The Star Wars 8 SPOILER thread.

[BenGrimm]

and here everyone is nitpicking the film.

not coincidence.

Is that all Star Wars is? Build up to lightsaber duels?

I don’t think this was a perfect film by any means, I put squarely in the middle of the 9 movies, but I do appreciate it going in unexpected directions.

We will return to the safe formulaic crowd pleaser whenever Abrams comes back for E9.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Y’know... I don’t think two lightsabers clashed once in this movie. That is a first for a saga film.

Snoke's guards had sorta lightsabery weapons, like instead of blades they had lightsaber.....blades. But yeah, otherwise no clashes.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Watched Rogue 1 last night, again - for the 4th time. Just a completely different movie. Top to bottom, characters, story...it captures best of both old and new.

i think someone needs to come in and just do the GA Thrawn series. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel.

Finn is cool character; but, like with avengers movies theres just too much going on.

I thought he was set up well in TFA, but this one it felt like "Oh wait we need something for Finn to do" and they attached him to the new terrible character; he needs some redeeming in Episode 9.

Also for all the hype, Captain Phasma turned out to be pretty much an afterthougt. I know she might not be dead-dead but she was in it like 2 minutes.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Is that all Star Wars is? Build up to lightsaber duels?

I don’t think this was a perfect film by any means, I put squarely in the middle of the 9 movies, but I do appreciate it going in unexpected directions.

We will return to the safe formulaic crowd pleaser whenever Abrams comes back for E9.

At the same time, the risks taken in TLJ seem so arbitrary and didn't really serve the story at all. It felt like it was done just for the sake of it. None of them paid off IMO.

Luke's entire character was altered in TLJ, after seeing him as the brave and gallant hero in 3 previous films. I didn't appreciate what Ryan Johnson did with him at all.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

At the same time, the risks taken in TLJ seem so arbitrary and didn't really serve the story at all. It felt like it was done just for the sake of it. None of them paid off IMO.

Luke's entire character was altered in TLJ, after seeing him as the brave and gallant hero in 3 previous films. I didn't appreciate what Ryan Johnson did with him at all.

I don't really have a problem with the Force powers expansion. My knee jerk reaction wasn't good but as I watched the other movies and thought it and heard other opinions, now I don't mind.

I still think the way the force is shown is very inconsistent but that's kind of a trope about all movies with people with superpowers. Plus the movies themselves have shown level of force power vary and even they learn new abilities. I mean Yoda is old as dirt and it wasn't until the events of the prequel did he figure out how to communicate with dead Jedi through the Force ghost. And you have to expand things, otherwise you're just treading the same ground.

Now you can argue whether the Force expansions are good or not, and I certainly get criticisms about them.

 

[BenGrimm]

At the same time, the risks taken in TLJ seem so arbitrary and didn't really serve the story at all. It felt like it was done just for the sake of it. None of them paid off IMO.

Luke's entire character was altered in TLJ, after seeing him as the brave and gallant hero in 3 previous films. I didn't appreciate what Ryan Johnson did with him at all.

I don’t think he was completely altered. He was aged and had more experiences of victory, hubris, and ultimate failure over the 30 years since we last saw him. I find the nuances of his relationship with Ben much more fascinating than Ben simply went dark. It adds more layers to both Luke and Kylo’s characters.

The easy story was Luke just being a badass. The harder story was the fallen hero. Why he failed and how he handled failure and what can he do to move the needle back in the right direction.

There is an overarching theme in this movie of failure and learning from those mistakes.

 

[BenGrimm]

I thought he was set up well in TFA, but this one it felt like "Oh wait we need something for Finn to do" and they attached him to the new terrible character; he needs some redeeming in Episode 9.

Also for all the hype, Captain Phasma turned out to be pretty much an afterthougt. I know she might not be dead-dead but she was in it like 2 minutes.

I agree Finn’s story felt very tacked on for the most part. The fact that it completely failed made the whole sequence completely useless.

Although it does connect to that theme of failure I mentioned in the post abpvs.

 

[TheDeeble]

I thought I was going to be the weirdo having some complaints about the movie.

It's entertaining as a movie, but pretty disappointing as a fan. Rey and Ren, two incredibly powerful force wielders, can't fight off a group of guards. I get Rey is raw and mostly untrained, but we've already seen Ren stop blaster fire in mid air. He could have just force pushed them, like he did Hux.

The comedy was too much. A couple jokes here and there to lighten the mood occasionally, but Luke brushing his shirt off was just f*****g stupid. Droids are for comedy. Not main characters.

Rose is dumb. Stupid character. Haven't thought it all the way through, but half the movie does nothing except get most of the rebel alliance killed? That was the only thing that came out of looking for a code hacker to disable the FO's light speed tracker wasn't it? Half the movie plot was pointless.

And if Holdo knows she's going to die in the ship while everyone escapes, why wouldn't she just turn it on them at the very beginning instead of waiting till the FO starts taking out the transport ships?

I could go on more, but I'll just be repeating what others have said.

Rogue One was much better.

 

[Rockytoptalker]

I thought I was going to be the weirdo having some complaints about the movie.

It's entertaining as a movie, but pretty disappointing as a fan. Rey and Ren, two incredibly powerful force wielders, can't fight off a group of guards. I get Rey is raw and mostly untrained, but we've already seen Ren stop blaster fire in mid air. He could have just force pushed them, like he did Hux.

We have no background info on the Guards. They could've been force users themselves for all any of us know, they're obviously highly trained and they're the personal protectors of the most powerful guy in the galaxy for a reason I would imagine.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

I thought I was going to be the weirdo having some complaints about the movie.

It's entertaining as a movie, but pretty disappointing as a fan. Rey and Ren, two incredibly powerful force wielders, can't fight off a group of guards. I get Rey is raw and mostly untrained, but we've already seen Ren stop blaster fire in mid air. He could have just force pushed them, like he did Hux.

The comedy was too much. A couple jokes here and there to lighten the mood occasionally, but Luke brushing his shirt off was just f*****g stupid. Droids are for comedy. Not main characters.

Rose is dumb. Stupid character. Haven't thought it all the way through, but half the movie does nothing except get most of the rebel alliance killed? That was the only thing that came out of looking for a code hacker to disable the FO's light speed tracker wasn't it? Half the movie plot was pointless.

And if Holdo knows she's going to die in the ship while everyone escapes, why wouldn't she just turn it on them at the very beginning instead of waiting till the FO starts taking out the transport ships?

I could go on more, but I'll just be repeating what others have said.

Rogue One was much better.

Agree with all of this. Plus, that whole casino scene was terrible! For one thing, they made it way too similar to our world. Everything from the craps tables to the old ladies at the "slot machines." It was SO unimaginative! Plus that whole sequence just felt eerily too similar to the prequels in look and tone. I HATED that scene completely! And the boy at the end, picking up the broom with the force, looked like friggin Target commercial!

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

Snoke's guards had sorta lightsabery weapons, like instead of blades they had lightsaber.....blades. But yeah, otherwise no clashes.

Most likely some type of vibroblade with cortosis-weave. They were swords used by Sith who liked the visceral feel of metal slicing through flesh as opposed to lightsabers. They also had a slight advantage in that a lightsaber, after repeated contact to a vibroblade, would deactivate. Cortosis-weave could also be used on armor as well.

Not sure how much of that is considered canon though.

 

[MrAtkins]

I found nothing redeeming about this movie other than the visual artists who worked on the film. Apparently the director also wrote the script, but the writing and decision making seems like a committee effort and the end result is just a hot mess.

What gives with all the cornball humor and ineffective timing? Sure, all the movies have had jokes at times, but this movie went out of its way to make everyone a bad comic. Sorry, but Star Wars is a about good/evil, a fight for survival, insurmountable odds, not giving up, etc. it's not about how can we inject as many lurching bad jokes as possible into every scene. I didn't go to watch TLJ thinking I was going to see a crap comedy set in space, give me break.

Can we have some science in our science fiction please!? Is that so hard? Bombs float in space, not fall. Put some cool mini propulsion systems on them, is that so hard? And what is with the lobbing of laser shots at the rebel ships, are you serious? When holes get punched in ships there is a thing called a vacuum...

This "chase" was excruciating to sit through. Oh wow, you can track a ship through hyperspace but you can't squeeze a bit more juice out of the engines, out maneuver, recruit another vessel, etc? Really? And what did the first order say, that the rebel ships were lighter?! You are in space! I am sorry, the Rebels have a fuel problem? They don't have fission? Still running on petrol? This whole sequence was stupid and lasted forever. The FO looked stupid and so did the rebels.

Oh, and Poe just takes out all the laser cannons to start the movie, sure. Remind me how in the world the FO has pushed the rebels to the brink if their fleet is so inept? Maybe it is because they can't bend the rules of gravity.

Rey accomplished nothing on the island. She went there essentially to talk to Ren. Luke finally gives her one lesson eventually. Then she decides to run off and confront everyone. Whatever, she is totally untrained and raw, but sure, she can best Ren, Luke and the Guard. Right. She's a character more like a Disney princess, not a Jedi warrior. And her dark side experience was boring, there was nothing menacing at all. Her saber swinging on top of the mountain reminded me of the kid in his garage. Like her swinging against air all day was going to hone her skills.

Snoke. WTH? Why even put him in the damn movies at all? He literally has no reason to be in the movies. Ren could have been showed rising to power and finding his own way to becoming a sith lord without a master. His knights (where are they?!) would have helped him rise up and take over the first order. That would have been vastly different and much more effective than this bait and switch bs. His death is just lazy writing, sorry. All the movie is basically lazy creativity. If that was the intent a different storyline was needed.

Geez, what else? Flying Leia. That was a perfect time to take her out. Most her lines were so mush mouthed in the film it was hard to watch. Laura Dern just shows up as next in command? Ok? Where have you been and why don't you have a suit like everyone else? Oh and your plan sucks.

Poe is a douche. He is developed to be nothing more. Why are they not developing the characters? And then you have all the older wiser women leaders going tsk tsk every time he tries to do something, but he is indeed acting stupid. Ugh, just so bad all around. Then at the end, he's like geez guys I think Luke is trying to buy us some time! Ya think?

Rose is damn annoying. Actually everything to do with her, Finn and their pitiful plot arc should have been removed from the movie to trim time. It is only there in my opinion to give Finn something to do in the movie. That and inform us idiot movie goers how animals are harmed, rich people are bad, poor people are forgotten, both warring sides are equally guilty, etc. etc. Excuse me for existing Disney, let me go off myself now, and as a side benefit I won't have to see the rest of this movie. And then Rose prevents Finn from blowing up the battering ram at the end. I hated that. Finn should have been like, Girl you are an idiot! Now everyone is going to die! She's a damn plumber, what's she even doing flying one of those pods?grrr, she prevented Finn from actually serving a purpose. You could have removed their whole arc and 0 impact on film outcome! So why was it there?

I have so much more to cover, but I'm tiring out. Let's end with Luke. I notice one apologist poster keeps saying he likes the broken hero. Yeah, that's fine. However, the feeling is one of a disrespected and crapped on broken hero by the creatives in this movie. I'm fine with the grumpiness, unwillingness to train, etc. However, Luke was the only hope Star Wars had in the originals. He found something still alive in Vader for crying out loud. He couldn't kill Ren. You are telling me as much of a hermit he may be, he will not be more involved in helping his own sister and her forces escape or battle Ren? You are just going to leave the greatest hero of Star Wars on an island the whole time, have him fake fight Ren, and then just force suicide himself before his time? Whatever. The way Luke's character was treated made absolutely no sense and was disrespectful. Hamill is on the record saying as much himself.

I can't comprehend what those that like the movie actually like? Do you just get off on being trolled by the director and Disney? You like the efforts to just do away with the old characters as much as possible while inviting in non developing new characters? Seeing the conservative place setting put in place by TFA, only to see TLJ serve you slop instead of steak? I really, really, don't get it. I am done with this Star Wars arc. Maybe the offshoots will hold some hope like Rogue One.

 

[BigOrange15]

I found nothing redeeming about this movie other than the visual artists who worked on the film. Apparently the director also wrote the script, but the writing and decision making seems like a committee effort and the end result is just a hot mess.

What gives with all the cornball humor and ineffective timing? Sure, all the movies have had jokes at times, but this movie went out of its way to make everyone a bad comic. Sorry, but Star Wars is a about good/evil, a fight for survival, insurmountable odds, not giving up, etc. it's not about how can we inject as many lurching bad jokes as possible into every scene. I didn't go to watch TLJ thinking I was going to see a crap comedy set in space, give me break.

Can we have some science in our science fiction please!? Is that so hard? Bombs float in space, not fall. Put some cool mini propulsion systems on them, is that so hard? And what is with the lobbing of laser shots at the rebel ships, are you serious? When holes get punched in ships there is a thing called a vacuum...

This "chase" was excruciating to sit through. Oh wow, you can track a ship through hyperspace but you can't squeeze a bit more juice out of the engines, out maneuver, recruit another vessel, etc? Really? And what did the first order say, that the rebel ships were lighter?! You are in space! I am sorry, the Rebels have a fuel problem? They don't have fission? Still running on petrol? This whole sequence was stupid and lasted forever. The FO looked stupid and so did the rebels.

Oh, and Poe just takes out all the laser cannons to start the movie, sure. Remind me how in the world the FO has pushed the rebels to the brink if their fleet is so inept? Maybe it is because they can't bend the rules of gravity.

Rey accomplished nothing on the island. She went there essentially to talk to Ren. Luke finally gives her one lesson eventually. Then she decides to run off and confront everyone. Whatever, she is totally untrained and raw, but sure, she can best Ren, Luke and the Guard. Right. She's a character more like a Disney princess, not a Jedi warrior. And her dark side experience was boring, there was nothing menacing at all. Her saber swinging on top of the mountain reminded me of the kid in his garage. Like her swinging against air all day was going to hone her skills.

Snoke. WTH? Why even put him in the damn movies at all? He literally has no reason to be in the movies. Ren could have been showed rising to power and finding his own way to becoming a sith lord without a master. His knights (where are they?!) would have helped him rise up and take over the first order. That would have been vastly different and much more effective than this bait and switch bs. His death is just lazy writing, sorry. All the movie is basically lazy creativity. If that was the intent a different storyline was needed.

Geez, what else? Flying Leia. That was a perfect time to take her out. Most her lines were so mush mouthed in the film it was hard to watch. Laura Dern just shows up as next in command? Ok? Where have you been and why don't you have a suit like everyone else? Oh and your plan sucks.

Poe is a douche. He is developed to be nothing more. Why are they not developing the characters? And then you have all the older wiser women leaders going tsk tsk every time he tries to do something, but he is indeed acting stupid. Ugh, just so bad all around. Then at the end, he's like geez guys I think Luke is trying to buy us some time! Ya think?

Rose is damn annoying. Actually everything to do with her, Finn and their pitiful plot arc should have been removed from the movie to trim time. It is only there in my opinion to give Finn something to do in the movie. That and inform us idiot movie goers how animals are harmed, rich people are bad, poor people are forgotten, both warring sides are equally guilty, etc. etc. Excuse me for existing Disney, let me go off myself now, and as a side benefit I won't have to see the rest of this movie. And then Rose prevents Finn from blowing up the battering ram at the end. I hated that. Finn should have been like, Girl you are an idiot! Now everyone is going to die! She's a damn plumber, what's she even doing flying one of those pods?grrr, she prevented Finn from actually serving a purpose. You could have removed their whole arc and 0 impact on film outcome! So why was it there?

I have so much more to cover, but I'm tiring out. Let's end with Luke. I notice one apologist poster keeps saying he likes the broken hero. Yeah, that's fine. However, the feeling is one of a disrespected and crapped on broken hero by the creatives in this movie. I'm fine with the grumpiness, unwillingness to train, etc. However, Luke was the only hope Star Wars had in the originals. He found something still alive in Vader for crying out loud. He couldn't kill Ren. You are telling me as much of a hermit he may be, he will not be more involved in helping his own sister and her forces escape or battle Ren? You are just going to leave the greatest hero of Star Wars on an island the whole time, have him fake fight Ren, and then just force suicide himself before his time? Whatever. The way Luke's character was treated made absolutely no sense and was disrespectful. Hamill is on the record saying as much himself.

I can't comprehend what those that like the movie actually like? Do you just get off on being trolled by the director and Disney? You like the efforts to just do away with the old characters as much as possible while inviting in non developing new characters? Seeing the conservative place setting put in place by TFA, only to see TLJ serve you slop instead of steak? I really, really, don't get it. I am done with this Star Wars arc. Maybe the offshoots will hold some hope like Rogue One.

Bye.

 

[BenGrimm]

Let’s clear something up... Mark Hamill has been all over the map on what he thinks Luke’s Story should have been and this dates all the way back to ROTJ when he tried to convince Lucas that Luke should go to the Dark Side.

Most recently he has said of The Last Jedi that “...(it) made sense in this chapter.”

He has also said “It’s just a movie and if you go in trying to recapture your childhood you will always be disappointed.”

 

[bigdaddy]

I found nothing redeeming about this movie other than the visual artists who worked on the film. Apparently the director also wrote the script, but the writing and decision making seems like a committee effort and the end result is just a hot mess.

What gives with all the cornball humor and ineffective timing? Sure, all the movies have had jokes at times, but this movie went out of its way to make everyone a bad comic. Sorry, but Star Wars is a about good/evil, a fight for survival, insurmountable odds, not giving up, etc. it's not about how can we inject as many lurching bad jokes as possible into every scene. I didn't go to watch TLJ thinking I was going to see a crap comedy set in space, give me break.

Can we have some science in our science fiction please!? Is that so hard? Bombs float in space, not fall. Put some cool mini propulsion systems on them, is that so hard? And what is with the lobbing of laser shots at the rebel ships, are you serious? When holes get punched in ships there is a thing called a vacuum...

This "chase" was excruciating to sit through. Oh wow, you can track a ship through hyperspace but you can't squeeze a bit more juice out of the engines, out maneuver, recruit another vessel, etc? Really? And what did the first order say, that the rebel ships were lighter?! You are in space! I am sorry, the Rebels have a fuel problem? They don't have fission? Still running on petrol? This whole sequence was stupid and lasted forever. The FO looked stupid and so did the rebels.

Oh, and Poe just takes out all the laser cannons to start the movie, sure. Remind me how in the world the FO has pushed the rebels to the brink if their fleet is so inept? Maybe it is because they can't bend the rules of gravity.

Rey accomplished nothing on the island. She went there essentially to talk to Ren. Luke finally gives her one lesson eventually. Then she decides to run off and confront everyone. Whatever, she is totally untrained and raw, but sure, she can best Ren, Luke and the Guard. Right. She's a character more like a Disney princess, not a Jedi warrior. And her dark side experience was boring, there was nothing menacing at all. Her saber swinging on top of the mountain reminded me of the kid in his garage. Like her swinging against air all day was going to hone her skills.

Snoke. WTH? Why even put him in the damn movies at all? He literally has no reason to be in the movies. Ren could have been showed rising to power and finding his own way to becoming a sith lord without a master. His knights (where are they?!) would have helped him rise up and take over the first order. That would have been vastly different and much more effective than this bait and switch bs. His death is just lazy writing, sorry. All the movie is basically lazy creativity. If that was the intent a different storyline was needed.

Geez, what else? Flying Leia. That was a perfect time to take her out. Most her lines were so mush mouthed in the film it was hard to watch. Laura Dern just shows up as next in command? Ok? Where have you been and why don't you have a suit like everyone else? Oh and your plan sucks.

Poe is a douche. He is developed to be nothing more. Why are they not developing the characters? And then you have all the older wiser women leaders going tsk tsk every time he tries to do something, but he is indeed acting stupid. Ugh, just so bad all around. Then at the end, he's like geez guys I think Luke is trying to buy us some time! Ya think?

Rose is damn annoying. Actually everything to do with her, Finn and their pitiful plot arc should have been removed from the movie to trim time. It is only there in my opinion to give Finn something to do in the movie. That and inform us idiot movie goers how animals are harmed, rich people are bad, poor people are forgotten, both warring sides are equally guilty, etc. etc. Excuse me for existing Disney, let me go off myself now, and as a side benefit I won't have to see the rest of this movie. And then Rose prevents Finn from blowing up the battering ram at the end. I hated that. Finn should have been like, Girl you are an idiot! Now everyone is going to die! She's a damn plumber, what's she even doing flying one of those pods?grrr, she prevented Finn from actually serving a purpose. You could have removed their whole arc and 0 impact on film outcome! So why was it there?

I have so much more to cover, but I'm tiring out. Let's end with Luke. I notice one apologist poster keeps saying he likes the broken hero. Yeah, that's fine. However, the feeling is one of a disrespected and crapped on broken hero by the creatives in this movie. I'm fine with the grumpiness, unwillingness to train, etc. However, Luke was the only hope Star Wars had in the originals. He found something still alive in Vader for crying out loud. He couldn't kill Ren. You are telling me as much of a hermit he may be, he will not be more involved in helping his own sister and her forces escape or battle Ren? You are just going to leave the greatest hero of Star Wars on an island the whole time, have him fake fight Ren, and then just force suicide himself before his time? Whatever. The way Luke's character was treated made absolutely no sense and was disrespectful. Hamill is on the record saying as much himself.

I can't comprehend what those that like the movie actually like? Do you just get off on being trolled by the director and Disney? You like the efforts to just do away with the old characters as much as possible while inviting in non developing new characters? Seeing the conservative place setting put in place by TFA, only to see TLJ serve you slop instead of steak? I really, really, don't get it. I am done with this Star Wars arc. Maybe the offshoots will hold some hope like Rogue One.

This Is the best write up of exactly what is wrong with this film. Thank you. This film is really hot garbage

 

[Panthro]

It's time to give The Fonz a break, and change the phrase from "Jumped the Shark" to "Floated through Space."

 

[Brave Volunteer]

It's time to give The Fonz a break, and change the phrase from "Jumped the Shark" to "Floated through Space."

That's only when speaking of TV Shows. In the movie industry it is now affectionately called "Nuked the fridge."

 

[Godfatha]

I found nothing redeeming about this movie other than the visual artists who worked on the film. Apparently the director also wrote the script, but the writing and decision making seems like a committee effort and the end result is just a hot mess.

What gives with all the cornball humor and ineffective timing? Sure, all the movies have had jokes at times, but this movie went out of its way to make everyone a bad comic. Sorry, but Star Wars is a about good/evil, a fight for survival, insurmountable odds, not giving up, etc. it's not about how can we inject as many lurching bad jokes as possible into every scene. I didn't go to watch TLJ thinking I was going to see a crap comedy set in space, give me break.

Can we have some science in our science fiction please!? Is that so hard? Bombs float in space, not fall. Put some cool mini propulsion systems on them, is that so hard? And what is with the lobbing of laser shots at the rebel ships, are you serious? When holes get punched in ships there is a thing called a vacuum...

This "chase" was excruciating to sit through. Oh wow, you can track a ship through hyperspace but you can't squeeze a bit more juice out of the engines, out maneuver, recruit another vessel, etc? Really? And what did the first order say, that the rebel ships were lighter?! You are in space! I am sorry, the Rebels have a fuel problem? They don't have fission? Still running on petrol? This whole sequence was stupid and lasted forever. The FO looked stupid and so did the rebels.

Oh, and Poe just takes out all the laser cannons to start the movie, sure. Remind me how in the world the FO has pushed the rebels to the brink if their fleet is so inept? Maybe it is because they can't bend the rules of gravity.

Rey accomplished nothing on the island. She went there essentially to talk to Ren. Luke finally gives her one lesson eventually. Then she decides to run off and confront everyone. Whatever, she is totally untrained and raw, but sure, she can best Ren, Luke and the Guard. Right. She's a character more like a Disney princess, not a Jedi warrior. And her dark side experience was boring, there was nothing menacing at all. Her saber swinging on top of the mountain reminded me of the kid in his garage. Like her swinging against air all day was going to hone her skills.

Snoke. WTH? Why even put him in the damn movies at all? He literally has no reason to be in the movies. Ren could have been showed rising to power and finding his own way to becoming a sith lord without a master. His knights (where are they?!) would have helped him rise up and take over the first order. That would have been vastly different and much more effective than this bait and switch bs. His death is just lazy writing, sorry. All the movie is basically lazy creativity. If that was the intent a different storyline was needed.

Geez, what else? Flying Leia. That was a perfect time to take her out. Most her lines were so mush mouthed in the film it was hard to watch. Laura Dern just shows up as next in command? Ok? Where have you been and why don't you have a suit like everyone else? Oh and your plan sucks.

Poe is a douche. He is developed to be nothing more. Why are they not developing the characters? And then you have all the older wiser women leaders going tsk tsk every time he tries to do something, but he is indeed acting stupid. Ugh, just so bad all around. Then at the end, he's like geez guys I think Luke is trying to buy us some time! Ya think?

Rose is damn annoying. Actually everything to do with her, Finn and their pitiful plot arc should have been removed from the movie to trim time. It is only there in my opinion to give Finn something to do in the movie. That and inform us idiot movie goers how animals are harmed, rich people are bad, poor people are forgotten, both warring sides are equally guilty, etc. etc. Excuse me for existing Disney, let me go off myself now, and as a side benefit I won't have to see the rest of this movie. And then Rose prevents Finn from blowing up the battering ram at the end. I hated that. Finn should have been like, Girl you are an idiot! Now everyone is going to die! She's a damn plumber, what's she even doing flying one of those pods?grrr, she prevented Finn from actually serving a purpose. You could have removed their whole arc and 0 impact on film outcome! So why was it there?

I have so much more to cover, but I'm tiring out. Let's end with Luke. I notice one apologist poster keeps saying he likes the broken hero. Yeah, that's fine. However, the feeling is one of a disrespected and crapped on broken hero by the creatives in this movie. I'm fine with the grumpiness, unwillingness to train, etc. However, Luke was the only hope Star Wars had in the originals. He found something still alive in Vader for crying out loud. He couldn't kill Ren. You are telling me as much of a hermit he may be, he will not be more involved in helping his own sister and her forces escape or battle Ren? You are just going to leave the greatest hero of Star Wars on an island the whole time, have him fake fight Ren, and then just force suicide himself before his time? Whatever. The way Luke's character was treated made absolutely no sense and was disrespectful. Hamill is on the record saying as much himself.

I can't comprehend what those that like the movie actually like? Do you just get off on being trolled by the director and Disney? You like the efforts to just do away with the old characters as much as possible while inviting in non developing new characters? Seeing the conservative place setting put in place by TFA, only to see TLJ serve you slop instead of steak? I really, really, don't get it. I am done with this Star Wars arc. Maybe the offshoots will hold some hope like Rogue One.

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

It's time to give The Fonz a break, and change the phrase from "Jumped the Shark" to "Floated through Space."

That's going to be a meme for sure.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

The casino scene was no worse and probably slightly better than the Hutt palace scene in RotJ. Stop hating it because it was different. TFA ‘we hate it because it’s a remake of ANH. TLJ ‘we hate it because it’s too different’. Make up your mind people. It really wasn’t that bad. Sure the Leia stuff was awful but other than that the movie was pretty good.

I challenge everyone to go watch it again. The cinematic build up to Snokes ship getting destroyed was amazing.

 

[SamRebel35]

The casino scene was no worse and probably slightly better than the Hutt palace scene in RotJ. Stop hating it because it was different. TFA ‘we hate it because it’s a remake of ANH. TLJ ‘we hate it because it’s too different’. Make up your mind people. It really wasn’t that bad. Sure the Leia stuff was awful but other than that the movie was pretty good.

I challenge everyone to go watch it again. The cinematic build up to Snokes ship getting destroyed was amazing.

My problem isn't with the casino as a setting. My problem is with the completely useless subplot that lead them to the casino in the first place. Without that scene, it is a much better movie, imo.

I didn't hate the movie. For me it is below the originals, TFA, and RO, but above all three prequels. Not bad, but certainly not the best. I can't relate to those who insist it has ruined the entire series. Also can't relate to those who claim it is the best one yet.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

My problem isn't with the casino as a setting. My problem is with the completely useless subplot that lead them to the casino in the first place. Without that scene, it is a much better movie, imo.

I didn't hate the movie. For me it is below the originals, TFA, and RO, but above all three prequels. Not bad, but certainly not the best. I can't relate to those who insist it has ruined the entire series. Also can't relate to those who claim it is the best one yet.

That’s about where I have it. Although I’d put it tied with TFA. I do agree the subplot feels tacked on. But it does help to develop Fin to some extent. He’s very self serving. And I think the line from Benicio del Toro will play a part in developing his character more. I think they’re going to have him to face his fears at some point and no one will be there to stop him from running.

 

[BenGrimm]

The casino scene was no worse and probably slightly better than the Hutt palace scene in RotJ. Stop hating it because it was different. TFA ‘we hate it because it’s a remake of ANH. TLJ ‘we hate it because it’s too different’. Make up your mind people. It really wasn’t that bad. Sure the Leia stuff was awful but other than that the movie was pretty good.

I challenge everyone to go watch it again. The cinematic build up to Snokes ship getting destroyed was amazing.

Whoa whoa whoa.... the opening of ROTJ is one of the best sequences of the original trilogy (Minus the added musical number from the Special Edition). That’s not a fair comparison at all.

However, the plot holes in that entire sequence are no worse than any of the holes people are complaining about in TLJ. Luke’s entire elaborate plan to get them all inside Jaba’s Palace is completely ridiculous if you give it any meaningful thought at all.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

Whoa whoa whoa.... the opening of ROTJ is one of the best sequences of the original trilogy (Minus the added musical number from the Special Edition). That’s not a fair comparison at all.

However, the plot holes in that entire sequence are no worse than any of the holes people are complaining about in TLJ. Luke’s entire elaborate plan to get them all inside Jaba’s Palace is completely ridiculous if you give it any meaningful thought at all.

That’s what I was referring too.

 

[BenGrimm]

That’s what I was referring too.

Welll in all fairness that part was not in the original release and was pretty much panned when added years later.