The shut down thread

[luthervol]

Provide for the common defense damn sure is

Or da common da fence!

Is that from that same document thingy that also says provide domestic tranquility and promote the general welfare in that very same sentence?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Is that from that same document thingy that also says provide domestic tranquility and promote the general welfare in that very same sentence?

Yeah we’ll use that too! I’d say a strong border defense indeed supports those concepts. Good addition Luther!

 

[luthervol]

Yeah we’ll use that too! I’d say a strong border defense indeed supports those concepts. Good addition Luther!

A few may feel that way, but more would feel that way about universal healthcare. I think you may be on to something.

 

[evillawyer]

A few may feel that way, but more would feel that way about universal healthcare. I think you may be on to something.

I've tried to have this debate with folks. I think providing for healthcare should be a core function of government. It's certainly more basic than things like education, national parks, foreign aid, disaster relief, arts funding, etc.

 

[volfanjustin]

I've tried to have this debate with folks. I think providing for healthcare should be a core function of government. It's certainly more basic than things like education, national parks, foreign aid, disaster relief, arts funding, etc.

What about food, housing and transportation? Most people would choose free food,housing and transportation over free healthcare

 

[1972 Grad]

What about food, housing and transportation? Most people would choose free food,housing and transportation over free healthcare

Most folks would like a new car.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I've tried to have this debate with folks. I think providing for healthcare should be a core function of government. It's certainly more basic than things like education, national parks, foreign aid, disaster relief, arts funding, etc.

And we completely disagree with you and reject your whole argument.

We are not one damn bit interested in your snake oil. The government needs to stay the hell out of the healthcare business it what many of us feel and are not interested in changing our minds.

 

[NorthDallas40]

A few may feel that way, but more would feel that way about universal healthcare. I think you may be on to something.

Yawn

 

[jvol1]

What about food, housing and transportation? Most people would choose free food,housing and transportation over free healthcare

For those in need I would see housing and food as an extension of healthcare. Of course, I think we have to trade in the national pension to be able to have these things.

 

[evillawyer]

What about food, housing and transportation? Most people would choose free food,housing and transportation over free healthcare

Even under the most austere forms of government, one of the core functions of government is to ensure the safety of its citizens. Conceptually, I don't see a big difference in spending money to repel an invader and spending money to repel cancer.

 

[luthervol]

Yawn

I prefer your maniacal laughter over a yawn when you realize you have nothing. But it is Monday morning, so understandable I guess.

 

[volfanjustin]

Even under the most austere forms of government, one of the core functions of government is to ensure the safety of its citizens. Conceptually, I don't see a big difference in spending money to repel an invader and spending money to repel cancer.

Again, which would you rather have free housing or free healthcare, free food or free healthcare? 95%, maybe more of people would say housing and food

 

[NorthDallas40]

I prefer your maniacal laughter over a yawn when you realize you have nothing. But it is Monday morning, so understandable I guess.

It wasn’t me who had nothing in this particular case... this the yawn

 

[NorthDallas40]

Even under the most austere forms of government, one of the core functions of government is to ensure the safety of its citizens. Conceptually, I don't see a big difference in spending money to repel an invader and spending money to repel cancer.

Ridiculous. Safety /= Healthy. Absolute ridiculous argument.

 

[luthervol]

It wasn’t me who had nothing in this particular case... this the yawn

I thought it was you who brought up the idiotic "provide for a common defense" angle. It must have been someone else who had no clue.

 

[BowlBrother85]

So its day 15 or so and I still don't understand what I'm missing that the government was doing for me?

Does everything have to be about you? There are 800,000 federal workers not being paid because of this.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I thought it was you who brought up the idiotic "provide for a common defense" angle. It must have been someone else who had no clue.

Common defense is idiotic? Guess you libs really are clueless on external threats.

 

[1972 Grad]

And we completely disagree with you and reject your whole argument.

We are not one damn bit interested in your snake oil. The government needs to stay the hell out of the healthcare business it what many of us feel and are not interested in changing our minds.

Healthcare....schmelthcare. Most people would be fine if they didn't smoke , drink, do drugs, eat like a pig, etc.. Then, the vast majority could steer clear of the medical profession.

Doctors have only 3 tools in their arsenal: therapy, pills, and surgery. Therapy generally doesn't do much. Pills have side effects, and surgery may work, or may cause other problems. We rely way too much on the medical profession, and they bury their mistakes.

 

[1972 Grad]

Does everything have to be about you? There are 800,000 federal workers not being paid because of this.

They will get back pay.

 

[NorthDallas40]

They will get back pay.

^— !!

 

[BowlBrother85]

I agree with you on this. If a wall was such a priority he should have shut the government down before the last CR was passed. He didn’t. He gave up almost all leverage then.

And it’s obvious why he didn’t. He was too scared of only having the republicans to blame for the shutdown since they had control of all branches. This is what you get, if you are pro wall, for worrying about elections and not policy.

Solid post and agree 100%.

 

[Velo Vol]

Most people would be fine if they didn't smoke , drink, do drugs, eat like a pig, etc...

Not all, sadly.

 

[happy-go_vol]

I've tried to have this debate with folks. I think providing for healthcare should be a core function of government. It's certainly more basic than things like education, national parks, foreign aid, disaster relief, arts funding, etc.

Lol, just a complete foolish idea. You'll more people denied coverage than ever. Its just ignorant to think that universal coverage will be viable. Make it a true free market without the regulations and the cost will go way down

 

[happy-go_vol]

Does everything have to be about you? There are 800,000 federal workers not being paid because of this.

Well there are many private jobs open thanks to the tax cuts.

 

[1972 Grad]

Not all, sadly.

Probably 85-90% would . Then, we could send the rest to the doctor, and let them take their chances with the medical profession.