The Thing Everyone Celebrating SC's Probation Is Missing...

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hatvol96

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is that Kiffin is now in a no lose situation. If he doesn't do well, he can blame the sanctions. On the other hand, if he wins in spite of the limitations he becomes the new Butch Davis. Either way, he comes out of this alright.
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And he'll be proclaimed great if he does make it out of this. He's going to have a hell of a hand to play to recruits if he makes it through this and succeeds.
 
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milohimself said:
Any truth to the idea floating around that he can use this to get more time on his contract?
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SC doesn't have to make coaches' contracts public. However, there's certainly ample precedent for a coach going to a program under investigation having such a clause or renegotiating after harsher than expected sanctions. Sylvester Croom and Tom Crean are examples.
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hat you do not understand this situation at all.

Kiffin is a slimeball who surrounds himself with mercenaries. Now guys like Ambles have two years with no bowl game. Guys Kiffin promised a Heisman to are going to toil on a team that will have massive defections. Ed Orgeron cannot yar yar to a new job anytime soon and Monte Kiffin will not be able to deliver his son a National Championship before he has to start wearing an "I've fallen and I cant get up" bracelet.

If Kiffin succeeds? How? Who cares about wins in a probation season?! Ask your friend O'Neill how fired up the Trojans were about fighting through the Pac 10 season knowing they cannot make the NCAA tournament.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
hat you do not understand this situation at all.

Kiffin is a slimeball who surrounds himself with mercenaries. Now guys like Ambles have two years with no bowl game. Guys Kiffin promised a Heisman to are going to toil on a team that will have massive defections. Ed Orgeron cannot yar yar to a new job anytime soon and Monte Kiffin will not be able to deliver his son a National Championship before he has to start wearing an "I've fallen and I cant get up" bracelet.

If Kiffin succeeds? How? Who cares about wins in a probation season?! Ask your friend O'Neill how fired up the Trojans were about fighting through the Pac 10 season knowing they cannot make the NCAA tournament.
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Classy.
 
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Hat, it doesn't matter. He can go ahead and blame the sanctions which is fine. But everyone is going to think he is an absolute idiot for walking into a ticking time bomb if he fails.
 
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hatvol96 said:
is that Kiffin is now in a no lose situation. If he doesn't do well, he can blame the sanctions. On the other hand, if he wins in spite of the limitations he becomes the new Butch Davis. Either way, he comes out of this alright.
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The harsher the better in that regard. The problem will be rebuilding. If he thought the UT compliance office was stringent what will the USC compliance office look like once the penalties are over?
 
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so NCAA sanctions are a conenient excuse, but I wouldn't call it a no-lose situation. Not sure even Kiffin believes that! You think Monte will stick around for 3 more years??? Orgeron might not even be there.
 
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I think these sanctions along with the new super conference have the makings to handcuff Kiffin's potential future success. They will always be able to recruit.

But now they have to play a conference championship game. With that many power teams in one conference ...championships will be that much harder to come by for him.
 
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Lexvol said:
If he thought the UT compliance office was stringent what will the USC compliance office look like once the penalties are over?
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Hard to say, since nobody that's empoyed there in that capacity is likely to have a job going forward.
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hatvol96 said:
is that Kiffin is now in a no lose situation. If he doesn't do well, he can blame the sanctions. On the other hand, if he wins in spite of the limitations he becomes the new Butch Davis. Either way, he comes out of this alright.
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Not after the recruiting class he just had there...If he can't win with those guys and the ones he inherited then he needs to find another profession.
 
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What you posted is originally true Hat. I agree but I gotta tell you, I have a big case of schadenfreude going on right now.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
hat you do not understand this situation at all.

Kiffin is a slimeball who surrounds himself with mercenaries. Now guys like Ambles have two years with no bowl game. Guys Kiffin promised a Heisman to are going to toil on a team that will have massive defections. Ed Orgeron cannot yar yar to a new job anytime soon and Monte Kiffin will not be able to deliver his son a National Championship before he has to start wearing an "I've fallen and I cant get up" bracelet.

If Kiffin succeeds? How? Who cares about wins in a probation season?! Ask your friend O'Neill how fired up the Trojans were about fighting through the Pac 10 season knowing they cannot make the NCAA tournament.
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:thumbsup:
 
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hatvol96 said:
is that Kiffin is now in a no lose situation. If he doesn't do well, he can blame the sanctions. On the other hand, if he wins in spite of the limitations he becomes the new Butch Davis. Either way, he comes out of this alright.
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I agree except I think he has to show some level of success right away. I think he'll win . . . but you can't lose sight of the fact that this is a guy who has never coached a team to more than 7 wins. At some point he's got to validate himself/
 
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hatvol96 said:
is that Kiffin is now in a no lose situation. If he doesn't do well, he can blame the sanctions. On the other hand, if he wins in spite of the limitations he becomes the new Butch Davis. Either way, he comes out of this alright.
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Who gives a damn what he blames. If he fails, then it aint gonna matter.
 
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ptclaus98 said:
Who gives a damn what he blames. If he fails, then it aint gonna matter.
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Agreed. Who gives a damn either way. That's SC's problem. If he fails, the ravenous UT fans are satisfied, yet if he succeeds, Mike Hamilton and UT appear vendicated for making the hire to begin and are only guilty of negotiating a crap buyout clause. In both cases UT still has 12 games a year to play that have nothing to do with Lane Kiffin and SC.
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hatvol96 said:
is that Kiffin is now in a no lose situation. If he doesn't do well, he can blame the sanctions. On the other hand, if he wins in spite of the limitations he becomes the new Butch Davis. Either way, he comes out of this alright.
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Historically I have no idea of how these things play out. How have these situations in the past affected recruiting? Obviously, that is huge for Kiffin and Co...
 
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Also, what are the chances Kiffin knew something like this was coming before he accepted the job? Surely this didn't come as a surprise...
 
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