The Republican Party Today

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RockyTop85 said:
I’m pretty sure you have said you want the government to administer some sort of suffrage test to determine who gets to vote.

If not, my apologies, but I’d classify that as extreme on the right/authoritarian end of the described axis. I’m sure there are others, but none that immediately come to mind.
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I’m sure I have posted something along those lines but I don’t consider that to be extreme depending on the requirements.

Edit: Also don't we currently have "suffrage testing" now?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I don’t think either of you is as extreme as you’re trying to portray each other.

You both hold some pretty extreme views, but since it’s a relative metric, you have to leave room for the people fighting in the streets in Portland, rioting in various places, etc. etc.

Also, a single axis is insufficient.
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I gave him a 16 on the continuum - meaning about 30% of the republican party is more extreme than Hog and about 70% less extreme.
 
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hog88 said:
I’m sure I have posted something along those lines but I don’t consider that to be extreme depending on the requirements.
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Considering the test scores I keep seeing of school kids, I would like to implement an IQ score of 100 or higher to vote. That should eliminate most of the idiots that vote without thinking.
 
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hog88 said:
I'm not extreme politically. I just want to be left alone and think the majority of decisions need to be made at the local level. What builds extremism is when an overbearing central government forces one size fits all laws onto everyone. What might be completely acceptable, normal and welcome in one part of the country may be outlandish and completely unacceptable in another. As long as states and localities are not violating to bill of rights and interfering with interstate commerce I don't have a problem with what they do inside of their borders.

I don't want to force my lifestyle, beliefs, customs or ideology onto anyone else.
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LOL....You claimed a five year old should be able to purchase an assault weapon and carry it in a public park.

I'm calling that a tad extreme.
 
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VolStrom said:
Considering the test scores I keep seeing of school kids, I would like to implement an IQ score of 100 or higher to vote. That should eliminate most of the idiots that vote without thinking.
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The average is set at 100, you're eliminating half the voters. Trump would lose 85% of his base.
 
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luthervol said:
Tons of BS in that so I will not attempt to address it all.
So you think suburban women, educated people, and government employees vote incorrectly? Interesting.
I think it all boils down to you not liking where compromise and progress leads.
Plus, the nation was most definitely founded on compromise and progress.
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If the suburban moms equate to bat $hit crazy Karen's, then they can keep their education to themselves. Amirite?
 
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GroverCleveland said:
The sooner the better.

I think one laudable goal would be to move major departments out of Washington DC. Move entire departments. The DOD to Kansas. The Interior Department to Wyoming. The Department of Education to Hell.
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I'd rather kill off most .gov agencies/departments than move them but that could be a start.
 
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headhunter15 said:
The Republican and Democrat parties are no longer what they used to be. Both sides cater to the extreme wings of the parties. That’s why I’m open to seeing what the No Labels Organization will do. Have read about Manchin possibly running for them.
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He won't run, he's a true dem who tries to act tough so his state will get the bacon. He usually folds. The others will get the same result they always do, not enough to matter
 
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hog88 said:
Current suffrage testing includes:
Age
Citizenship status
Felon status (in most states)
Resident status (I can't vote in FL even though I own property there)
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Mental capacity?

Does anyone know if a mentally challenged adult is allowed to vote?
 
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luthervol said:
Politically, our country is becoming an inverted bell curve. Moderation use to be the norm and extremism was present but relatively small on both sides. Moderation is becoming the political rarity and extremism the new norm.

That was an intended goal of Trumpism (Bannon/Stone), and precisely why it should have been rejected.
It's now crystal clear.....every moderate republican is now demonized as a Rino and targeted by the extreme - which currently controls the republican party.

Amazingly enough, there are even posters in the PF who view that as a good thing.
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Whatevevah . . . Democrats euthanized the Blue Dogs 20 years ago for the exact same reason.
 
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McDad said:
Mental capacity?

Does anyone know if a mentally challenged adult is allowed to vote?
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IDK but I think so. During early voting a few years back the man behind me in line was suffering from some form of dementia and his (assuming) his daughter was with him. We were sent to adjacent machines and I clearly heard her say, "no that's not who we vote for, here let me do it". She could very well have gotten 2 votes and I think that is wrong.
 
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hog88 said:
Current suffrage testing includes:
Age
Citizenship status
Felon status (in most states)
Resident status (I can't vote in FL even though I own property there)
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I think you can see the easy distinction between various personal choices versus forcing people to live under a government not of their choosing with no say unless they can pass a test.

Age was similar enough that I at least had to think about it.

There are observable developmental differences between children and adults, but the age of majority is admittedly arbitrary. However, it’s also generally consistent across several areas of law and it’s the age at which we vest other rights and confer other privileges, burdens, and responsibilities. Traditionally, the presence of parents to act as advocates and proxies and less heavy handed interaction between law and child would have supplemented those justifications for withholding access to the ballot.

There are some points of weakness in that where I think I could be persuaded that some type of moderate change is justifiable (e.g. if you’re earning wages and paying taxes you should get a vote) but I still see the automatic enfranchisement, developmental differences, and differences in applicability of laws as sufficient to distinguish from a required IQ test or something of that sort.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I think you can see the easy distinction between various personal choices versus forcing people to live under a government not of their choosing with no say unless they can pass a test.

Age was similar enough that I at least had to think about it.

There are observable developmental differences between children and adults, but the age of majority is admittedly arbitrary. However, it’s also generally consistent across several areas of law and it’s the age at which we vest other rights and confer other privileges, burdens, and responsibilities. Traditionally, the presence of parents to act as advocates and proxies and less heavy handed interaction between law and child would have supplemented those justifications for withholding access to the ballot.

There are some points of weakness in that where I think I could be persuaded that some type of moderate change is justifiable (e.g. if you’re earning wages and paying taxes you should get a vote) but I still see the automatic enfranchisement, developmental differences, and differences in applicability of laws as sufficient to distinguish from a required IQ test or something of that sort.
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See, you are an extremist since you support forcing people to live under a government not of their choosing.
 
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hog88 said:
See, you are an extremist since you support forcing people to live under a government not of their choosing.
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I’ve never heard of anyone getting to choose where they were born. Are you sure you would pass your own test?

The difference is that you don’t want people to automatically get a say over that government, you what the government to decide whether they get a say.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I’ve never heard of anyone getting to choose where they were born. Are you sure you would pass your own test?

The difference is that you don’t want people to automatically get a say over that government, you what the government to decide whether they get a say.
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You forget about people who were brought here as minors. Didn't choose to be here yet forced to live under a government they have no say in.

I will say, you were right. Nobody ever thinks their own views are extreme and true extremist will use any argument to justify their extremism.
 
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