The Stark Truth

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hatvol96

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I metioned Jayson Stark's great new book on the main board. He lists the 5 most overrated and underrated players at each position. To start the thread off, here are his starting pitchers;

Overrated:

1. Nolan Ryan
2. Don Drysdale
3. Kerry Wood
4. Dizzy Dean
5. Kevin Brown

Underrated:

1. Bob Feller
2. Juan Marichal
3. Bert Blyleven
4. Charley "Old Hoss" Radbourn
5. John Smoltz
 
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I don't see how you can put Nolan Ryan with Kevin Brown and Kerry Wood.
 
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I don't think Kevin Brown was ever really overrated, he just got hurt and the Dodgers were stupid when they offered him that fat contract.
 
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JZVOL said:
I don't see how you can put Nolan Ryan with Kevin Brown and Kerry Wood.
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I do. He was essentially a .500 pitcher. His strikeouts and longevity mask the fact that his more important numbers weren't anything special.
 
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GAVol said:
I don't think Kevin Brown was ever really overrated, he just got hurt and the Dodgers were stupid when they offered him that fat contract.
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At his best, Kevin Brown was as good as anyone in his era.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I metioned Jayson Stark's great new book on the main board. He lists the 5 most overrated and underrated players at each position. To start the thread off, here are his starting pitchers;

Overrated:

1. Nolan Ryan
2. Don Drysdale
3. Kerry Wood
4. Dizzy Dean
5. Kevin Brown

Underrated:

1. Bob Feller
2. Juan Marichal
3. Bert Blyleven
4. Charley "Old Hoss" Radbourn
5. John Smoltz
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The major criticism of Nolan Ryan has always been he lost a lot of games. Not sure if that's more a reflection of playing on poor teams or giving up a lot of HR's.
 
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Wood had a good season or too and plenty of potential but idk about overrated. Overhyped for sure though.
 
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Relief Pitchers:

Overrated:
1. Lee Smith
2. Jeff Reardon
3. Dave Righetti
4. Bobby Thigpen
5. Armando Benitez

Underrated:
1.Goose Gossage
2. Trevor Hoffman
3. Hoyt Wilhelm
4. Billy Wagner
5. Dan Quisenberry
 
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hatvol96 said:
At his best, Kevin Brown was as good as anyone in his era.
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Exactly . . . which is why it's a little strange to see him on this list. When he was healthy he was as good as advertised. It's just that somebody misjudged when his decline would begin.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I do. He was essentially a .500 pitcher. His strikeouts and longevity mask the fact that his more important numbers weren't anything special.
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I think other people already mentioned it but he played on some pretty bad teams.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Stark goes to great pains to explain that being on the overrated list doesn't mean one isn't great. It simply means that perception doesn't match the reality of their career.
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Smart move by Stark to write this kind of book. I'm now thinking about picking it up.
 
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JZVOL said:
I think other people already mentioned it but he played on some pretty bad teams.
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I just looked him up on Wikipedia to look over his stats, and that was mentioned.

However, it was also mentioned that his winning percentage was only slightly better, .023%, than the teams for whom he pitched. His average season was only around 13-12.

Also pretty wild. He has the most walks and wild pitches of anyone... like his other numbers, also aided by his longevity.
 
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JZVOL said:
I think other people already mentioned it but he played on some pretty bad teams.
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California won its division in '79. Houston was in the playoffs three times while he was there. In fact, it was his inability to hold a lead in Game 5 of the 1980 NLCS that cost a trip to the World Series.
 
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Underrated: Phil Niekro - Winning 300 games playing predominantly with the Atlanta Braves of the 70s and 80s is an amazing feat.
 
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GAVol said:
Underrated: Phil Niekro - Winning 300 games playing predominantly with the Atlanta Braves of the 70s and 80s is an amazing feat.
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One of the stats I've always thought says a whole lot about a pitcher is his winning percentage compared to that of his team.
 
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DHs:

Overrated:
1. Ron Blomberg
2. Dave Parker
3. Reggie Jackson
4. Steve Balboni
5. Harmon Klllebrew

Underrated:
1. Edgar Martinez
2. Hal McRae
3. Travis Hafner
4. Chili Davis
5. Oscar Gamble
 
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