothing more attention seekers attempting to stir trouble. They do not represent the "minority view" I am referring to. Thoughtless negativity not backed with substantiated facts only gives those who are thoughtful and civil in offering an opposing view a bad name. I suspect some of the extreme "negavols" are insincere with their intentions, anyway. I digress.
 
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Burn burn burn! Cue Stealer's Wheel! :rock:
 
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