The sissification and emasculation of the American male

[Zues1]

To a degree yes....not sure I'd your younger or older them me..but if older then you or just responsible and if younger then your irresponsible for the 1st generation to ever have a lower avg IQ..or is it society as a whole the share the main burden as trends and societal expectations changed?

That statement is difficult to read.

 

[whodeycin85]

That statement is difficult to read.

Sorry. I'll edit...

 

[hog88]

and you(r generation) raised them.

Sadly you are correct, it just goes to show the quote to be correct. And we are going to see some hard times.

“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”​

 

[Grand Vol]

... and now we're faced with a war we cant avoid.

Civil War 2?

 

[jvol1]

Civil War 2?

It originates in russia, but that could certainly be part of it.

 

[LouderVol]

Sadly you are correct, it just goes to show the quote to be correct. And we are going to see some hard times.

“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”​

agreed.

it sucks that the older generations were able to "Eff Around", and my generation is stuck with the "Find Out" part of the mess they made.

 

[hog88]

agreed.

it sucks that the older generations were able to "Eff Around", and my generation is stuck with the "Find Out" part of the mess they made.

Yeah, it is your generation that will hit the hardest. Most Gen Xers will be dead and your generation will be too old start over when my grandkids generation finally pulls the last Jinga piece. Enjoy.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Easy to say from the sidelines. I'll leave it at that.

WTF does that even mean?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Lost as in someone you know, cool. I've watched men die in front of me. You can be mad, but we are not the same.

Did those men die fighting to defend this country from existential threats?

Or did they die to try to achieve some geopolitical outcome that would benefit a select few?

Instead if you grandstanding about how many men you have witnessed dying, you should be pizzed off at the people that shipped those men overseas to die for no beneficial reason halfway around the globe.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Korea was successful. South Korea existing is proof of capitalisms victory over communism. The rest were failures though

And alternatively, China is proof of what?

And really, to a certain extent, throw Vietnam and Thailand into that conversation.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

... and now we're faced with a war we cant avoid.

We can absolutely avoid these wars. WTF are you talking about? There is no need for us to be in Europe, the Middle East or East Asia.

 

[Christian Lowe]

And alternatively, China is proof of what?

And really, to a certain extent, throw Vietnam and Thailand into that conversation.

China is also proof of communisms failures. To believe they’re economically communist is laughable.

 

[NEO]

and you(r generation) raised them.

Valid point. I think to a certain degree this was a boomerang effect from the latch key movement. A lot of kids were left to raise themselves when the two parent working model started and you ended up having a lot of Gen. X not knowing how to parent. They didn’t want to raise their kids the way they were raised and went the exact opposite and made a generation of wimps.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Valid point. I think to a certain degree this was a boomerang effect from the latch key movement. A lot of kids were left to raise themselves when the two parent working model started and you ended up having a lot of Gen. X not knowing how to parent. They didn’t want to raise their kids the way they were raised and went the exact opposite and made a generation of wimps.

Seltzer beers are not helping all of these wimps either.

 

[jvol1]

We can absolutely avoid these wars. WTF are you talking about? There is no need for us to be in Europe, the Middle East or East Asia.

The russians are using all which you cited and more as a way of stretching our resources. We will end up fighting them no matter what because that's what's intended. It's just a question of when and how quickly people wake to what's going on, if they wake up that is.

 

[hog88]

Seltzer beers are not helping all of these wimps either.

Very true. Damn things are testosterone killers.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Very true. Damn things are testosterone killers.

Steak infused seltzer beers!

 

[hog88]

Steak infused seltzer beers!

Leave the seltzers to the women.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

China is also proof of communisms failures. To believe they’re economically communist is laughable.

Exactly... they are economically more capitalist than we are.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The russians are using all which you cited and more as a way of stretching our resources.

We stretched our resources by having our fingers in all of these places. Russia had nothing to do with that. We will end up fighting them no matter what because that's what's intended.

We will end up fighting them no matter what because that's what's intended.

Intended by who exactly? Do you want a war with Russia? Do most Russian people want a war with us? Who exactly is itching for a war?

It's just a question of when and how quickly people wake to what's going on, if they wake up that is.

Wake up to what exactly? Wake up to wanting peace and diplomacy or wake up to wanting war and conflict with another country half a world away from us?

 

[AM64]

and you(r generation) raised them.

If at some point you have children of your own, you are going to find out all about peer pressure ... other kids, their parents, teachers, and now media of all kinds. Everything changes and people with conservative values can't hold it back. So while you and Ras say "our generation" raised these kids; you are probably right - the generation as a society but not we ourselves provided much of the input. The best parents can do is protect, teach, nurture, transfer values, set limits, be role models, and so on; but you are going to turn your kids over to teachers and schoolmates for at least 8 hours a day and media on phones and computers all day, and you will never undo that exposure. You'll also find that you become really dumb when kids become teens (maybe younger now), but somehow you'll regain some intelligence once your kids are on their own and figure out their teachers and friends didn't know as much as they thought they did. It's easy to criticize and assess blame/credit until you are in someone else's shoes and you figure out that you only control a small amount of the input.

 

[AM64]

agreed.

it sucks that the older generations were able to "Eff Around", and my generation is stuck with the "Find Out" part of the mess they made.

Just remember my generation got paddled in school for transgressions ... and then at home. Then Dr Spock (from an earlier generation) and others said that was no way to raise kids. Then when kids ran amok because they couldn't receive a swat across the bottom, the psychology crowd stepped in with a bunch of terms like ADD, ADHD, etc and started handing out pills. That's culture change that you and I as individuals can't fight.

The other thing we can't fight is the exposure to TV and other media. My generation was outside where my parents and other adults could often see what was going on; when phones and computers came into being, that changed oversight radically. It also meant kids were exposed to values and thoughts well beyond parental control - I promise if you have kids, you'll learn that. That doesn't even cover the difference between "Leave It to Beaver" vs what's on TV now - look at a commercial and see what the "typical" family is now vs then - I guarantee that you and I don't control programming or the "social values" portrayed even in a commercial.

I grew up in a military family - exposed to a lot of different environments. I can promise you that values and ways of doing things in a small middle TN town varied from Maryville even in the 50s, and none were even close to a much larger place like Denver. I'm so glad the exposure to Denver was limited - that place was toxic even back then, and probably not so different from most cities. But guess which environment kids see on TV these days - it's going to be city life and not small town America.

As hog says bad times will be coming. Your generation is buying into all the nonsense fed it and is ignoring the basics. It's a choice you made to look at one side without contemplating the rest; you won't be ready for the hard times and some of it is that your generations point blame rather than accept responsibility or decide what you see happening is the wrong path.

 

[AM64]

The russians are using all which you cited and more as a way of stretching our resources. We will end up fighting them no matter what because that's what's intended. It's just a question of when and how quickly people wake to what's going on, if they wake up that is.

This is the Cold War 2.0, and people haven't figured that out ... too busy being awakened to woke to see a bigger picture.

 

[AM64]

Exactly... they are economically more capitalist than we are.

There's nothing truly capitalist about China. It's manipulated by some very rich members of the CCP ... which is probably much more in tune with what Hitler was pushing than what Marx was pushing. China is still totalitarian with a different twist.

 

[jvol1]

We stretched our resources by having our fingers in all of these places. Russia had nothing to do with that. We will end up fighting them no matter what because that's what's intended.


Intended by who exactly? Do you want a war with Russia? Do most Russian people want a war with us? Who exactly is itching for a war?



Wake up to what exactly? Wake up to wanting peace and diplomacy or wake up to wanting war and conflict with another country half a world away from us?

russia wants the war. They invaded ukraine. I dont think it's clear at this point that russia ambition is global, but using conventional military in this way, as opposed to rigging elections as they've done in the past, is a big step up in their operations.

If you want to go to the weird zone, I would point out that this is likely the end game for a chess like gambit that was put in motion when the Berlin wall fell in the 80s. The curious, sudden fall of the wall was questioned "The creature from Jekyll island" Apparently the ploy is something like strategically ceding the states of eastern europe to the west in the hope of creating a battle front on their home turf on Russia's western border in a larger war.

As far as I go, I'm all in favor of peace and I like the russians. Unfortunately, the scope of what's happening in ukraine indicates that people are being manipulated towards an end that will leave many dead on both sides. But if people would wake to how they're being manipulated (on both sides) that fate might be avoided.