The Roger Stone Trial

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Mick said:
Actually Mueller seemed like he didn't know what he could and couldn't say. It was as if he hadn't seen his own report because he couldn't comment on anything touching on Barr's redaction's.
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The Muell could say anything he wanted to say, he was no long part of the DOJ when he testified.
 
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hog88 said:
1 Attorney is an "exodus"? and Barr didn't misrepresent the Muells report, if you watched the Muells testimony Barr was more familiar with the report than he was.
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All four of the attorneys that prosecuted Stone resigned after being undermined. Now it appears as if their boss, who had little to do with the case had her nomination for the top job in the Treasury pulled as retribution. She too has resigned.

Drain the swamp.

And yes, Barr did misrepresent Muellers findings. Your revisionist history may work at the dinner table with LIV buddys, but not here.
 
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hog88 said:
Really? How many prosecutions has Barr stopped on request of Trump? How many investigations has Barr hampered to protect Trump? Has Barr proclaimed himself to be Trump's "wingman"?
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Yes.
Don't know.
Don't know.
Don't know.
 
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37L1 said:
Didn't try and defend it. I asked who? He hasn't answered but you used something said by Credico that was not in the letter, which you, correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will), said was in the letter.


I think you just love to argue to try and prove you are always correct and then try to change the elements of the discussion just a little bit so that no one may notice you are talking out of your hat just to appear right all the time for your, I don't know, ego?
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LOL. The quotes from the post article answer the question of “who,” so nothing has been shifted.

You tried to shift the discussion when you lied and said you weren’t minimizing Stone’s behavior, but here you are attempting to minimize it again in order that maybe nobody will notice that you were talking out of your hat when you did it before.

Maybe you should call me a hypocrite, next.
 
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hog88 said:
Really? How many prosecutions has Barr stopped on request of Trump? How many investigations has Barr hampered to protect Trump? Has Barr proclaimed himself to be Trump's "wingman"?
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Good questions. We should investigate.
 
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Septic said:
All four of the attorneys that prosecuted Stone resigned after being undermined. Now it appears as if their boss, who had little to do with the case had her nomination for the top job in the Treasury pulled as retribution.

Drain the swamp.

And yes, Barr did misrepresent Muellers findings. Your revisionist history may work at the dinner table with LIV buddys, but not here.
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No, 1 resigned the other three quit the case.

No Barr did not misrepresent the Muells report.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
He said similar things at trial and it apparently wasn’t convincing. Which is not at all uncommon in cases of witness intimidation.

12 random people found his conduct to be criminal. But you are trying to minimize and defend it because this particular criminal scumbag is on your “side.”

That (and your previous successful attempts to flay your own credibility for the sake of your tribe) are what make you seem like politician. I’d say “lawyer,” but at least we get paid to make these kinds of arguments.
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Many with proven political bias, even the judge. I’m surprised when Hildabeast’s crimes went before the grand jury that it didn’t move to trial.
 
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Mick said:
There are thousands of men sitting in jail now for domestic violence; eventhought, their significant other says the same things Credico is saying. .
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So now Credico is a battered spouse mumbling inaudibly to the court "I wasn't afraid, he never hit me" while shivering uncontrollably, unable to look the accused in the eye, and wearing sunglasses and makeup to cover the bruises?

You don't give people an extra 4-5 years because *you* want to ignore the witness saying "Hello...Hellooooooo...is this on? No, really - REALLY - I never felt threatened, endangered, nervous, or mildly apprehensive nor perceived any physical, psychological, biological, scatological - well, okay, Roger does enjoy scatological humor - threat from Roger. Ever. Never. At all. Period, Finito"

FFS; the contortions you folks are going through are hilarious!
 
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luthervol said:
Barr is nothing more than a Trump stooge. The way he publicly summarized the Mueller report before its release says all you need to know about the man and his objectives.
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See my reply to Sceptic on exactly that point, just below your reply. It applies to you, too, so feel free to rebut.
 
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NCFisher said:
See my reply to Sceptic on exactly that point, just below your reply. It applies to you, too, so feel free to rebut.
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Yeah, I got nothing out of that.
Barr is a Trump stooge, pure and simple.
He intentionally publicly misrepresented the Mueller report before it was released to set the narrative in Trump's favor and give the right wing media a jump start on spreading the misinformation.

Nothing you posted changes any of that.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
EvEryBOdy is OuT tO gEt tRUMp aNd NotHiNg iS HiS fAuLT
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And it looks like pettiness and desperation. It’s sad when all dims do is make up s*** to investigate and refuse to actually do their job. In the end nothing they do makes a difference.
 
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NCFisher said:
You mean the U.S. attorneys who work for Barr?? The U.S. attorneys who briefed DOJ on their sentencing recommendation, then went rogue, stabbed Barr in the back, and filed for about double the sentence they briefed? Fk your boss, you get screwed. Next....

Well, no. Being called out by the left is well, no more than that. There was no collusion, conspiracy, but intelligent, objective people knew that long before Mueller's report. The FBI knew it in Jan. 2017 when Steele's source said "BS, Steele didn't get that from me". Mueller should have never been appointed; and Mueller should have had the decency to shut it down in within a week of being appointed with the simply question of "where the Russia collusion shite, guys? Oh...we don't have any??"

"But as noted above, the Special Counsel did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign"

I know what you next argument will be, but I'm not going to do your work for you so I'll wait for it.
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"Went rogue" - cite your source or gtfo. If they'd have "stabbed him in the back" it'd have been front page news and they'd have been perp walked out of their offices holding cardboard boxes. It wasn't until after Trump weighed in that the DOJ rebuked the prosecuting attorneys recommendations.

LOL , the spin cycle needed a fifth gear for this.
 
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Mick said:
Actually Mueller seemed like he didn't know what he could and couldn't say. It was as if he hadn't seen his own report because he couldn't comment on anything touching on Barr's redaction's.
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He needed his strings pulled by Donny, he didn't want to end up on the unemployment line like Sessions.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
LOL. The quotes from the post article answer the question of “who,” so nothing has been shifted.

You tried to shift the discussion when you lied and said you weren’t minimizing Stone’s behavior, but here you are attempting to minimize it again in order that maybe nobody will notice that you were talking out of your hat when you did it before.

Maybe you should call me a hypocrite, next.
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No, but you are FOS. Now you are referencing an "article". What happened to the letter, which is what we were discussing and in which you said Credico made it plain on "who"? But I guess not, you couldn't find it, so you had to look elsewhere. Good for you but bad for you. Talking out of your "hat".

I quoted only the letter in which the (Victim) Credico said he didn't feel threatened and that it was just "Stone being Stone". You, in response, have labeled me a liar, a shill, tribal, politician and worst of all, lawyer, and by quoting the (Victim) Credico, I was minimizing Stone's behavior. That's quite a reaction for quoting (Victim) Credico in a letter to the sentencing judge, now isn't it, counselor?
 
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Septic said:
All four of the attorneys that prosecuted Stone resigned after being undermined. Now it appears as if their boss, who had little to do with the case had her nomination for the top job in the Treasury pulled as retribution. She too has resigned.

Drain the swamp.

And yes, Barr did misrepresent Muellers findings. Your revisionist history may work at the dinner table with LIV buddys, but not here.
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From your link:
“The Special Counsel emphasized that nothing in the Attorney General’s March 24 letter was inaccurate or misleading,” Kupec said. “But, he expressed frustration over the lack of context and the resulting media coverage regarding the Special Counsel’s obstruction analysis. They then discussed whether additional context from the report would be helpful and could be quickly released. However, the Attorney General ultimately determined that it would not be productive to release the report in piecemeal fashion.”

Mueller's bitching that Barr isn't an activist for his report; that isn't Barr's job. And media coverage of the report is a curious concern since media had been acting as Mueller's surrogate mouthpiece for two years, and a year before that during the FBI's investigation, leaks, and media manipulation.

Barr is their boss, and the boss of Liu. If Liu wasn't plugged into her team and didn't know they were going to stab DoJ in the back on the sentencing recommendation, she should resign. If she knew, she should be fired.
 
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hog88 said:
No, 1 resigned the other three quit the case.

No Barr did not misrepresent the Muells report.
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Good god, where do you get your information? This sht isn't even hard to source. ALL FOUR PROSECUTORS voluntarily gave a middle finger to Barr and Trump for undermining them.

"All four career prosecutors handling the case against Roger Stone withdrew from the legal proceedings Tuesday — and one quit his job entirely".

DOJ lawyers resign en masse over Roger Stone sentencing

All 4 federal prosecutors quit Stone case after DOJ overrules prosecutors on sentencing request - CNNPolitics

All four Roger Stone prosecutors resign from case after DOJ backpedals on sentencing recommendation


Barr misrepresented Muellers report to the point where Mueller wrote a letter describing Barrs representation as not "not fully capturing the context, nature, and substance” of the report. This isn't debatable - you certainly disagree but the facts don't change because you don't like it.
 
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Septic said:
Good god, where do you get your information? This sht isn't even hard to source. ALL FOUR PROSECUTORS voluntarily gave a middle finger to Barr and Trump for undermining them.

"All four career prosecutors handling the case against Roger Stone withdrew from the legal proceedings Tuesday — and one quit his job entirely".

DOJ lawyers resign en masse over Roger Stone sentencing

All 4 federal prosecutors quit Stone case after DOJ overrules prosecutors on sentencing request - CNNPolitics

All four Roger Stone prosecutors resign from case after DOJ backpedals on sentencing recommendation


Barr misrepresented Muellers report to the point where Mueller wrote a letter describing Barrs representation as not "not fully capturing the context, nature, and substance” of the report. This isn't debatable - you certainly disagree but the facts don't change because you don't like it.
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So as I said only 1 resigned, the other 3 quit the case. That is not an "exodus". Thanks for proving me right AGAIN.

The Muell said nothing in Barr's letter was inaccurate or misleading, how much more do you need?
 
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