The Supreme Court of the United States Thread

[RockyTop85]

I would find it hard to believe that any court would classify the assassination of a political opponent an "official act".

Seems more like a core constitutional power, based on this case. Commander in Chief of the armed forces is an article 1 power that isn’t shared by congress. Can’t consider his motives. Probably enough there to stave off prison until Biden is in the dirt.

 

[LSU-SIU]

The way I see this ruling is that courts and possibly even congress are going to have to decide what constitutes and official act.

That's already in the Constitution, Article II.

As far as assassinating and murdering Americans, that isn't an official act of any part of government as that power was not conferred to the United States.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Think 12 Dems would vote to impeach him if he nuked mar-a-lago?*

* - assuming they didn’t **** it up and hit it while Trump was in Iowa or something.

Isn’t impeachment a political process tho? And as such, being a political process, it’s become largely worthless?

 

[lawgator1]

I get what you are saying. Very slippery slope my friend!

Look, if major editorial boards around the country are calling for him to step aside, if polls show that a majority of the country does not think he is up to the task, if high ranking Dems say its time, and if Dem voters are themselves clamoring for a change, its time for Biden to do the right thing, for the sake of offering up a candidate who give us the best chance to keep Trump out of office.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

LMAO .... these drunk smelly incompetent Democrats cry worse than an alley cat.

 

[GoodTimeVol]

All of these hypotheticals are completely ridiculous and goes against every fiber on the constitution, but let’s not the forget the reason we got to this point…you can’t blame a court for just ruling on what they believe is constitutional, but you can blame a certain party for setting a chain events in motion by weaponizing the DOJ against your political opponent.

 

[LSU-SIU]

LMAO .... these drunk smelly incompetent Democrats cry worse than an alley cat.

Yet, the Supreme Court didn't even say what she claims. Crazy times.

 

[LSU-SIU]

All of these hypotheticals are completely ridiculous and goes against every fiber on the constitution, but let’s not the forget the reason we got to this point…you can’t blame a court for just ruling on what they believe is constitutional, but you can blame a certain party for setting a chain events in motion by weaponizing the DOJ against your political opponent.

 

[NorthDallas40]

The way I see this ruling is that courts and possibly even congress are going to have to decide what constitutes and official act.

You know I typed out two answers and wound up deleting both. Each version saying one of those bodies carried more weight than the other. But when you include Chevron in the discussion too I’m not sure who has the most pull here. Congress absolutely could pass laws on what is or isn’t official I guess and would have to pass Constitutional muster challenges. And in the absence of that the Chevron interpretation says the courts have to make the ruling

 

[JOEY’S ALL VOL !!!]

Go ahead and define "official acts of the President" for me, Gramps.

Pretty sure a President can officially declare a person, place or thing an "enemy of the state".

Donald Trump incited an insurrection / riot intended to overturn / stop our government's election process.

As such, Joe Biden can now - legally - declare Donald Trump a domestic terrorist.

His next call would be to Seal Team 6.

Prove me wrong.

Gotta be trollin, post is so unbelievably ignorant that there is no other explanation.

 

[RockyTop85]

Isn’t impeachment a political process tho? And as such, being a political process, it’s become largely worthless?

Yeah, that was sort of a joke.

I think that’s my takeaway from the case, though: Congress being dysfunctional isn’t a reason to make the courts dole out punishments for official actions.

Dissent: but have you seen those guys lately?

 

[CobbVol]

They are meaningful. But the party choosing to set the result aside for good cause is hardly a coup.

What if information came to light that Trump in fact was on Putin's payroll? I mean, irrefutable evidence of it. Would the GOP be forced to nominate him at the upcoming convention? No, of course not.

If in this case the Dem party decides that Biden is not competent to be POTUS for the next four year,s that his decline is too imminent and substantial, they ought to be able to set aside the primary results, too.


Neither would be a good look. But as is, it seems to me that Biden has next to no chance to win and that it his own ego standing in the way. Reminds me a bit of RBG hanging on for too long. The old guard -- across the board (see e.g. McConnell) have to learn to step aside when the stepping is good.

If it is determined now that biden is not competent to be POTUS for the next 4 years, then he is not responsible to be POTUS this very day. Then, it is the responsibility of his cabinet members to invoke the 25th amendment.

 

[turbovol]

This is a shameful Supreme Court--full of politicized conservative hacks. In the past we had conservative justices who would take
centrist/moderate positions on some issues and progressive justices who would take more conservative positions on some rulings.
No more: this is a group of radical conservatives, and corrupt radical conservatives--none more so than the ultimate hack, Clarence
Thomas, followed by Alito and Gorsuch. Thomas and Alito both clearly had conflicts of interest with these Jan.6/insurrection cases and both
demonstrated partisanship. They should have recused--but defiantly didn't. It's pretty clear that Thomas, Alito and Gorsuch have major political axes to grind, and that probably applies to others of the conservatives, too.

The immunity ruling is very dangerous precisely because we had a deeply corrupt president like trump. He was rightly impeached twice. He tried to extort Zelensky to gin up fraudulent dirt on Biden. He is a man who stole national security documents. He's now a man who owes more than HALF a BILLION dollars in civil fines owing to his convictions for bank fraud and defamation. That makes him a MAJOR SECURITY RISK. You think Trump will want to pay those fines? He's a man who's been sued more than 200 times by average working people whom he stiffed for small amounts of money. He is a man whom I and many people believe would sell state secrets for money--particularly given his affection for America's chief enemy--the War Criminal in Moscow. He is a man who has no respect for the law--and apparently, shockingly, neither does our Supreme Court anymore.

As one analyst now pointed out, Biden could now gin up some reason to arrest and charge the conservative justices on the Supreme Court.
Official act!

--Jack Smith should continue to pursue his insurrection cases against Trump, and so should Georgia. The ruling--disgraceful as it is--sends the cases back to the lower court to distinguish between official acts and personal acts---and I would certainly assert that discussing with private individuals ways to overturn the election when it's clear that there is no evidence of vote fraud--so said judges and all the state election officials---and that makes those efforts private acts and not official acts. Jack Smith should continue to pursue.

 

[MontyPython]

Gotta be trollin, post is so unbelievably ignorant that there is no other explanation.

Mmmhmmm.

Then ditch the rhetoric and correct my post.

 

[hog88]

You know I typed out two answers and wound up deleting both. Each version saying one of those bodies carried more weight than the other. But when you include Chevron in the discussion too I’m not sure who has the most pull here. Congress absolutely could pass laws on what is or isn’t official I guess and would have to pass Constitutional muster challenges. And in the absence of that the Chevron interpretation says the courts have to make the ruling

Also it amuses me that people are acting like presidential immunity is something new, look at the crimes committed by Lincoln and FDR. Yes both died in office but there was no talk of prosecuting either of them.

 

[turbovol]

 

[NorthDallas40]

Yeah, that was sort of a joke.

I think that’s my takeaway from the case, though: Congress being dysfunctional isn’t a reason to make the courts dole out punishments for official actions.

Dissent: but have you seen those guys lately?

Could be a valid and effective defense of the judicial branch to criticism.

Yeah we’re not great maybe but hey at least we aren’t as moronic as the legislative branch.

HAHAHA…..

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Yet, the Supreme Court didn't even say what she claims. Crazy times.

That's why Pelosi is a stumble drunk & incompetent.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Also it amuses me that people are acting like presidential immunity is something new, look at the crimes committed by Lincoln and FDR. Yes both died in office but there was no talk of prosecuting either of them.

All of this today reminds me of Bill Barr’s statements on just how much power is actually invested in the chief executive office

 

[lawgator1]

If it is determined now that biden is not competent to be POTUS for the next 4 years, then he is not responsible to be POTUS this very day. Then, it is the responsibility of his cabinet members to invoke the 25th amendment.

That makes no sense.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

That makes no sense.

If this was Trump's problem you'd be starting new threads daily about it.

 

[GoodTimeVol]

If it is determined now that biden is not competent to be POTUS for the next 4 years, then he is not responsible to be POTUS this very day. Then, it is the responsibility of his cabinet members to invoke the 25th amendment.

They won’t do it because they don’t want Kamala on the ticket for president

 

[RockyTop85]

Could be a valid and effective defense of the judicial branch to criticism.

Yeah we’re not great maybe but hey shd least we aren’t as moronic as the legislative branch.

HAHAHA…..

I think that’s the whole reaction to this term in a nutshell.

Court: “Congress has to do this.”
Dissent and media/people who approve of how executive power is being used by this administration: “Oh my god, they just irreparably broke the government!!!”
People who want less government: Yes! They just irreparably broke the government!”
People want big government run by Trump: Yes! The libs are mad!

Nobody even considers that congress will start doing its job. I can’t blame them but I’m glad I’m not a congressman right now.

 

[CobbVol]

That makes no sense.

So his competency is good from now till November, but after November that is not the case ... okee doke.

 

[CobbVol]

They won’t do it because they don’t want Kamala on the ticket for president

You get the bingo prize. That locks them which they do not want.