The season, and Cuonzo's job, come down to...

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DowntownVol said:
... the Virginia and LSU games.

Win them both, and the ship is pretty much righted, with the odds of a birth in the Dance greater than 50/50.

Split, and we're going to have to go something like 14-4 in the SEC to get in, and pull off at least one big upset (beat Kentucky in Lexington, Florida in Gainesville, etc.) in the process. Not impossible, but highly unlikely.

Lose them both, and we're done. As is Cuonzo.
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wow, I love reading what all of theses so called ADs are having to say about our mens basketball coach, thank god that you are being well paid for your opinions
 
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DowntownVol said:
... the Virginia and LSU games.

Win them both, and the ship is pretty much righted, with the odds of a birth in the Dance greater than 50/50.

Split, and we're going to have to go something like 14-4 in the SEC to get in, and pull off at least one big upset (beat Kentucky in Lexington, Florida in Gainesville, etc.) in the process. Not impossible, but highly unlikely.

Lose them both, and we're done. As is Cuonzo.
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Disagree about your split scenario. If we beat UVA we are gonna be 8-4 OOC. You're saying we'd have to go 14-4 in conference to get in the dance? So 22-8 regular season?

20 wins regular season (not counting Tusculum), and this team will be dancing.
 
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janthony81 said:
wow, I love reading what all of theses so called ADs are having to say about our mens basketball coach, thank god that you are being well paid for your opinions
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You do realize that this is a message board.....its entire reason for existence is for people to give their opinions on our sports teams.
 
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I have no idea whats required for Martin to keep his job....we don't know Hart's tenancies and the current administration has been too inconsistent for me to drawn many conclusions...IE, look at the 'diverse' coaches they have not only hired, but also gone after....in my world if I was going to hire an 'engineer' lets say , I pursue one with specific experiences and tendencies....
 
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Orange Alert said:
How many quality coaches do you think would want to come here if we start firing coaches just a few games into their third season.....after winning 20 games each of the first two seasons?
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Your logic will largely fall on deaf ears (or eyes in this case).
 
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Even if, by some incredible twist of fate, UT makes it to the Big Dance, we won't do much damage. Cuonzo proves over and over again that he can't handle high expectations. I'd prefer a coach who could give us some hope of advancing once we get in the door.
 
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Special Ed said:
Even if, by some incredible twist of fate, UT makes it to the Big Dance, we won't do much damage. Cuonzo proves over and over again that he can't handle high expectations. I'd prefer a coach who could give us some hope of advancing once we get in the door.
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So basically Martin can't do anything to change your mind.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
So basically Martin can't do anything to change your mind.
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If he wins 2 games in the NCAA tourney then my mind will change. Just getting to the tourney after what I've seen so far isn't good enough.

My expectations are probably unrealistic but with the talent we have we have to at least win one. If he just wins one I would be 50/50 on whether to keep him or not.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
No coach would be fired for losing a meaningless NIT game, and every NIT game should be meaningless for any power conference team.
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He is paid to get his team ready to win games no matter the situation. The "meaningless NIT game" excuse is getting old.
 
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ric1958 said:
He is paid to get his team ready to win games no matter the situation. The "meaningless NIT game" excuse is getting old.
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It may be getting old, but it still has its validity. Remember to view it from a 18,19,20 year olds pov. The only definition they have for the NIT is Not Invited to the real Tourney.
 
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Special Ed said:
Even if, by some incredible twist of fate, UT makes it to the Big Dance, we won't do much damage. Cuonzo proves over and over again that he can't handle high expectations. I'd prefer a coach who could give us some hope of advancing once we get in the door.
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I'd be carefull Ed....it was that kind of talk that got us Houston.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Disagree about your split scenario. If we beat UVA we are gonna be 8-4 OOC. You're saying we'd have to go 14-4 in conference to get in the dance? So 22-8 regular season?

20 wins regular season (not counting Tusculum), and this team will be dancing.
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20 wins is not the automatic bid it once was. Winning games against opp with high rpi and sos is the two main factors. We needed the win at Wichy St and we came up short and lost at home to Nc State. We will also be judged on the Xavier loss as well. Also if UVA beats us at home I think you will see this team start trending down. Also another thing that will cost Martin his job is not feeling the seats.
 
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BurninOrange said:
20 wins is not the automatic bid it once was. Winning games against opp with high rpi and sos is the two main factors. We needed the win at Wichy St and we came up short and lost at home to Nc State. We will also be judged on the Xavier loss as well. Also if UVA beats us at home I think you will see this team start trending down. Also another thing that will cost Martin his job is not feeling the seats.
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I agree on the general statement that 20 isn't an automatic bid, however with this team it is.

20-10 gives us a projected RPI of 38, you can't find a major conference to have a school with a top 40 RPI left out of the dance.
This team likely gets in with 19 wins, but 20 and they're a lock, regardless of SECT.
 
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Ducreux said:
I have no idea whats required for Martin to keep his job....we don't know Hart's tenancies and the current administration has been too inconsistent for me to drawn many conclusions...IE, look at the 'diverse' coaches they have not only hired, but also gone after....in my world if I was going to hire an 'engineer' lets say , I pursue one with specific experiences and tendencies....
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Wtf does "diverse" have to do with anything? What does this post mean?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I agree on the general statement that 20 isn't an automatic bid, however with this team it is.

20-10 gives us a projected RPI of 38, you can't find a major conference to have a school with a top 40 RPI left out of the dance.
This team likely gets in with 19 wins, but 20 and they're a lock, regardless of SECT.
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Are you speaking regular season?
Lose to one of Georgia, SC or Auburn at home and win 2 in the tourney to get 20, I doubt seriously if we dance.
Especially if we lose to VA.
 
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calban said:
Are you speaking regular season?
Lose to one of Georgia, SC or Auburn at home and win 2 in the tourney to get 20, I doubt seriously if we dance.
Especially if we lose to VA.
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Yes, here's my original post that he quoted saying 20 may not be enough.

bleedingTNorange said:
Disagree about your split scenario. If we beat UVA we are gonna be 8-4 OOC. You're saying we'd have to go 14-4 in conference to get in the dance? So 22-8 regular season?

20 wins regular season (not counting Tusculum), and this team will be dancing.
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yes, here's my original post that he quoted saying 20 may not be enough.
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20 wins may not be enough. It would put us on the bubble, sweating it out on Selection Sunday, exactly as we have the previous two seasons. 21 wins should be a lock. 22 wins is DEFINITELY a lock.

Besides, if this team can't go at least 12-6 or 13-5 against a crappy SEC, it honestly doesn't deserve to be dancing, anyway. And that's allowing for one inexplicable loss against a bottom feeder team.
 
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DowntownVol said:
20 wins may not be enough. It would put us on the bubble, sweating it out on Selection Sunday, exactly as we have the previous two seasons. 21 wins should be a lock. 22 wins is DEFINITELY a lock.

Besides, if this team can't go at least 12-6 or 13-5 against a crappy SEC, it honestly doesn't deserve to be dancing, anyway. And that's allowing for one inexplicable loss against a bottom feeder team.
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I will repeat, 20 wins regular season and this team is a lock.

Our SOS is projected to be twice as good as last years, that's why the numbers are different. 25 wins with a SOS in the 300s won't get you in, but wasn't Nova projected in last year with like 18 wins, it's all about SOS.

As I said, if we win 20 our RPI is projected top 40, you can't find a team from a major conference that had a top 40 RPI and wasn't selected.

How is 13-5 accounting for an inexplicable loss to a bottom feeder? Kentucky, Florida x2, Missouri x2....right there is 5 ranked opponents, not exactly bottom feeders.
 
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volzndahood said:
I thought it was crazy in the preseason Tennessee not being ranked but I guess I was the crazy one. If the talent wasnt there that is one thing but the talent is there so that is another.
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Ya know I thought about this thing a little. Not that I know everything there is to know about this team however it seems to me they have no clue who the go to man is..... Next years team may be better on the court although not as talented.... But I was like you preseason with all of this talent I really thought we would be top 15 at least..... Goes to show team chemistry is more important than talent sometimes.....
 
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