The Supreme Court of the United States Thread

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lawgator1 said:
I knew of his disclaimer. It is irrelevant. The Justice should not have allowed it to happen.

And in any event, this nonsense of "replying to a neighbor with an anti-Trump sign" in their yard proves only that the wife (if that's who did it) intentionally flew the flag upside down in solidarity with the insurrectionists.

Much like Ginny Thomas, these wives need to b realize that what they say and do has repercussions to the appearance of political influence on their husbands. The fact that this is happening at that level is absolutely inexcusable.

I am not naive, I know judges have political identities. The good ones work hard to set those aside. Even minimally competent ones know that they keep their views (and the views of those closest to them) in close quarters for the very reason that if something like this happens, it undermines the confidence people have that the judiciary is fair.

Mrs. Alito should, IN PERSON, issue a statement apologizing and expressing deep regret at her extremely poor judgment. The Justice should, in no uncertain terms, disavow not just her actions but also her thinking and idiocy in terms of judgment.
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Damn, misogynist much?
 
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85SugarVol said:
I think I get where you’re coming from.

The methodology is complicated. It sounds like it is a complex Monte Carlo simulation. I understand fundamentally what a Monte Carlo simulation does, but the more advanced application of it in the Martin-Quinn is a bit beyond my grade.

But methodology aside, do you agree with the outcomes? Are you buying that the Burger Court presents as one of the most Conservative? Are you buying that the Warren Court presents as one of the most Liberal?

And the “center line” does not change based on the Court’s composition - the “median Justice” does.

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Were Marshall, Stevens, & Ginsburg some of the most Liberal Justices to sit the Court?
Were Rehnquist, Scalia, & Thomas some of the most Conservative to sit the Court?
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I have no idea what a Monte Carlo simulation is but the fact that everybody but Alito seems to be moving liberal since Kennedy’s retirement seems like evidence that something in our current moment is thwarting the method.

Historically, the results look accurate, except I would have thought Brennan would be up there with the most liberal.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I have no idea what a Monte Carlo simulation is but the fact that everybody but Alito seems to be moving liberal since Kennedy’s retirement seems like evidence that something in our current moment is thwarting the method.

Historically, the results look accurate, except I would have thought Brennan would be up there with the most liberal.
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Brennan finished -3, further to the Liberal extreme than Stevens or Ginsburg.

Not sure we are seeing the others moving liberal. Gorsuch, Barrett, & Kavanaugh are all flat.

Thomas is moving back towards the center line, but it looks like he’s following the same bell shape observed in many other conservative justices before him (Burton, Harlan, Rehnquist, Scalia).

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There appears to be a definite “pull” to the liberal end for many of the Liberal Justices over time though (Marshall, Brennan, Stevens, Ginsburg, Sotomayor).

Alito may continue on his trajectory, or he may be on the front end of his bell curve.

Kagan is trending “pull”, but at a much shallower slope.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Brennan finished -3, further to the Liberal extreme than Stevens or Ginsburg.

Not sure we are seeing the others moving liberal. Gorsuch, Barrett, & Kavanaugh are all flat.

Thomas is moving back towards the center line, but it looks like he’s following the same bell shape observed in many other conservative justices before him (Burton, Harlan, Rehnquist, Scalia).

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There appears to be a definite “pull” to the liberal end for many of the Liberal Justices over time though (Marshall, Brennan, Stevens, Ginsburg, Sotomayor).

Alito may continue on his trajectory, or he may be on the front end of his bell curve.

Kagan is trending “pull”, but at a much shallower slope.
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Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Barrett all tail down at the end, although now I look at it again, Gorsuch does flare up.

But compare that to what everybody else thinks about the court. Litigants have flooded the court with abortion cases, gun cases, and religious Liberty cases. And they’ve been rewarded for it.

I understand that Ginsburg->Barrett moves the court as a whole very much to the right, but on the whole the court is using that conservative majority to make (legally) radical decisions in partisan cases like Dobbs, Bruen, Kennedy v. Bremerton Schools, ending affirmative action, that wedding website case last term, and so on and those decisions are getting six votes. When the institutionalists do write a concurrence that says “this isn’t as bold as it looks” or “here, but no further” (e.g. Kavanaugh in Dobbs) you get a concurrence from Thomas saying “actually, I’d have gone much further” (e.g. Dobbs, again). Also, Alito and Thomas are ride or die on like every major partisan decision I can remember in the last several terms. The difference in their trajectories is odd.

Some of the voting rights cases have been extremely aggressive (independent state legislature theory) and have turned out to be a bridge too far to get 5 votes, so maybe that explains it. Maybe it’s that the Republican Party has ceased to be conservative so partisan outcomes aren’t pushing justices up that chart.

But it seems like either I’m thinking of conservative/liberal differently than the chart, there is something about the last 10 years that is throwing it off, or the impression that the court is giving to myself (and more serious people who follow it) is inconsistent with the empirical evidence. Those all seem like plausible explanations.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Barrett all tail down at the end, although now I look at it again, Gorsuch does flare up.

But compare that to what everybody else thinks about the court. Litigants have flooded the court with abortion cases, gun cases, and religious Liberty cases. And they’ve been rewarded for it.

I understand that Ginsburg->Barrett moves the court as a whole very much to the right, but on the whole the court is using that conservative majority to make (legally) radical decisions in partisan cases like Dobbs, Bruen, Kennedy v. Bremerton Schools, ending affirmative action, that wedding website case last term, and so on and those decisions are getting six votes. When the institutionalists do write a concurrence that says “this isn’t as bold as it looks” or “here, but no further” (e.g. Kavanaugh in Dobbs) you get a concurrence from Thomas saying “actually, I’d have gone much further” (e.g. Dobbs, again). Also, Alito and Thomas are ride or die on like every major partisan decision I can remember in the last several terms. The difference in their trajectories is odd.

Some of the voting rights cases have been extremely aggressive (independent state legislature theory) and have turned out to be a bridge too far to get 5 votes, so maybe that explains it. Maybe it’s that the Republican Party has ceased to be conservative so partisan outcomes aren’t pushing justices up that chart.

But it seems like either I’m thinking of conservative/liberal differently than the chart, there is something about the last 10 years that is throwing it off, or the impression that the court is giving to myself (and more serious people who follow it) is inconsistent with the empirical evidence. Those all seem like plausible explanations.
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I see what you’re saying. Roberts, Barrett, Kavanaugh all trend almost identically over the last movement.

Every decision made is another data point input to the model.

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Something about their recent decisions influenced the model in a very similar way. Were they all in concurrence with one another? Idk but that might have yielded the resulting movement.

Also remember the model will not account for the “weight” or gravity of the cases being decided. The significance of the Warren Court’s decisions, or this current Court’s decisions, are not weighted in any way.

Nor will it distinguish between a decision of “Yes, but no further” and “Yes, and I’d have gone much further”.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Why does your side want to kill the unborn so badly?

What state do you live in Speedo?
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You got off track, Earl. My post was related to corrupt Supreme Court justices.

My side wants women to have the right to make their own health-care and reproductive decisions--not a bunch of mostly male yahoos
who want to control women.
 
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turbovol said:
You got off track, Earl. My post was related to corrupt Supreme Court justices.

My side wants women to have the right to make their own health-care and reproductive decisions--not a bunch of mostly male yahoos
who want to control women.
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Funny, you guys wanted to fire women who refused to take an experimental vaccine.
 
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turbovol said:
You got off track, Earl. My post was related to corrupt Supreme Court justices.

My side wants women to have the right to make their own health-care and reproductive decisions--not a bunch of mostly male yahoos
who want to control women.
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It’s a states rights issue Speedo. What state do you live in?
 
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turbovol said:
You got off track, Earl. My post was related to corrupt Supreme Court justices.

My side wants women to have the right to make their own health-care and reproductive decisions--not a bunch of mostly male yahoos
who want to control women.
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That is a very general argument. Be more specific.
 
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“I believe Supreme Court justices should refrain from making political statements — even oblique ones or even ones their wife or broker may have made on their property or in their brokerage accounts, respectively,” Roth said.

Roth noted that the beer companies in question have no pending business before the Supreme Court that he can think of.


Where are these azzhats when congress is making trades with business in front of them?
 
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turbovol said:
You got off track, Earl. My post was related to corrupt Supreme Court justices.

My side wants women to have the right to make their own health-care and reproductive decisions--not a bunch of mostly male yahoos
who want to control women.
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Cry harder for your ugly half wit lefty women. They usually don't know what they want.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not good.

www.nytimes.com

Another Provocative Flag Was Flown at Another Alito Home

The justice’s beach house displayed an “Appeal to Heaven” flag, a symbol carried on Jan. 6 and associated with a push for a more Christian-minded government.
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If leftists like yourself don't want to know what type of flag a supreme court justice flies at their personal residence, then they shouldn't show up at his house. I SERIOUSLY doubt that any of you were invited. He has the right to fly whatever flag he wants. As a supreme court justice, he is well aware of that fact too.
 
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turbovol said:
You got off track, Earl. My post was related to corrupt Supreme Court justices.

My side wants women to have the right to make their own health-care and reproductive decisions--not a bunch of mostly male yahoos
who want to control women.
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But the make doesn't have the control. They didn't decide who, what, when and where, all of that is dictated by women..... As it should be, anything otherwise is rape.

Now, should men equally be able to terminate their obligations as easily as a woman can? If we are to allow a woman to make the decision to terminate we should also give the male the right to refuse financial responsibility, there's certainly a case to be made for this, for the record I don't endorse men being able to do that but there is a philosophical debate to be had there.
 
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turbovol said:
You got off track, Earl. My post was related to corrupt Supreme Court justices.

My side wants women to have the right to make their own health-care and reproductive decisions--not a bunch of mostly male yahoos
who want to control women.
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Are you trying to imply you would be ok if it was women trying to limit individual freedom and choice?

That’s weird.
 
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