The Section 103 Postgame Report.

[whocaresgobobcats]

Sliding across the floor with the ball is NOT a traveling violation.

Please explain.

"Art. 6. It is traveling when a player falls to the playing court while holding the
ball without maintaining a pivot foot."

"e. A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding."

 

[LawVol13]

Please explain.

"Art. 6. It is traveling when a player falls to the playing court while holding the
ball without maintaining a pivot foot."

"e. A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding."

It's a travel every time. The guy doesn't know what he's talking about. I imagine the reason it wasn't called is because they hesitated and didn't call a foul, which it obviously was, and then decided to not call the travel because he traveled as a result of being fouled.

 

[allvol21]

It's a travel every time. The guy doesn't know what he's talking about. I imagine the reason it wasn't called is because they hesitated and didn't call a foul, which it obviously was, and then decided to not call the travel because he traveled as a result of being fouled.

I definitely agree with this. Thought the same thing yesterday. It happens quiet a bit, an official will let something go because he missed something else. The problem was the part they let go was much more obvious than usual. I also believe because of where it happened on the floor that 2 officials were waiting on the other to make the call and neither did.

 

[Chris4Vols22]

I'm kinda pissed off that ESPN did not feature any coverage of their own CGD game on neither the CBB nor the CGD site. There wasn't even a headline on the basketball page. (obviously besides their recap from the AP)

 

[hallowed_hill]

Please explain.

"Art. 6. It is traveling when a player falls to the playing court while holding the
ball without maintaining a pivot foot."

"e. A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding."

My point was that sliding across the floor is not a travel. The NFHS case book addresses a player sliding on either back or stomach after diving for a loose ball (4.44.5 Situation B). After gaining control of the ball and sliding across the floor, that player "may pass, shoot, start a dribble or call a time-out." Neither the NCAA rule book nor case book addresses sliding (your citation e. above is not from the NCAA basketball rules), but the NCAA's definition of a travel is almost identical to that of the NFHS. A player can slide as far as he wants across the floor without violating the traveling rule.

Your reference to 4-70.6 may be valid. I wasn't really addressing whether his fall to the floor was a travel. The officials would probably argue, though, that the Vandy player did not violate this rule since he was not holding the ball when he went to the ground but was maintaining a dribble as he fell.

 

[ticklemyvols]

It's a travel every time. The guy doesn't know what he's talking about. I imagine the reason it wasn't called is because they hesitated and didn't call a foul, which it obviously was, and then decided to not call the travel because he traveled as a result of being fouled.

over opinionated:salute::salute:

 

[whocaresgobobcats]

My point was that sliding across the floor is not a travel. The NFHS case book addresses a player sliding on either back or stomach after diving for a loose ball (4.44.5 Situation B). After gaining control of the ball and sliding across the floor, that player "may pass, shoot, start a dribble or call a time-out." Neither the NCAA rule book nor case book addresses sliding (your citation e. above is not from the NCAA basketball rules), but the NCAA's definition of a travel is almost identical to that of the NFHS. A player can slide as far as he wants across the floor without violating the traveling rule.

Your reference to 4-70.6 may be valid. I wasn't really addressing whether his fall to the floor was a travel. The officials would probably argue, though, that the Vandy player did not violate this rule since he was not holding the ball when he went to the ground but was maintaining a dribble as he fell.

Yea, but that rule is talking about diving after a loose ball and sliding on the floor. Taylor fell (got pushed) and slid. Therefore, it should have been a walk (foul).

The video shows him holding onto the ball, not trying to dribble.
YouTube - Jeffery Taylor of Vanderbilt slides 10 feet without walking

 

[hallowed_hill]

Yea, but that rule is talking about diving after a loose ball and sliding on the floor. Taylor fell (got pushed) and slid. Therefore, it should have been a walk (foul).

The video shows him holding onto the ball, not trying to dribble.
YouTube - Jeffery Taylor of Vanderbilt slides 10 feet without walking

It may have been a walk when he went to the floor. It's very close as to whether he is dribbling or holding the ball on his way to the floor. My point is that the slide (which is what got everyone so riled up) is not a violation.

I'm an official and would certainly have called this a foul but don't think it was a travel. I bring up the case of diving for a loose ball to show that sliding doesn't violate a rule. Since he was not holding the ball until he gets to the ground, he did not have a pivot foot and didn't violate the rule about touching the ground.

But what would I know? All of this is coming from a guy that "doesn't know what he's talking about."

 

[arTfuldodger]

This game could not have played out better for me. As someone who was born and raised in Nashville, I take a lot of pride in beating Vandy in basketball. I am glad that the Bell Meade appologists with their gold, tacky sweaters are crying right now at the country club.

Ironic imo. Its Belle Meade
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[whocaresgobobcats]

It may have been a walk when he went to the floor. It's very close as to whether he is dribbling or holding the ball on his way to the floor. My point is that the slide (which is what got everyone so riled up) is not a violation.

I'm an official and would certainly have called this a foul but don't think it was a travel. I bring up the case of diving for a loose ball to show that sliding doesn't violate a rule. Since he was not holding the ball until he gets to the ground, he did not have a pivot foot and didn't violate the rule about touching the ground.

But what would I know? All of this is coming from a guy that "doesn't know what he's talking about."

Alright, the next time I play basketball, I'll start dribbling and then dive across the floor and see what happens. You take Hopson out of the play, that's what happened and that's a walk.

 

[hallowed_hill]

Alright, the next time I play basketball, I'll start dribbling and then dive across the floor and see what happens. You take Hopson out of the play, that's what happened and that's a walk.

Not if you maintain a dribble as you're going to the ground. The slide has nothing to do with whether a player travels. It simply doesn't violate a rule.
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[LawVol13]

Not if you maintain a dribble as you're going to the ground. The slide has nothing to do with whether a player travels. It simply doesn't violate a rule.
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Oh, I see. So, as long as you're dribbling before the fall, you can just dive with the ball and slide 20 feet down the floor. I'd imagine your colleagues would disagree with you.

 

[Truth]

Oh, I see. So, as long as you're dribbling before the fall, you can just dive with the ball and slide 20 feet down the floor. I'd imagine your colleagues would disagree with you.

I'm not sure why you are trying to make this an argument. Although the play should have been called a foul he wasn't traveling because while he was heading to the ground he was still dribbling (meaning no pivot foot was established). By sliding inadvertently he gained no advantage which is not a travel. So, no you can't just dive with the ball and slide 20 feet because that would be giving you an advantage which would in fact be a travel.

 

[allvol21]

Not if you maintain a dribble as you're going to the ground. The slide has nothing to do with whether a player travels. It simply doesn't violate a rule.
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Oh the slide has nothing to do with it, now it is clear. The player did not maintain the dribble he went from his stomach to his butt. He had a dribble before he slid 20 feet once he hit the floor he never had a dribble. You cannot be serious in thinking this was not a travel.

 

[LawVol13]

I'm not sure why you are trying to make this an argument. Although the play should have been called a foul he wasn't traveling because while he was heading to the ground he was still dribbling (meaning no pivot foot was established). By sliding inadvertently he gained no advantage which is not a travel. So, no you can't just dive with the ball and slide 20 feet because that would be giving you an advantage which would in fact be a travel.

That's a pure judgment call as to whether he "gained an advantage", and 99.9% of the time, it's a walk because the vast, vast majority of refs consider covering 10 or 15 feet without dribbling gaining an advantage.

 

[Truth]

I feel privileged that I was able to see the 0.1%. Either way I feel the ref made a correct call by letting it play on because the player was tripped.

 

[allvol21]

I feel privileged that I was able to see the 0.1%. Either way I feel the ref made a correct call by letting it play on because the player was tripped.

I have already said that I agree and originally thought the officials may have let it go because they didn't call the contact that cause the fall. That does not make the call correct it only makes it 2 missed calls in stead of 1. It is laughable to me though that some think that there was not travel.

 

[TennesseePride]

Please don't ever stop doing this post game reports..

I find myself looking for these after ever game.. Shameful..

 

[Chris4Vols22]

I feel privileged that I was able to see the 0.1%. Either way I feel the ref made a correct call by letting it play on because the player was tripped.

Not trying to be a dick, but this is incorrect. The refs have one job, officiating CORRECTLY. That set of refs at the Vandy game were some of the most terrible I've ever seen, and that's saying a lot from someone who's seen some of the most ridiculous BS at TBA. But just like our coaches and players will be criticized for every little tiny thing, the officials should be too. All they needed to do was officiate the game decently. I give them a D+ at that, no higher.

 

[LawVol13]

I have already said that I agree and originally thought the officials may have let it go because they didn't call the contact that cause the fall. That does not make the call correct it only makes it 2 missed calls in stead of 1. It is laughable to me though that some think that there was not travel.

Yes, it's one of the dumber arguments I've seen on here.

 

[crusse10]

Not trying to be a dick, but this is incorrect. The refs have one job, officiating CORRECTLY. That set of refs at the Vandy game were some of the most terrible I've ever seen, and that's saying a lot from someone who's seen some of the most ridiculous BS at TBA. But just like our coaches and players will be criticized for every little tiny thing, the officials should be too. All they needed to do was officiate the game decently. I give them a D+ at that, no higher.

Every game ever has the worst officiating crew ever.

 

[hallowed_hill]

Yes, it's one of the dumber arguments I've seen on here.

Which rule did his slide across the floor violate? You still have not provided a bit of substance, my friend. Not trying to make this a big issue, but sliding across the floor is not a violation. I know it sounds funny that a player could slide 20 feet and not travel, but it is absolutely a fact and any official would tell you that. The three guys making $3K Saturday obviously agreed.

 

[LawVol13]

Which rule did his slide across the floor violate? You still have not provided a bit of substance, my friend. Not trying to make this a big issue, but sliding across the floor is not a violation. I know it sounds funny that a player could slide 20 feet and not travel, but it is absolutely a fact and any official would tell you that. The three guys making $3K Saturday obviously agreed.

Look at the rules that are cited in this thread, my friend. It's a judgment call as to whether by sliding the player gains an advantage. Somehow, most people would consider covering 15 feet of ground without dribbling gaining an advantage. I've consistently said that the entire thread. Not sure how you're missing it.

 

[allvol21]

Which rule did his slide across the floor violate? You still have not provided a bit of substance, my friend. Not trying to make this a big issue, but sliding across the floor is not a violation. I know it sounds funny that a player could slide 20 feet and not travel, but it is absolutely a fact and any official would tell you that. The three guys making $3K Saturday obviously agreed.

I don't think there is a need for him to fax you a copy of the basketball rule book. This is something that any player has known since early grade school. Moving with the basketball while you have possession with out dribbling is a travel. It doesn't matter if you are standing up, sliding, rolling or what if you advance with the ball and you are not dribbling it is a walk my friend.

 

[Chris4Vols22]

Every game ever has the worst officiating crew ever.

I disagree. It's night and day with the officials.