The sissification and emasculation of the American male

[LouderVol]

LOL. I think you misunderstand my madness. I put my rant on this board, not because I need validation - I am too old and the ship of my thoughts has already sailed on the seas of long experience to think much differently. Rather it is so that I can speak freely here so that I lessen the urge to do so in my day to day activities. Last night, I spoke with a well known rap star, next week I am meeting with a governor. Rarely, do I have a chance to be so blunt but instead am circumspect as need requires to influence. Thus while I could rant to myself or my close circle of friends, as I worry for the world my son will find as he continues.

Unlike many who merely grouse, I have done some things toward change and still do, though I feel sure I have failed more than I have succeeded. Even so, I kvetch here because I truly am at a loss as to how we have so quickly arrived in this desperate place and equally so, what to do about it.

Do you have any answers? or are you just like the dog with the cup of coffee in the burning building saying things are fine?

eh, I just don't think its my place to interfere with anyone else or tell them how they are doing it wrong. I will prep me and mine the best I can, that's all I can do. If anything its just removing competition for some of my male descendants. Probably won't be all of them, but I will love them the same even if they are sissies.

I have also met and interacted with any number of "sissies" I would consider far better people than many of the "manly" people I have dealt with, so I don't assign an intrinsic value to how tough one is considered to be.

the world will continue on just fine even with a growing number of "sissies". Human's have always domesticated themselves from day 1, with each consecutive generation decrying the next as the sure downfall of "this" society. You can go back and read letters from guys who fought in WW2 complaining about how their dad's got onto them for being sissies, or hoping their dad finally sees them as a man. so it was a problem even for the "best generation ever". The trope of walking 5 miles to school uphill both ways in the snow didn't start in the 20th century.

frankly I don't think the west is much farther down the slippery slope than anyone else. The rest just have more of a top down authoritarian society that keeps things from the public. And you can see the cracks if you look. And personally I would trade open sissies over an authoritarian government trying to dictate my preferred lifestyle on others.

 

[LouderVol]

Preach it brother. I see so many limp wristed males walking around knowing damn well they couldn't defend themselves. Much less a family.
Makes me want to puke.

can you point me to your youtube channel so I can see you growing, hunting, and prepping all of your own food? What's your medicinal plant knowledge base? Have an independent water supply? Power, fuel? How good are you at fixing all of that? your definition of defending your family is probably very narrow to fit exactly what you can do, and little else.

 

[Go aeiou]

eh, I just don't think its my place to interfere with anyone else or tell them how they are doing it wrong. I will prep me and mine the best I can, that's all I can do. If anything its just removing competition for some of my male descendants. Probably won't be all of them, but I will love them the same even if they are sissies.

I have also met and interacted with any number of "sissies" I would consider far better people than many of the "manly" people I have dealt with, so I don't assign an intrinsic value to how tough one is considered to be.

the world will continue on just fine even with a growing number of "sissies". Human's have always domesticated themselves from day 1, with each consecutive generation decrying the next as the sure downfall of "this" society. You can go back and read letters from guys who fought in WW2 complaining about how their dad's got onto them for being sissies, or hoping their dad finally sees them as a man. so it was a problem even for the "best generation ever". The trope of walking 5 miles to school uphill both ways in the snow didn't start in the 20th century.

frankly I don't think the west is much farther down the slippery slope than anyone else. The rest just have more of a top down authoritarian society that keeps things from the public. And you can see the cracks if you look. And personally I would trade open sissies over an authoritarian government trying to dictate my preferred lifestyle on others.

Excellent post.

I have to point out though: I walked five miles to school with a 30 mph wind blowing snow in my face in zero temps. During the day the wind would change directions and the temp would fall so that I walked 5 miles home in a 40 mph wind in my face in minus 10 degree temps.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

eh, I just don't think its my place to interfere with anyone else or tell them how they are doing it wrong. I will prep me and mine the best I can, that's all I can do. If anything its just removing competition for some of my male descendants. Probably won't be all of them, but I will love them the same even if they are sissies.

I have also met and interacted with any number of "sissies" I would consider far better people than many of the "manly" people I have dealt with, so I don't assign an intrinsic value to how tough one is considered to be.

the world will continue on just fine even with a growing number of "sissies". Human's have always domesticated themselves from day 1, with each consecutive generation decrying the next as the sure downfall of "this" society. You can go back and read letters from guys who fought in WW2 complaining about how their dad's got onto them for being sissies, or hoping their dad finally sees them as a man. so it was a problem even for the "best generation ever". The trope of walking 5 miles to school uphill both ways in the snow didn't start in the 20th century.

frankly I don't think the west is much farther down the slippery slope than anyone else. The rest just have more of a top down authoritarian society that keeps things from the public. And you can see the cracks if you look. And personally I would trade open sissies over an authoritarian government trying to dictate my preferred lifestyle on others.

PREACH HOSS.

The general definition of manliness is comical these days. It's often confused with peer-induced expectations and overcompensation.

 

[Zues1]

can you point me to your youtube channel so I can see you growing, hunting, and prepping all of your own food? What's your medicinal plant knowledge base? Have an independent water supply? Power, fuel? How good are you at fixing all of that? your definition of defending your family is probably very narrow to fit exactly what you can do, and little else.

YouTube channel
I imagine your definition is probably calling someone else to defend your family.
You best believe I can take care of my own.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

PREACH HOSS.

The general definition of manliness is comical these days. It's often confused with peer-induced expectations and overcompensation.

I can chug 3 claws in 10 minutes. Masculinity is raging at an all time high.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I can chug 3 claws in 10 minutes. Masculinity is raging at an all time high.

I can start a bow drill fire in the rain while chainsmoking Lucky Strikes GAWBLESS!

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I can start a bow drill fire in the rain while chainsmoking Lucky Strikes GAWBLESS!

Lucky strikes still exist?

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Lucky strikes still exist?

Yes. I bought a pack at a late night bodega in Portugal last month so I assume we still have them here too.

 

[MercyPercy]

I'm so manly that I only date big strong men

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I'm so manly that I only date big strong men

Are you Madonna?

 

[Gandalf]

PREACH HOSS.

The general definition of manliness is comical these days. It's often confused with peer-induced expectations and overcompensation.

Well, the peer inducement seems to make men think they are actually women and vice versa. When you have ~10% of your teen population identifying themselves as something other than the male or female reality they were born with, you have a serious mental problem that seems to be expanding at a fast pace. This isn't "merely" a predilection for the same sex, this is reality bending thinking that you actually ARE a different sex.

eh, I just don't think its my place to interfere with anyone else or tell them how they are doing it wrong. I will prep me and mine the best I can, that's all I can do. If anything its just removing competition for some of my male descendants. Probably won't be all of them, but I will love them the same even if they are sissies.

I have also met and interacted with any number of "sissies" I would consider far better people than many of the "manly" people I have dealt with, so I don't assign an intrinsic value to how tough one is considered to be.

the world will continue on just fine even with a growing number of "sissies". Human's have always domesticated themselves from day 1, with each consecutive generation decrying the next as the sure downfall of "this" society. You can go back and read letters from guys who fought in WW2 complaining about how their dad's got onto them for being sissies, or hoping their dad finally sees them as a man. so it was a problem even for the "best generation ever". The trope of walking 5 miles to school uphill both ways in the snow didn't start in the 20th century.

frankly I don't think the west is much farther down the slippery slope than anyone else. The rest just have more of a top down authoritarian society that keeps things from the public. And you can see the cracks if you look. And personally I would trade open sissies over an authoritarian government trying to dictate my preferred lifestyle on others.

This has little to do with how I may feel toward any one individual - and anyone expressing hatred toward any of these poor souls should be censored forthwith. They deserve pity and need help not hatred. At some point, the numbers in aggregate become a societal problem. These people are less likely to breed and if they do, their offspring is less likely to carry the beneficial traits for survival of the following generations.

First, they laugh and try to discredit those with the temerity to point out the utter decline in masculinity and femininity in the social order. Now the willful perversion has gone so far as to deny biological function of male and female. Oh, we are so modern, look at us, we have ascended beyond the arcane beliefs and silly mores of our forebearers and the gods who have made us. So said so many societies in the past. When schools still functioned, we read about those societies as their empires fell into decay and are no more. That is what is happening to Pax Americana RIGHT NOW. Many of you are just too blind to see it.

All this queer male?female confusion is but one branch of a tree with deep roots that is utterly destroying this country and the Christian West at large. Racebaiting, oppression olympics, utter contempt for your own nation and its history - these types of beliefs do not engender growth or cohesion but destruction. Every empire on earth was first destroyed from within long before it succumbed to the coup de grace delivered from outside.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Welp, guess I'll just be a man without a country when Pax Americana is devoured from within by the Gay-rmanic cultural incursion.

Couldn't even last 300 years. Pity.

 

[KB5252]

Hard times brings about "tough" men, and women for that matter. Easy times brings about more fragile men, and women.

We are about to have a couple of "tough" generations I fear.

 

[Aesius]

The testosterone thing is the main culprit.

71% of American men are overweight or obese. And most men are either mostly or completely sedentary.

During our grandfathers' generation, very few males were overweight (especially kids, teens, and young adults), and most males did manual labor either at home, at work, or both.

If you're fit and active, your T levels will likely be normal to high, and that in turn will have a significant influence on your mood, outlook on life, energy levels, confidence, libido, drive, etc.

That said, I think a lot of men's bodies are essentially programmed to be low T from birth/childhood due to virtually every food or drink we consume being highly processed or laden with toxic chemicals.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

I saw this comic and could not help but reflect on how sad it made me thinking of where we have come to as a country.

What makes me sad is not that the angry feminist is threatening violence to the terrified male who made a comment about her looks. Rather, its that the person (near guaranteed to be female) who created this strip, clearly sees the average so called man today as so weak and effeminate that she thinks these actions would be considered a threat instead of an act of flirtation. That she thinks such a display of the power of her thunder thighs would terrify a man instead of giving him a raging hard on.

I cannot think of a single red blooded and red voting man I know who would have been intimidated by that but would rather be asking for a date (or something a bit more) ASAP. Real men arent threatened by strong women - because of course, they are confident in their own strength.

This tells me that this poor angry woman is surrounded by soy breasted liberal males who are trying to decide how many genders they are, who they may have micro aggressed this week or hunting for the nearest safe space, with what little testosterone they had left having trickled out on the floor after said angry woman whips out a burdizzo.

That line about testosterone is accurate as well. If you have a bunch of sissies prancing about like fairies in Shakespeare's MSND, perhaps its because since the 1970s, testosterone levels have been seriously dropping. Studies have shown that across all age groups, average testosterone levels are dropping by 1% every year. Most of you really are half the man your father was, and even less of the man your grandfather was, certainly hormonally speaking. Sperm counts are dropping off a cliff and even grip strength has declined (which is why there are so many limp wristed handshakes).

Then you also see these basement dwelling incel cowards, who have decided to be a Fortnite GAWD!!!! rather than a responsible mate. Dropping out of the gene pool to stroke out their fantasies as digital denizens rather than embrace the warm flesh of the real world, with all its imperfections.

If men are not being men, it stands to reason women start figuring that SOMEBODY needs to be the man, so more of them are trying to act like one. No wonder boys and girls think they are either Hedwig or the angry bitch.

If we dont do something about it soon, we will certainly lose the population and perhaps even what we have come to know as "civilization" itself.

So what do we do about it? How do we as a nation restore manhood to its rightful place, where it is worthy to lead a dance with a womanhood reinvigorated by the bracing redolence of our sweat, our sacrifice and the strength of our body and mind to protect them, our family and our way of life?

Maybe start by stop politicizing everything just to post a dig at people not affiliated with the far right? I'm an independent voter, for example, and found the cartoon both funny, and also sad for the reasons you state. That is, without the politicized junk. I also think angry and, yes, dare I say it? bigoted feminist are starting to pay the price for their anti-male bigotry. So now we got Passport Bros, men shying away from commitment, men avoiding women within and outside the workplace. Some even avoiding gyms where these exhibitionist things dress in outfits so tight, you see the creases that house their orifices. And if you so much as wipe sweat from your brow and happen almost gaze their way, you get MeToo accused.

OK, lets give the commitment thing a tiny bit more attention. You work hard to gain your job skills and/or education. You get a good job. You marry, it doesn't work out for whatever reason. Nine times out of ten, judges auto-blame and penalize you even if the wife is at fault, even to the point of having committed adultery and it's proven. You lose the house you bought before you married her, you pay alimony, child support, even if she has a job as good or better than yours. And in some cases, she in or out of wedlock has another kid and gets a court to increase your child support payment as a result. You see some other guy living in what should be your house. Maybe even abusing your kids, and the court still side with your now, ex. Having your child visitation shackled, and your kids weaponized for bullying you around as well. Little wonder more men are gradually wising up and leaving the fem things alone. Congratulations self-centered, angry feminists, Congratulations.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

As a single 20 something, I view the cost of divorce as ridiculous and excessive. I have worked hard in my life and exerted a fair amount of discipline to reach the position I currently find myself in. Tell me how to significantly lessen the blow in the event of a failed marriage and I’m down to seek out matrimony. Of particular interest to me is keeping complete ownership and equity in my house and my 401k and Roth IRA not being plundered, which would result in a loss of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars in compound interest.

So find a successful woman.

Or if it is the housewife you desire then realize what is being given up by the woman to marry your neanderthal a$$.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

YouTube channel
I imagine your definition is probably calling someone else to defend your family.
You best believe I can take care of my own.

Yeah, I don't believe it. You're over the top machismo does little to hide the closet in which you reside.

 

[LadyVolette]

So find a successful woman.

Or if it is the housewife you desire then realize what is being given up by the woman to marry your neanderthal a$$.

Whatever dude lol.. as a woman, that is why you find a husband where your values align, as is how they should be picking you.. it’s when couples don’t suss this out in the beginning is where they get into trouble.. and women are rarely either or, but a mixture of traditional and career, whether they realize it or not

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Whatever dude lol.. as a woman, that is why you find a husband where your values align, as is how they should be picking you.. it’s when couples don’t suss this out in the beginning is where they get into trouble.. and women are rarely either or, but a mixture of traditional and career, rather they realize it or not

Of course you try to find someone with which you are compatible, but I was talking to the poster who said he didn't want to marry because he'd have to give up some of his stuff in a divorce. My response was essentially find a successful woman or acknowledge the true value a housewife brings to the table.

Now back to the kitchen with you.

 

[Gandalf]

The testosterone thing is the main culprit.

71% of American men are overweight or obese. And most men are either mostly or completely sedentary.

During our grandfathers' generation, very few males were overweight (especially kids, teens, and young adults), and most males did manual labor either at home, at work, or both.

If you're fit and active, your T levels will likely be normal to high, and that in turn will have a significant influence on your mood, outlook on life, energy levels, confidence, libido, drive, etc.

That said, I think a lot of men's bodies are essentially programmed to be low T from birth/childhood due to virtually every food or drink we consume being highly processed or laden with toxic chemicals.

Absolutely think that chemistry is a significant culprit. Between various franken foods, plastics etc, men are simply producing much much less testosterone than previous generations. And while it is a generalization Testosterone = manliness/maleness. You start injecting a gram of testosterone a week and you immediately know what I am talking about. Aggression, strength, your pheromones change, higher pain tolerance, etc. Perhaps thats why the elite are so desperate to breed it out, feed it out or shame testosterone out of society. It is hard to control real men. Sadly, the only places that seem to have that level of aggression is criminals these days. Look at your average rail skinny or obese office worker. Soft, in every sense of the word.

Maybe start by stop politicizing everything just to post a dig at people not affiliated with the far right? I'm an independent voter, for example, and found the cartoon both funny, and also sad for the reasons you state. That is, without the politicized junk. I also think angry and, yes, dare I say it? bigoted feminist are starting to pay the price for their anti-male bigotry. So now we got Passport Bros, men shying away from commitment, men avoiding women within and outside the workplace. Some even avoiding gyms where these exhibitionists things dress in outfits so tight, you see the creases that house their orifices. And if you so much as wipe sweat from your brow and happen almost gaze their way, you get MeToo accused.

OK, lets give the commitment thing a tiny bit more attention. You work hard to gain your job skills and/or education. You get a good job. You marry, it doesn't work out for whatever reason. Nine times out of ten, judges auto-blame and penalize you even if the wife is at fault, even to the point of having committed adultery and it's proven. You lose the house you bought before you married her, you pay alimony, child support, even if she has a job as good or better than yours. And in some cases, she in or out of wedlock has another kid and gets a court to increase your child support payment as a result. You see some other guy living in what should be your house. Maybe even abusing your kids, and the court still side with your now, ex. Having your child visitation shackled, and your kids weaponized for bullying you around as well. Little wonder more men are gradually wising up and leaving the fem things alone. Congratulations self-centered, angry feminists, Congratulations.

There is a lot here that has merit. The whole provide/protect dynamic only works if the male is in charge. If he is not, then why should he be the one to provide or protect? The whole court system has gone very far against men in these regards. Men have become tired of being the mule (muscle) to pull the feminist wagons. Its understandable but I also feel like men cant ask women to follow if they are too busy hiding out in their basement to lead. Who goes first is always a challenge but if we are going to say we are men, I feel like that is part of the contract.

 

[LadyVolette]

Maybe start by stop politicizing everything just to post a dig at people not affiliated with the far right? I'm an independent voter, for example, and found the cartoon both funny, and also sad for the reasons you state. That is, without the politicized junk. I also think angry and, yes, dare I say it? bigoted feminist are starting to pay the price for their anti-male bigotry. So now we got Passport Bros, men shying away from commitment, men avoiding women within and outside the workplace. Some even avoiding gyms where these exhibitionists things dress in outfits so tight, you see the creases that house their orifices. And if you so much as wipe sweat from your brow and happen almost gaze their way, you get MeToo accused.

OK, lets give the commitment thing a tiny bit more attention. You work hard to gain your job skills and/or education. You get a good job. You marry, it doesn't work out for whatever reason. Nine times out of ten, judges auto-blame and penalize you even if the wife is at fault, even to the point of having committed adultery and it's proven. You lose the house you bought before you married her, you pay alimony, child support, even if she has a job as good or better than yours. And in some cases, she in or out of wedlock has another kid and gets a court to increase your child support payment as a result. You see some other guy living in what should be your house. Maybe even abusing your kids, and the court still side with your now, ex. Having your child visitation shackled, and your kids weaponized for bullying you around as well. Little wonder more men are gradually wising up and leaving the fem things alone. Congratulations self-centered, angry feminists, Congratulations.

In the words of Bell Biv Devoe.. ‘Never trust a big butt and a smile’ Liberal, Conservative, y’all are all too visual and that’s why y’all pick bad

 

[WoodsmanVol]

In the words of Bell Biv Devoe.. ‘Never trust a big butt and a smile’ Liberal, Conservative, y’all are all too visual and that’s why y’all pick bad

And men who stubbornly and stupidly continue to do so, they deserve the consequences.

 

[LadyVolette]

And men who stubbornly and stupidly continue to do so, they deserve the consequences.

Well, if you don’t learn..that’s what happens lol.. we won’t have the same bodies thirty years later, but we will have the same brains and personalities

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Lots of thoughts here, in no particular order:

I do not believe 70% of the US is overweight or obese. I last read that almost 40% are obese, but to get to 70% one would have to go by the government stupid BMI and include every man or woman that was a single pound over their extremely simplified BMI formula which is: men should weigh 100lbs plus 7lbs for every inch height over 5ft. Women should do same except 5lbs for every inch over 5 feet. So a woman who was 5ft 6in tall and weighed 131lbs would be counted as overweight. Body types vary far too much for the BMI to be accurate. However, a simple trip to Walmart will show anyone that we are insanely overweight compared to previous generations. Zero doubt about this...but i would put the actual % of overweight folks at around 50%.

As far as testosterone dropping 1% a year, the data and eye test say this is accurate. Part of the problem is city water facilities do NOT screen out hormones from birth control when recycling our water. So everyone is eating, drinking, and bathing in female hormones daily unless you're on a well. Second problem is that in order to grow chickens that are bigger than turkeys were a generation ago with 2lbs or more of breast meat, chickens have also been given hormones. Also been bred to keep those traits forever. So boys eat that crap too. Lastly, microplastics permeate every single tissue and bone in our bodies. Recent study says we intake enough tiny plastic particles every day that its equivalent to everyone in the US EATING a credit card every month. Studies have shown that ingesting even small amounts of these particles can stunt testosterone production. Eating soybeans and soy protein in processed foods also causes the body to produce estrogen...which nullifies natural testosterone. Men and boys these days are under Tassault 24/7/365...


I have a 21yo son and a 14yo daughter. Having been around all of their friends and classmates, youth group etc I can honestly say that this generation is without a doubt not as masculine as mine. Some of it can be attributed to the above stuff, but i think much of it is also due to distractions. Many young teens today would simply rather be on social media or playing video games than lifting weights or even chasing girls. They just have different mindsets. Which can also be attributed to hormones, but I think it is also a cultural issue. My experience is of course subjective...but i have spent a great deal of time around teens in the last decade or so. Guys generally seem to not care as much about gaining muscle and being physically strong. It is hard for me to understand but seems to be true. I am glad that my son lifts weights, for HIM, but i would love him the same if he did not. I have taught my daughter how to build things, how to maintain a car, how to box (we have gloves) and most importantly how to budget financially to be self sufficient. Same as my son. I do not want her to ever have to rely on a man for anything but companionship...it seems many of the boys at either of my kids ages have not been taught these things. From here, I do not know if its from them not caring enough to learn, or their parents not caring enough to teach them. Most of them cannot change a tire if they get a flat. Imagine being a grown man and being that helpless?

Let me also add that girls at either of their ages are nothing like my wife...and this began dying in my generation. They cannot cook, have no desire to learn how to...and when it comes to helplessness they make the boys look like Supermen. Many of them also say they do not want kids. A good % of them arent even worried about getting their drivers license. This is so polar opposite of how teens were when i was that age...i just turned 46...that it is hard for me to understand too. Louder was absolutely correct in that every generation thinks the 1 after them is strange...but the differences these days do seem very pronounced. We will see how it all pans out i guess. These kids are all tech savvy...so hopefully that helps them in the future. I try to teach and prepare mine to be responsible adults and prepare them for hard times to come. I second guess myself a lot internally, but hopefully i am able to make them able to flourish even after we are gone....and trust God to take care of the rest.

Anyway...good posts and conversations. GO VOLS