The Star Wars 8 SPOILER thread.

#26
#26
burntorangeVOLffle said:
I honestly think they came up with a pretty creative way take Luke out. We’ve seen him in two light saber duels already. And we’ve seen plenty of duels in general since then. As a life long SW fan I was satisfied with how he used in the climax.

I have a feeling he will be around as a Force Ghost.
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i think the scene was pretty cryptic so im not fully convinced luke is 'gone'. His last words to ben was basically the same that the old ben aka obi wan said to vader. And then he says see ya around kid and the scene flips back to him meditating, only to see him fade away again.

So why go through all that just to kill him off, just let ben kill him if you want him to be a force ghost. Again, why be so cryptic and/or flip floppy?
 
#27
#27
burntorangeVOLffle said:
Easy friend. I like to think we have healthy disagreements.

I’m not going to get into the semantics of nitpicking but I do put a minor character’s stutter in that category. I even agreed it was kinda silly.
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Nah we’re cool. Just stop nitpicking my nitpicking.
 
#28
#28
VolsSportsFan said:
Um, no I didn't. I don't think you understand my point in bringing up Obi-Wan saying he couldn't interfere.
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Spell it out for me then.

I’ve always taken Obi-Wan saying he couldn’t interfere as an ethereal sort of way. Not meaning in a physical sense.

If we are tying to apply logic Obi-Wan could have at least popped up and surprised Vader to help Luke get the drop on him.

Ultimately it’s never been established that a force ghost cannot touch someone physically. If they deciddd Yoda can tap Luke in the head then now we have a baseline that it can happen.
 
#29
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Spell it out for me then.

I’ve always taken Obi-Wan saying he couldn’t interfere as an ethereal sort of way. Not meaning in a physical sense.

If we are tying to apply logic Obi-Wan could have at least popped up and surprised Vader to help Luke get the drop on him.

Ultimately it’s never been established that a force ghost cannot touch someone physically. If they deciddd Yoda can tap Luke in the head then now we have a baseline that it can happen.
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I always took it the opposite; if you choose to face Vader there is nothing I can do for you physically and meant he knew Luke would be overmatched in a lightsaber battle against Vader.

To be honest, I've always felt the Force was cool and silly at the same time because the rules seemed to change with whatever the situation was. For example, in the prequels, it shows Qui-Gonn and Obi-Wan running very fast away in the beginning of the film, yet later when they are fighting Darth Maul and Qui-Gonn gets caught with him alone Kenobi doesn't use force fast to get to him, he runs at regular speed and gets shut out. And yeah you can argue a million different things, but it gets down to it seems to assume whatever the situation is.

So my bigger nitpick I think is the inconsistency of the Force. And yeah it's sci-fi so it's not going to make sense but it doesn't seem to make sense within it's own reality.
 
#30
#30
VolsSportsFan said:
I always took it the opposite; if you choose to face Vader there is nothing I can do for you physically and meant he knew Luke would be overmatched in a lightsaber battle against Vader.

To be honest, I've always felt the Force was cool and silly at the same time because the rules seemed to change with whatever the situation was. For example, in the prequels, it shows Qui-Gonn and Obi-Wan running very fast away in the beginning of the film, yet later when they are fighting Darth Maul and Qui-Gonn gets caught with him alone Kenobi doesn't use force fast to get to him, he runs at regular speed and gets shut out. And yeah you can argue a million different things, but it gets down to it seems to assume whatever the situation is.

So my bigger nitpick I think is the inconsistency of the Force. And yeah it's sci-fi so it's not going to make sense but it doesn't seem to make sense within it's own reality.
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I agree with inconsistency in Star Wars and it goes beyond the force and into the originals. It’s stuff you have to role with as a Star Wars fan.

If you’ve ever watched the Honest Trailers for the originals you wonder why these movies are so enduring.

One thing about the new ones that Star Wars fans need to come to terms with is the magic of Ep 4-6 will never be replicated. Those movies are riddled with inconsistencies and flaws themselves but when they came out they were a completely fresh experience. The core characters and the actors who played them defined the franchise. I’m not saying there can’t be good movies anymore. Just that the expectations of a better movie than ESB need to be tempered.
 
#31
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I agree with inconsistency in Star Wars and it goes beyond the force and into the originals. It’s stuff you have to role with as a Star Wars fan.

If you’ve ever watched the Honest Trailers for the originals you wonder why these movies are so enduring.

One thing about the new ones that Star Wars fans need to come to terms with is the magic of Ep 4-6 will never be replicated. Those movies are riddled with inconsistencies and flaws themselves but when they came out they were a completely fresh experience. The core characters and the actors who played them defined the franchise. I’m not saying there can’t be good movies anymore. Just that the expectations of a better movie than ESB need to be tempered.
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Yeah, I try to watch at least the originals at least once a year, and while I will always love them, they did have their problems.

One thing I chuckle at is how people complained about how whiny Anakin was in the prequels; watch A New Hope and ESB and tell me Luke isn't as big of a whiny brat as Anakin. I get the dialogue and Christensen's acting is bad but I now think the whininess actually fits well because like father like son.
 
#32
#32
VolsSportsFan said:
Yeah, I try to watch at least the originals at least once a year, and while I will always love them, they did have their problems.

One thing I chuckle at is how people complained about how whiny Anakin was in the prequels; watch A New Hope and ESB and tell me Luke isn't as big of a whiny brat as Anakin. I get the dialogue and Christensen's acting is bad but I now think the whininess actually fits well because like father like son.
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Long before the prequels ever came out my friends and I would mock each other for being whiney by saying in a high pitch voice “I wanted to go to Toshie Station to pick up some power converters.”



Another thing that bugs me about long time fans is they forget who these movies were made for and what age they were when they fell in love with them. They want the new movies to grow up to their own levels of sophistication and when they don’t they feel let down.

The reaction to this one boggles my mind though. It’s love or hate and I can’t understand why. It falls right in the middle of the franchise for me.
 
#33
#33
Boston Vol said:
overall I was extremely disappointed with it. Some good parts, but there were some really, really bad parts as well.

The Good:
1. The Rey/Ren fight with the Preatorian Guards was fantastic. As good as anything in the previous films.
2. Yoda
3. I’m glad they took some shine off of Poe.
4. Rey in general

The bad:
1. The entire Canto Bight sequence was awful. Looked like something out of the prequels.
2. Rose was a completely useless character.
3. Leia turning into Wonder Woman.
4. They have no idea what to do with Finn’s character.
5. Luke tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder.
6. No snoke backstory
7. Cheap laughs
8. Luke dusting off his shoulder.
9. Luke milking whatever that big thing was.
10. How they handled Luke in general.

It was entertaining, but it felt more like a guardians of the galaxy type film. There really wasn’t a story, just a bunch of different storylines that never really meshed. They had a real chance to advance the storyline from TFA, but it’s like they decided to completely ignore what had happened previously. Hopefully JJ can pull off episode 9. I do believe how they wrap up this trilogy will affect the way people view this movie down the road.
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Snoke, lack of saber battle, no backstory. less useless bull**** more Luke and or Rey.
 
#34
#34
burntorangeVOLffle said:
Long before the prequels ever came out my friends and I would mock each other for being whiney by saying in a high pitch voice “I wanted to go to Toshie Station to pick up some power converters.”



Another thing that bugs me about long time fans is they forget who these movies were made for and what age they were when they fell in love with them. They want the new movies to grow up to their own levels of sophistication and when they don’t they feel let down.

The reaction to this one boggles my mind though. It’s love or hate and I can’t understand why. It falls right in the middle of the franchise for me.
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Sounds like you have some cool ass friends.
 
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#36
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Boston Vol said:
overall I was extremely disappointed with it. Some good parts, but there were some really, really bad parts as well.

The Good:
1. The Rey/Ren fight with the Preatorian Guards was fantastic. As good as anything in the previous films.
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I have a problem with that scene. So Ren is strong enough in the force to hide his intentions from his master and kill Snoke but two force users can't easily overcome non-force users in a straight up fight?
 
#37
#37
Also am I the only one who thought they fricked up and did a disservice to Ackbar's character? Instead of that woman admiral it should have been Ackbar who volunteered to give his life to protect the resistance. It fits with his character and would have been a great way to send him off.
 
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#38
#38
Burhead said:
I have a problem with that scene. So Ren is strong enough in the force to hide his intentions from his master and kill Snoke but two force users can't easily overcome non-force users in a straight up fight?
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That is nitpicky as **** imo. Obi Wan and Anakin fought Magnaguards on the bridge of the Invisible Hand and though they were beaten, they did give them a fight. Those droids obviously arent force sensitive and Obi Wan and Anakin were likely more powerful then Ren and Rey. Jedi and force users are good but not invincible and the Preatorian Guards (like their Imperial Royal Guard predecessors) are elite fighters.
 
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#39
#39
The only scene I had a real problem with was the Leia in space part. I think it would have bothered me a lot less if she had done a force push off of some debris back toward the ship or something, but they way they shot it made it look like she was just flying through space. I don't really have a problem with her using the force since she is supposed to be as strong as Luke, even though she is untrained.

I liked Luke's death too because I thought they were just going to copy the Obi Wan death from the original.

As far as the projection of his image across the galaxy, it does get talked about in the books (which apparently are non canon now) but there are planets that contain a lot of light or dark side force in them and enhance force users powers while they are on the planet.

I liked Snoak's death because I wasn't expecting it and it would have been weird for Ren to kill him after how Snoak smacked him around earlier. I also thought it was clever that Ren used his thoughts to deceive him. I can't remember the exact wording of Snoak reading his thoughts, but it was something like "I can feel your resolve strengthening to do what you have to and now you are turning the light saber towards the person you hate the most, ready to strike her down."

Overall, this was probably my favorite movie outside of the original trilogy and I liked that it was much more original than Force Awakens.
 
#40
#40
Did anybody catch the Jedi texts being in the drawer where Fin got the blanket out for Rose? I did the second time I watched it. Which is why Yoda had no problem destroying the tree. And Yoda was definitely a force ghost. He had that blueish glow about him the whole time.

I would recommend everyone seeing it twice. My opinion changed for the better on my second viewing. It doesn’t beat the OG trilogy but nothing will ever top those. Rogue One is my favorite of the new movies but depending on how episode 9 builds off of TLJ, that might change.
 
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#41
#41
Boston Vol said:
The more I think about the Finn/Rose storyline, the more upset I get. We only have 6 hours to find this mystical code breaker and save the resistance, but hey let’s spend time looking through mounted binoculars and talking about animal cruelty and how awful all these rich people are. They could have used that 20 minutes to give us something on snoke, or showed Rey training, or showed Ren completing his training.
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Agreed 100%. That whole sequence was a big fat waste of time and it brought back memories of the prequel era for me (which is not a good thing). It was like some weird combination of the prequels, Hunger Games, and Harry Potter.

For me this movie was a huge dud. It had some really cool moments but not enough of them to overcome all the cringe-worthy bad moments. To me it's like comparing an album with 3 amazing songs and 7 stinkers. You cannot call that a great album with that kind of good/bad ratio.
 
#42
#42
SandoVOL said:
i think the scene was pretty cryptic so im not fully convinced luke is 'gone'. His last words to ben was basically the same that the old ben aka obi wan said to vader. And then he says see ya around kid and the scene flips back to him meditating, only to see him fade away again.

So why go through all that just to kill him off, just let ben kill him if you want him to be a force ghost. Again, why be so cryptic and/or flip floppy?
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They pretty much spelled it out. He was really just trying to create a diversion for the Rebels to escape.

You have to admit when he first showed up your initial thought was “how F did he get there?” Then the reveal that he was just a force projection was the “Ohhhh!” moment. Now he did touch Leia and make some solid dice which could be viewed as silly. But we are talking about the force. I think it is will within the suspension of disbelief to assume with a little extra effort he could make things feel solid for a moment.

I 100% expect Luke to haunt Kylo as a force ghost.

And I’ll say it again. Another light saber duel would have been redundant. Especially if he had gone out Obi-Wan style. I think they came up with a much more original way to do it.
 
#44
#44
vols50 said:
Did anyone else notice the little boy at the end uses the force to pick up the broom?
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Yes and I’m sure in the next on he will be able to force push and fly. Guess he is the last Jedi, no wait that’s Rey, no wait that’s luke who disappeared,....lame
 
#47
#47
I didn't have a problem with Snoke's death, I thought it was awesome. It'll be interesting to see how Kylo controls everything now that he doesn't have that beast controlling him.

Also, when Snoke said "Young fool" was that just an homage to Emperor Palpatine or are they hinting at the fact that Snoke actually was Palpatine? I wouldn't think so seeing as how he appeared to be a rather large individual and didn't really have any of his features.
 
#48
#48
Also, was I the only one who was hoping Finn would sacrifice himself at the end? I knew in the back of my mind that it wasn't going to happen but I let myself believe for a split second. It would've been epic and Finn isn't my favorite character ever (Not my least favorite either though).
 
#49
#49
Rockytoptalker said:
Also, was I the only one who was hoping Finn would sacrifice himself at the end? I knew in the back of my mind that it wasn't going to happen but I let myself believe for a split second. It would've been epic and Finn isn't my favorite character ever (Not my least favorite either though).
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At that point in the movie I was almost ready to believe anything could happen. I thought he was toast.
 
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