The Roger Stone Trial

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37L1 said:
I'm not minimizing anything. Just quoting the "victim" and you get all contorted. You got a problem? Take it up with Credico.

Stone deserves whatever he gets. He's a scumbag/nutjob.

I won't comment on your own "tribe" and "credibility." But you do love you some self.
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Maybe you should love yourself more. Might stop you from debasing yourself by lying and shilling for a political party that doesn’t know you exist.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Maybe you should love yourself more. Might stop you from debasing yourself by lying and shilling for a political party that doesn’t know you exist.
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Where in the quote that I posted is the lie?

Go ahead ad hominem. "Crafty" move by a lawyer who can't refute what the vicitm said and I quoted. Did they teach you that or did you come by it naturally?
 
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37L1 said:
Where in the quote that I posted is the lie?

Go ahead ad hominem. "Crafty" move by a lawyer who can't refute what the vicitm said and I quoted. Did they teach you that or did you come by it naturally?
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I sure hope you know, Credico's own testimony and documentation is what convicted him on that charge. We don't refute that, just that his groveling for forgiveness is apparent, at least for me.
 
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37L1 said:
WTF? I quoted his letter. What DID he say? Why don't you post up what you are referring to, for cripes sake?

Guidelines to the forum say not to copy whole articles so :

This article includes the entire letter

https://frankreport.com/2020/01/24/randy-credico-there-is-no-need-to-put-roger-stone-in-prison/

Credico's conclusion to the letter:

I was told that when fashioning a sentence, federal judges look to what is “sufficient, but not greater than necessary” to meet the goals of sentencing. I understand that Roger Stone has broken federal laws, but a prison sentence is beyond what is required in this case. It is not justice. It is cruelty. Indeed, with all of his talent and knowledge, Mr. Stone would be an ideal candidate for participation in an alternative to incarceration program that would serve and benefit needy organizations or distressed communities.


Roger Stone certainly rubs a lot of people the wrong way, particularly those on the receiving end of his wee hour lowbrow character attacks. Stone enjoys playing adolescent mind games and pulling off juvenile stunts, gags and pranks. He shamelessly invents and promotes outlandish and invidious conspiracy tales. But the bottom line is Mr. Stone, at his core, is an insecure person who craves and recklessly pursues attention. Like Billy Wilder’s tragic fictional character Norma Desmond, Stone is always at the ready for that “close-up.”


Prison is no remedy.


When I think of my father and others in prison, I think of these words in a letter written by a tormented Oscar Wilde from his prison cell: “We who live in prison, and in whose lives there is no event but sorrow, have to measure time by throbs of pain, and the record of bitter moments.”


Thank you for your kind consideration of my letter.


Respectfully yours,
Randy Credico
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Opinion | The Right’s Big Lie About Roger Stone

“The guy goes to prison and I’m to blame, and you’re being called a rat, you’re worried about somebody with a red hat, a MAGA hat, doing a Jack Ruby on you,” [Credico] said.

“His words are being used by Trump allies to argue that the prosecutors in the Stone case went overboard. “Unfortunately, they’re exploiting it for their own agenda,” he said of his letter.”

Note the wording: Stone himself. “I never thought Stone personally was going to do it himself,” Credico told me. Rather, he thought that one of Stone’s supporters might. “I look like the guy that’s gonna be the guy that’s gonna force Stone to talk to the feds and say everything that he knows on the president,” he said. “So I’m expendable at that point. That’s what I’m thinking.”
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IIRC, he testified similarly at trial. But, given that this isn’t a particularly difficult inference to make for anybody who isn’t pushing a political agenda, this will do.
 
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Mick said:
I sure hope you know, Credico's own testimony and documentation is what convicted him on that charge. We don't refute that, just that his groveling for forgiveness is apparent.
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Name names. You scared?

Quit

iu
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Nah. I thought Barr would be a good AG. He hasn’t been. He deserves what he gets in terms of distrust.

I said earlier today, I don’t think this story is as bad as it’s being blown up to be and if the whole “line prosecutors misled main justice” aspect turns out to be as advertised then it will be another egg-on-face moment for a lot of people in political media, Barr’s lack of trustworthiness won’t mitigate all of it.

So, I’m not saying he flip flopped. I’m just saying he criticized the orange man child, which usually goes badly.
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He's been an excellent AG and the people who don't think so fall into two camps; A) those ignorant of what the AG does and have trusted the words of those in B) for whom Trump curing cancer would be a scheme to unemploy all doctors, causing a national contagion that kills everyone except old white men.

You can't defend an instance in which you opine Barr has earned distrust.
 
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37L1 said:
Name names. You scared?

Quit

iu
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Trump, as if someone had to spell it out for you. All trump has to do is tweet and Barr will open an investigation into him. Maybe he will go through Rudy, who knows?
 
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37L1 said:
So that's in the letter?

Oh, wait it's not.
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Lol. Yeah but it’s soooooo difficult of a conclusion to reach that 12 random jurors, me, and Mick all came to it independently.

So far, you’re the only person who failed to intuit that. Even when Mick pointed it out to you, you tried to defend it. Because you love tribe too much and self not enough.
 
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This is headed for mistrial and dismissal due to the jury forewoman with demonstrable online history of anti-Trump bias and celebrating the conviction of Stone. She went out of her way to lionize the four, lying prosecutors who "resigned". Being a lawyer, she should have revealed her bias and been dismissed from jury duty. It cannot be argued that Stone received a fair trial.

I love stupid people like this forewoman.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Lol. Yeah but it’s soooooo difficult of a conclusion to reach that 12 random jurors, me, and Mick all came to it independently.

So far, you’re the only person who failed to intuit that. Even when Mick pointed it out to you, you tried to defend it. Because you love tribe too much and self not enough.
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Didn't try and defend it. I asked who? He hasn't answered but you used something said by Credico that was not in the letter, which you, correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will), said was in the letter.

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Credico already answered this question and if you’re looking up his letter you’ve seen it.
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I think you just love to argue to try and prove you are always correct and then try to change the elements of the discussion just a little bit so that no one may notice you are talking out of your hat just to appear right all the time for your, I don't know, ego?
 
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NCFisher said:
He's been an excellent AG and the people who don't think so fall into two camps; A) those ignorant of what the AG does and have trusted the words of those in B) for whom Trump curing cancer would be a scheme to unemploy all doctors, causing a national contagion that kills everyone except old white men.

You can't defend an instance in which you opine Barr has earned distrust.
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An excellent AG? Are you serious, did you type this with a straight face? We must all have different definitions of excellent and your poisoned well of the "two camps" is a cartoonish representation of a false dichotomy.

Which situation was more "excellent", when he got called out for misrepresenting Muellers findings or when he undermined the US Attorney's causing the exodus?

He's a shill.
 
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Mick said:
You have got to be FN kidding me.
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It's you who's kidding. I mean, you can't be that dumb; perhaps you're hoping others are.

Credico emphatically states, in more that one way, he never felt threatened by Stone. Done.
 
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NCFisher said:
It's you who's kidding. I mean, you can't be that dumb; perhaps you're hoping others are.

Credico emphatically states, in more that one way, he never felt threatened by Stone. Done.
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There are thousands of men sitting in jail now for domestic violence; eventhought, their significant other says the same things Credico is saying. .
 
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Septic said:
An excellent AG? Are you serious, did you type this with a straight face? We must all have different definitions of excellent and your poisoned well of the "two camps" is a cartoonish representation of a false dichotomy.

Which situation was more "excellent", when he got called out for misrepresenting Muellers findings or when he undermined the US Attorney's causing the exodus?

He's a shill.
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1 Attorney is an "exodus"? and Barr didn't misrepresent the Muells report, if you watched the Muells testimony Barr was more familiar with the report than he was.
 
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NCFisher said:
He's been an excellent AG and the people who don't think so fall into two camps; A) those ignorant of what the AG does and have trusted the words of those in B) for whom Trump curing cancer would be a scheme to unemploy all doctors, causing a national contagion that kills everyone except old white men.

You can't defend an instance in which you opine Barr has earned distrust.
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Barr is nothing more than a Trump stooge. The way he publicly summarized the Mueller report before its release says all you need to know about the man and his objectives.
 
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Septic said:
An excellent AG? Are you serious, did you type this with a straight face? We must have different definitions of excellent. Your poisoned well of the "two camps" is cartoonish.

Which situation was more "excellent", when he got called out for misrepresenting Muellers findings or when he undermined the US Attorney's causing the exodus?

He's a shill.
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You mean the U.S. attorneys who work for Barr?? The U.S. attorneys who briefed DOJ on their sentencing recommendation, then went rogue, stabbed Barr in the back, and filed for about double the sentence they briefed? Fk your boss, you get screwed. Next....

Well, no. Being called out by the left is well, no more than that. There was no collusion, conspiracy, but intelligent, objective people knew that long before Mueller's report. The FBI knew it in Jan. 2017 when Steele's source said "BS, Steele didn't get that from me". Mueller should have never been appointed; and Mueller should have had the decency to shut it down in within a week of being appointed with the simply question of "where the Russia collusion shite, guys? Oh...we don't have any??"

"But as noted above, the Special Counsel did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign"

I know what you next argument will be, but I'm not going to do your work for you so I'll wait for it.
 
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luthervol said:
Barr is nothing more than a Trump stooge. The way he publicly summarized the Mueller report before its release says all you need to know about the man and his objectives.
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I guess Holder was just Obama's stooge?
 
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hog88 said:
1 Attorney is an "exodus"? and Barr didn't misrepresent the Muells report, if you watched the Muells testimony Barr was more familiar with the report than he was.
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Actually Mueller seemed like he didn't know what he could and couldn't say. It was as if he hadn't seen his own report because he couldn't comment on anything touching on Barr's redaction's.
 
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Mick said:
Actually Mueller seemed like he didn't know what he could and couldn't say. It was as if he hadn't seen his own report because he couldn't comment on anything touching on the redaction's.
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Again with the excuses Mick? Poor, poor, Muells. . .

The guys a lawyer and used be head of the FBI, FFS.
 
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luthervol said:
To a degree. But nowhere near the degree Barr is for Trump.
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Really? How many prosecutions has Barr stopped on request of Trump? How many investigations has Barr hampered to protect Trump? Has Barr proclaimed himself to be Trump's "wingman"?
 
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