The Section 103 Postgame Report.

#176
#176
JFreak said:
Dude, I think all he was trying to say is that TN basketball is performing better CONSISTENTLY than anytime since Ernie and Bernie. Ya sure the win over Kentucky in 93 was great, but you cannot say it was far and away better than FL in 06, Memphis in 08, or the game on Sunday. Tournament implications make that so.
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Dude, that's not what he said at all. He said the 93 game was "meaningless."

I'm not saying the 93 game was better than any of them. I'm saying it was as meaningful as a regular season game can be. If UT falters in the SEC this year and ends up out of the tournament or gone in the first round, does that mean the Kansas game was meaningless? If not, then why was that 93 game?
 
#177
#177
Vercingetorix said:
Dude, that's not what he said at all. He said the 93 game was "meaningless."

I'm not saying the 93 game was better than any of them. I'm saying it was as meaningful as a regular season game can be. If UT falters in the SEC this year and ends up out of the tournament or gone in the first round, does that mean the Kansas game was meaningless? If not, then why was that 93 game?
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Meaningless because it didn't help the seed or build into a good year, or a good anything. Back in those days, this was a football school, so having a hoops team that was only competitive on opponent's off nights was ok with us. Sure, a win vs UK is nice, but a win vs the #1 ranked Care Bears is better if it's during a season when we are fighting for a tourney seed and another top recruit.
Dude, you need to lay off the righteousness and let that guy point out the obvious to you. You still have your memories. I didn't take them. Will that UK game ever be the same for you now that I ruined it?
 
#178
#178
PPPpartsp3 said:
I am sure you remember the part about Houston stepping over the line before the ball hit the rim too. Pitino was not very pleased with the refs missing that call.
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This UK fan was there. My aunt was a UT alumni, and scored us tickets smack in the middle of the sea of orange.

I remember the no call when Houston was almost halfway to the rim before the ball even got to the goal, and the "foul" on the put back. It has gone down in both UK and UT lore, obviously for very different reasons. Pitino and all of Kentucky were obviously not happy.

Following the game we were pelted on the sidewalk with beer cans and my mother insulted. Gotta love the UK/UT rivalry. :)

Of course responding with the 101-40 massacre in the SEC tourney somewhat soothed the sting a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnnoOn4S-xYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnnoOn4S-xY
 
#179
#179
Jets v. Colts had more meeting than that win, at least the Jets made the playoffs. UK vs. TN in the Wade Houston era with a stud Pitino team that would later WAX UT when it mattered was about as important as the Colts vs. the Bills.

If the Bills in 10 years have a victory over an undefeated Colts team that gives them a bye week in the playoffs, anyone saying that this win "meant more" would be laughed at by those who know the game.
 
#180
#180
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Jets v. Colts had more meeting than that win, at least the Jets made the playoffs. UK vs. TN in the Wade Houston era with a stud Pitino team that would later WAX UT when it mattered was about as important as the Colts vs. the Bills.

If the Bills in 10 years have a victory over an undefeated Colts team that gives them a bye week in the playoffs, anyone saying that this win "meant more" would be laughed at by those who know the game.
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Then VGTX was right. When our coaching is again shown to be deficient in the second round, this will have been meaningless. Nice point.
 
#181
#181
BigPapaVol said:
Then VGTX was right. When our coaching is again shown to be deficient in the second round, this will have been meaningless. Nice point.
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With Goins and Tatum back, I think we make a nice little run back to the Sweet 16 as a 3 seed. Elite 8 is possible only if we get a favorable match up.

I think that the dismissal of Smith will hurt us this year and help us next. Goins has to be back or we will really struggle without a single PG.

The key to how far we advance in the tournament is going to be Bobby Maze. Not Chism and not Hopson and not Prince although all are important. If Bobby keeps playing the way he has the last two games, we will go far this year.
 
#184
#184
IA VOL said:
I hate to pick on you lofton because you're not the only one but he's right. There are several on here who have adopted that exact same style and called it their own.
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The day that someone like you "picks on me" is the day that I hang it up.
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#185
#185
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Come on now, no one can screw up a bet like my buddy there. I hope someone else copies him and bets me $500 that TN will not make the sweet 16, and if they dont make the sweet 16, they have to pay me $50...
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First of all, I am not your buddy.

Second, keep hanging onto a typo.

You knew the actual parameters of the bet, but you were unwilling to put your money where your stupid assertions were.
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#186
#186
hatvol96 said:
2. That's also the best game of Bobby Maze's career. You can win a bunch of games with that point guard play.
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He is playing his heart out this season. If he keeps attacking the basket like he has shown this season, he may be make himself some money... In Europe
 
#187
#187
hatvol96 said:
I remember sitting in an 80% empty TBA watching UT set up in the halfcourt and thinking: "My God. They are actually running a play for Kevin Whitted." It doesn't get any worse than that.
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As bad those years were I enjoyed going to the games. Sure, it's fun now with all the noise, the luxury suites, and the upgraded concourses.

But back then we'd take our beverages and smoke and sit in the upper deck. We'd have an entire section to ourselves. Just party behind the curtain, then sit where you could watch the game. Ahh, the good times.
 
#188
#188
OrangeNYC said:
What, hat too obscure for even his own boys? He does that on purpose. It's supposed to make you think he's smarter than you (it's worked on a lot of you), but the effort and repetition of obscurities reveals huge insecurities. He goes out of his way being obscure to appear smart, which smart people don't have to do, as it's not something they need to prove. I'm sure he's a decent lawyer, though, as he approaches this site in the same way a lawyer would a case. Look for the argument you can win, no matter how off topic, and twist the focus to your argument. He tries that a lot, albeit not very gracefully. If he was that smart, he'd be convincing me instead of dodging and reframing the discussion. If he was that smart, it wouldn't be so obvious he had personal issues with CBP.
When Dennis Miller humor becomes contagious, it's time for me to leave. I couldn't even read through all the BPV posturing. You trolls have fun with your new "I'm a better coach than CBP thread". What egos.
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I asked about a game that was before my time. Hat and I have disagreed about basketball before. I don't know what your problem is.
 
#189
#189
hatvol96 said:
At the end of the Kentucky game in Knoxville during the '92-'93 season, Corey Allen rebounded an intentionally missed free throw, scored to tie the game, and got fouled. He then made the free throw to beat the 'Cats. You had to see it to believe it.
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thanks. hopefully i can find it on youtube.
 
#191
#191
Voldaddy said:
Pearl is a very complex case study as a coach.

He's seems to thrive under adversity, and has trouble handling prosperity.

When he is a big underdog, or has a seriously depleted roster against the #1 team in the country, he shines.

When we are picked to be great, and have a loaded bench, we flounder.

Pearl is a hell of a motivator.

Great job tonight, keep it rolling.
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i don't see the merit to the general statement... "Pearl is a motivator".

Pearl can motivate blue collar kids with something to prove... lofton, bradshaw, jujuan.... and we know skylar is the hardest worker on the team... brian williams was motivated enough to lose 5 bazillion pounds.

But pearl IS NOT a proven motivator of top notch talent.

i suspect the reason for this (which i've been harping on over and over)... is pearl unwillingness to punish his best players for poor performance on the court. ie... reward the hardest workers with more playing time than the "stars" until the stars get the message.

pearls "system" ONLY and i mean ONLY works when EVERYONE on the team gives 110% every second on the floor and in practice.

his system is based on relentless pressure D (aggression) to force points off TO's. there is no halfcourt offense as we all know. when the athletes he's recruited ATTACK (aggression) the rim... we can score in the halfcourt as it opens up opportunities for uncontested 3's. but when the athletes get lazy (as they mostly have been the last 1.5 years) and stand around and jack up 3's... we look awful.

without a commitment from EVERYONE to go all out 110% every Fn second and ATTACK with all out aggression on both sides... we have first round NCAA exits. when EVERYONE goes all out... we can beat superior talent.

so... to get this type of effort... a coach has to be willing to discipline (BENCH) ANYONE he sees slacking in the least. hopson is slacking fine... mcbee starts. tyler is slacking fine... kenny hall starts.... maze is playing with his head up his ass... fine bone starts. kenny hall is slacking fine... start steven pearl i don't give a F***. send the message... you slack... you Fn sit. cuz we can't be a successful program when people are slacking. cuz we sure as hell aren't gonna out smart anybody.

i am not amazed at the results of the recent disciplinary action taken by pearl and UT.
 
#193
#193
BasketVolKid said:
i don't see the merit to the general statement... "Pearl is a motivator".

Pearl can motivate blue collar kids with something to prove... lofton, bradshaw, jujuan.... and we know skylar is the hardest worker on the team... brian williams was motivated enough to lose 5 bazillion pounds.

But pearl IS NOT a proven motivator of top notch talent.
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What top notch talent again? He's just starting to pull that in now. Oh, you think it's CBP's fault Hopson wasn't as good as Wall is as a freshman? Maybe that's why he was choosing between UT and Miss State... Tobias is the first guy we've gotten that the UNC's and UK's wanted. Those teams have 5 guys that highly recruited at least.
Any of you that say that any team led by Tyler Smith was more talented than the Sweet 16 team that barely lost to Ohio State are crazy. We got more skilled players, but there was a reason these kids weren't recruited to the top schools, and a lot of them didn't pan out. Now, though, the few who did are good enough to help CBP attract true top talent like Harris, and almost Selby. There's your proof he's getting us on the map. Plus, it's only been 4 years, and it's not like 2 Sweet 16's & 3 SEC E champ are no success, esp when you act like an elite 8 is the holy grail. Why is it so hard to convince Vol fans we have a good coach, when it is common knowledge to Kansas fans or anyone else?
 
#194
#194
vader said:
there you go
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I was there. Un-freaking-believable. Such a stunner.

Jermaine Brown was inserted to do exactly what he did - crash the boards hard and try to make something happen. He could jump out of the gym for a player his height.

Allen was Johnny on the Spot and put it back in with someone hovering around his ankles.
 
#195
#195
Vols520 said:
Hat hates him for being a snitch. Some hate him because they played high school ball and 'know' the game. And the rest are what i refer to as the hat groupies.

I'll wait for the predictable 'we just demand more' posts to start any minute.
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Just wondering what's wrong with hoping for improvement?
 
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#196
#196
Vercingetorix said:
You know, this may get me a short vacation, but I don't care. You can take that attitude and cram it right back up your arse. I was a student during the fabulous Wade Houston era, and I sat through dozens of miserable, listless, endless losses, and was only rewarded two or three times with a really great moment, and that was one of them. That game against Kentucky was no more meaningless to anybody in that arena in 93 than the Kansas game was to anybody in TBA Sunday night. And once your Basketball Savior bows out early in March again, the Kansas game won't end up being any more meaningful than that Kentucky game was all those years ago.

I like Pearl; I really do. I want him to be successful. But you don't have to constantly s*** on the entire history of the program in order to prop the guy up.
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Nothing offensive about that.
 
#198
#198
OrangeNYC said:
What top notch talent again? He's just starting to pull that in now. Oh, you think it's CBP's fault Hopson wasn't as good as Wall is as a freshman? Maybe that's why he was choosing between UT and Miss State... Tobias is the first guy we've gotten that the UNC's and UK's wanted. Those teams have 5 guys that highly recruited at least.
Any of you that say that any team led by Tyler Smith was more talented than the Sweet 16 team that barely lost to Ohio State are crazy. We got more skilled players, but there was a reason these kids weren't recruited to the top schools, and a lot of them didn't pan out. Now, though, the few who did are good enough to help CBP attract true top talent like Harris, and almost Selby. There's your proof he's getting us on the map. Plus, it's only been 4 years, and it's not like 2 Sweet 16's & 3 SEC E champ are no success, esp when you act like an elite 8 is the holy grail. Why is it so hard to convince Vol fans we have a good coach, when it is common knowledge to Kansas fans or anyone else?
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jp 5 star. hopson 5 star. dunno about tyler but he turned out great. so did duke crews.

the team effort as a whole was pathetic until last week.
 
#199
#199
Vols520 said:
Hat hates him for being a snitch. Some hate him because they played high school ball and 'know' the game. And the rest are what i refer to as the hat groupies.

I'll wait for the predictable 'we just demand more' posts to start any minute.
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Criticism of his deficiencies and hate are not the same things. As long as I see the intensity, defensive effort, offensive movement, and overall attempt at organization out of Pearl's team that I saw against Kansas, you won't hear those criticsms from me.

hatvol96 said:
101-40 a few weeks later indicates everyone associated with Big Blue was pretty pissed.
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It also demonstrates the absolute flukieness of the game in Knoxville. The 61 point loss was much more indicative of the strength of the teams than the UT win.
 
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