The Roger Stone Trial

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RockyTop85 said:
No idea about federal trials, but where I work, both parties are provided with a list of jurors including their name and their profession or employer. You’re expected to do your own research beyond that.

I understand that one of the federal judges here doesn’t let the attorneys question jurors. He does it himself.

If she disclosed the bias and remained on the jury, it’s a non issue.* If she was asked and did not disclose that’s an issue.

I don’t know about the in-between so this is all my opinion: If she was not asked at all, she and perhaps other jurors should be called back to an evidentiary hearing and the government should have to clear a high bar to show she wasn’t biased during deliberations. I’d also say if she was on twitter *****ing on Trump during the trial, this would be my preferred outcome.

*- I didn’t read the article so I’m basing that on the assumption that what’s been said here was accurate.
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So you do your own research on jurors. Have you ever used a third party for that?
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Haven't said a word about my role or even hinted at bragging about it.
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You’ve accused others of not having a clue about something , just because they didn’t . That’s absurd . Your service doesn’t give you an auto pass on saying stupid things to people .
 
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Col. Jessup

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USAFgolferVol said:
Haven't said a word about my role or even hinted at bragging about it.
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Out of curiosity, why do you keep bringing it up? Before you get defensive, I'm not attacking. You've said you don't really care about other people's service, so why do you keep mentioning your own?
 
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luthervol said:
Scroll down just a tad in the article and look at the comparisons.

UPDATED: Comparing Presidential Administrations by felony arrests and convictions (as of 9/17/2018)

Goes all the way back to Nixon. If you look closely, you may see some trends.
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Sorry Luther but the article and it’s findings are false.

The Clintons were never charged with any crime. Fifteen other people were convicted of more than 40 crimes, including Jim Guy Tucker, who resigned from office.[44]

  • Jim Guy Tucker: Governor of Arkansas at the time, resigned (fraud, 3 counts)
  • John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker (tax evasion)
  • William J. Marks, Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker's business partner (conspiracy)
  • Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide (conspiracy to misapply funds). Bill Clinton pardoned.
  • Webster Hubbell: Clinton political supporter; U.S. Associate Attorney General; Rose Law Firm partner (embezzlement, fraud)
  • Jim McDougal: banker, Clinton political supporter: (18 felonies, varied)
  • Susan McDougal: Clinton political supporter (multiple frauds). Bill Clinton pardoned.
  • David Hale: banker, self-proclaimed Clinton political supporter: (conspiracy, fraud)
  • Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president (embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign)
  • Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker (multiple loan fraud). Bill Clinton pardoned.
  • Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent (multiple loan fraud)
  • Robert W. Palmer: Madison appraiser (conspiracy). Bill Clinton pardoned.
  • John Latham: Madison Bank CEO (bank fraud)
  • Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant (multiple bribery)
  • Charles Matthews: Whitewater defendant (bribery)
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hog88 said:
Sorry Luther but the article and it’s findings are false.
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Sorry Hogg, it is true. Take in all of the data.
Read closely who the charts in the article represent and then look at your ridiculous list about Clinton.
If you extended that far into Trumps contact's pre-presidency, his list would be 100s long.

You can't hide from the facts.
 
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luthervol said:
I think they both represent the worst of humanity. Makes sense that Trump would turn to them as advisers.
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This is where I’ll agree with you. Trump had a chance to get Christie and Newt and didn’t. He picked some horrible people.
 
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NCFisher said:
And not one of them were convicted of - or even charged with - conspiring/colluding with Russia, which was the entire premise of the investigations. Process and tax crimes; the FBI and Mueller investigations were completely baseless; we know that by the results.
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NurseGoodVol said:
So you do your own research on jurors. Have you ever used a third party for that?
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Never have. There are a lot of factors that go into it but I’d say the simplest one is there are better and more established/well known attorneys in town that somebody who has the means to hire a jury consultant would hire before me (for a case that’s serious enough to warrant it).
 
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hog88 said:
Ok Luther, just ignore the facts.
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The facts are what I'm pointing out.
Republican administrations are far more corrupt. (at least according to the facts)
Add in the far greater rate of increase in the national debt, and it's a wonder a republican is ever elected.
Trump is not only continuing the trends but is going to set records for being the worst ever in both categories.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
You don't know what the word means or you wouldn't be saying it to someone who helped to provide the very freedom by which you live by
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Yea this is where you are a dbag. There are millions of Trump supporting military personnel who have served or are currently doing so. I don’t know your service history. But I bet several, who support Trump, have done so in a way that’s more admiral. Not a knock on your service but if we are grading on degrees. So you should probably STFU about the patriotism thing .
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Never have. There are a lot of factors that go into it but I’d say the simplest one is there are better and more established/well known attorneys in town that somebody who has the means to hire a jury consultant would hire before me (for a case that’s serious enough to warrant it).
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I would imagine jury consultants are pricey. I'm sure if the case was serious enough to warrent a consultant the defendant would need deep pockets.
 
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37L1 said:
Oh really.
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That's not bragging, but that's ok. It wasn't preemptive. I was responding to a dumbass who thinks all those that don't support Trump are far left radicals who don't love their country. Lots of the conservatives on this board make those stupid posts, and they really believe it. At least try to put your claim in context instead of the "gotcha" mode. That's just as stupid
 
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volfanhill said:
Yea this is where you are a dbag. There are millions of Trump supporting military personnel who have served or are currently doing so. I don’t know your service history. But I bet several, who support Trump, have done so in a way that’s more admiral. Not a knock on your service but if we are grading on degrees. So you should probably STFU about the patriotism thing .
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You should should STFU. I was responding to someone questioning my patriotism just because I don't support Trump. And you're right, you don't know my service history so any comment you might make about it is remarkably ignorant. Try to follow a little better instead of looking like a tribal fool
 
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Weezer said:
Out of curiosity, why do you keep bringing it up? Before you get defensive, I'm not attacking. You've said you don't really care about other people's service, so why do you keep mentioning your own?
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My patriotism was questioned because I don't support Trump
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
You should should STFU. I was responding to someone questioning my patriotism just because I don't support Trump. And you're right, you don't know my service history so any comment you might make about it is remarkably ignorant. Try to follow a little better instead of looking like a tribal fool
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You are an angry person, eat a snickers little guy.
 
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