The Thing Everyone Celebrating SC's Probation Is Missing...

#78
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hatvol96 said:
is that Kiffin is now in a no lose situation. If he doesn't do well, he can blame the sanctions. On the other hand, if he wins in spite of the limitations he becomes the new Butch Davis. Either way, he comes out of this alright.
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More like an excuse and a no lose situation for the Kiffin slurpers on here, rather than Kiffin himself.

If Kiffin is even a half assed coach he should survive this without much problem unless he has an abundance of upper classmen defect, which I doubt. USC is deep on the roster everywhere with quality players at present, way ahead of the rest of the Pac 10, and they will be able to still get their fair share in the future.

The scholly limits will hurt some no doubt, but if Kiffin is half the recruiter and coach some on this board have claimed then he will win and win consistantly.
 
#79
#79
no way sc is currently way ahead of the rest of the pac-10. sc players mailed it in last season when the pac-10 title wasn't in sight, what are they going to do if they can't win it at all? my bet is 7-5
 
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JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! said:
More like an excuse and a no lose situation for the Kiffin slurpers on here, rather than Kiffin himself.

If Kiffin is even a half assed coach he should survive this without much problem unless he has an abundance of upper classmen defect, which I doubt. USC is deep on the roster everywhere with quality players at present, way ahead of the rest of the Pac 10, and they will be able to still get their fair share in the future.

The scholly limits will hurt some no doubt, but if Kiffin is half the recruiter and coach some on this board have claimed then he will win and win consistantly.
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I'm expecting him to go undefeated in the next two years, then win seven consecutive national titles after that.
 
#82
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droski said:
no way sc is currently way ahead of the rest of the pac-10. sc players mailed it in last season when the pac-10 title wasn't in sight, what are they going to do if they can't win it at all? my bet is 7-5
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Talent wise ? depth wise ? according to every recruiting service that's out there (which most on this board seem to go by) then yes they do, 5 straight years of top 3 classes, last years #1 class. Name me another Pac 10 team that can even remotely get close to saying that.
 
#84
#84
It's amazing that, once you become a hat favorite, he'll contort any sense of logic to put a happy face on his coach du jour. Such a lawyer.

Anyway, Kiffin will get a break for losing only because there are 5 million other things to do in that town and nobody will give a rat's ass about a .500 football team outside of a few alumni. Make no mistake, though, Kiffin got this job because it's a garbage job for the next 3-4 years and, yes, that means UT is the better job now.

I don't think a lot of people understand the gravity of the crap job Kiffin has now, as well. 30 scholarship losses is killer and I mean killer. That's at least 5 years before being reasonably competitive at the same time the PAC-10 is putting together this potential superconference with football programs on par with USC in Texas and Oklahoma.

My guess is that Kiffin will caretake a .500 program that will dip as the sanctions are felt in recruiting and then get replaced by a top tier coach as the Trojans are leaving probation.

However, there's not a chance in hell this is some kind of win-win situation for Kiffin. He's stuck at a crap situation with a job nobody wanted. That's not an opportunity.
 
#85
#85
Unimane said:
It's amazing that, once you become a hat favorite, he'll contort any sense of logic to put a happy face on his coach du jour. Such a lawyer.

Anyway, Kiffin will get a break for losing only because there are 5 million other things to do in that town and nobody will give a rat's ass about a .500 football team outside of a few alumni. Make no mistake, though, Kiffin got this job because it's a garbage job for the next 3-4 years and, yes, that means UT is the better job now.

I don't think a lot of people understand the gravity of the crap job Kiffin has now, as well. 30 scholarship losses is killer and I mean killer. That's at least 5 years before being reasonably competitive at the same time the PAC-10 is putting together this potential superconference with football programs on par with USC in Texas and Oklahoma.

My guess is that Kiffin will caretake a .500 program that will dip as the sanctions are felt in recruiting and then get replaced by a top tier coach as the Trojans are leaving probation.

However, there's not a chance in hell this is some kind of win-win situation for Kiffin. He's stuck at a crap situation with a job nobody wanted. That's not an opportunity.
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We'll see. I think that's quite a bit of an overstatement.
 
#87
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hatvol96 said:
is that Kiffin is now in a no lose situation. If he doesn't do well, he can blame the sanctions. On the other hand, if he wins in spite of the limitations he becomes the new Butch Davis. Either way, he comes out of this alright.
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Who cares. Unless the appeal from USC makes a difference, that program is going down hill fast. No other program in the country has survived sanctions like this, and USC will not either. It will take them several years to dig out of this hole. You don't lose 30 scholarships and continue to be successful. Not going to happen.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Hard to say, since nobody that's empoyed there in that capacity is likely to have a job going forward.
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That's one accurate statement toward your e-cred! They cannot successfully contest this either. Kiffin is not however in a no lose situation. His 15 minutes are about to ding. You worship a false idol in Kiffin for sure. He's not a leader and when they go down this will get ugly.
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#89
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LawVol13 said:
We'll see. I think that's quite a bit of an overstatement.
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Really? For, at least the next 3-4 years, UT isn't better than a job that can't even go to the Poinsettia Bowl for the first part of that time and will have 30 less scholarships? We're not exactly Akron, Tennessee is in a significantly better position and a better job for the next 3-5 years. How could you possibly argue otherwise? Beacause of all the local talent, which will be raided by top schools who can actually play in bowl games? It's storied tradition? That didn't help in the 90s when they sucked. The dozens of non-bandwagon fans that will be left in the Colisseum once they aren't a feeder system for the NFL?

Saying it's not true, much less "quite a bit of an overstatement", is pretty hard to justify, although I'm curious as to how you might.
 
#90
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Unimane said:
It's amazing that, once you become a hat favorite, he'll contort any sense of logic to put a happy face on his coach du jour. Such a lawyer.

Anyway, Kiffin will get a break for losing only because there are 5 million other things to do in that town and nobody will give a rat's ass about a .500 football team outside of a few alumni. Make no mistake, though, Kiffin got this job because it's a garbage job for the next 3-4 years and, yes, that means UT is the better job now.

I don't think a lot of people understand the gravity of the crap job Kiffin has now, as well. 30 scholarship losses is killer and I mean killer. That's at least 5 years before being reasonably competitive at the same time the PAC-10 is putting together this potential superconference with football programs on par with USC in Texas and Oklahoma.

My guess is that Kiffin will caretake a .500 program that will dip as the sanctions are felt in recruiting and then get replaced by a top tier coach as the Trojans are leaving probation.

However, there's not a chance in hell this is some kind of win-win situation for Kiffin. He's stuck at a crap situation with a job nobody wanted. That's not an opportunity.
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Exactly and I know DD is grinning at his b-day party.
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#91
#91
Unimane said:
Really? For, at least the next 3-4 years, UT isn't better than a job that can't even go to the Poinsettia Bowl for the first part of that time and will have 30 less scholarships? We're not exactly Akron, Tennessee is in a significantly better position and a better job for the next 3-5 years. How could you possibly argue otherwise? Beacause of all the local talent, which will be raided by top schools who can actually play in bowl games? It's storied tradition? That didn't help in the 90s when they sucked. The dozens of non-bandwagon fans that will be left in the Colisseum once they aren't a feeder system for the NFL?

Saying it's not true, much less "quite a bit of an overstatement", is pretty hard to justify, although I'm curious as to how you might.
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If you hadn't noticed, Tennessee isn't exactly in great shape either. USC will be ok unless they start losing part of this year's class and/or some of their juniors and seniors. Are the sanctions going to hurt? Absolutely. Are they to the point where they're now a "garbage program?" I'm not sure, but I doubt that's true. Thus, I said we'll see.
 
#92
#92
Doesn't Shug Knight kill people for less than this?
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#93
#93
DD4ME said:
Exactly and I know DD is grinning at his b-day party.
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He better get all the smiles in he can now. When Florida's up 35-3 in the middle of the third quarter, grins will be hard to come by.
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#94
#94
Carroll will take Kiffin to the NFL in 2 if he's still there. That's where Monte gets off the train and Kiffster rides into the sunset. Ogre will just get a DUI and spend time in jail. That's the deal Kiffin worked out.
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#95
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JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! said:
More like an excuse and a no lose situation for the Kiffin slurpers on here, rather than Kiffin himself.

If Kiffin is even a half assed coach he should survive this without much problem unless he has an abundance of upper classmen defect, which I doubt. USC is deep on the roster everywhere with quality players at present, way ahead of the rest of the Pac 10, and they will be able to still get their fair share in the future.

The scholly limits will hurt some no doubt, but if Kiffin is half the recruiter and coach some on this board have claimed then he will win and win consistantly.
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Are you really serious? In 2006 and 2007 USC were co-champs with Cal and Arizona State. They managed to win the pac 10 in 2008 but not in 2009. Oregon was pac 10 champs. They are already slipping compared to what they did between 2003 - 2005. If you think they can lose 30 scholarships and not miss a beat and continue to be dominate, you need to sit down and think again. No other program has survived these type of sanctions, and they won't either.
 
#96
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hatvol96 said:
is that Kiffin is now in a no lose situation. If he doesn't do well, he can blame the sanctions. On the other hand, if he wins in spite of the limitations he becomes the new Butch Davis. Either way, he comes out of this alright.
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For once, I agree with you hat. Although, I highly doubt he will be successful enough to note. But, I could see him talking his way out of the crappy seasons by blaming it on the sanctions, fairly deservingly too.

I'm just glad he got what was coming to him. Now, I'm ok with hoping he rebounds and has a successful career.
 
#98
#98
LawVol13 said:
If you hadn't noticed, Tennessee isn't exactly in great shape either. USC will be ok unless they start losing part of this year's class and/or some of their juniors and seniors. Are the sanctions going to hurt? Absolutely. Are they to the point where they're now a "garbage program?" I'm not sure, but I doubt that's true. Thus, I said we'll see.
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Tennessee has a full suitcase of scholarships, the selling point of postseason for the next two years and will be 3 years ahead of USC in rebuilding at this point in 2013. If you think losing 10 scholarships a year for 3 years is just "going to hurt", you are kidding yourself. Alabama was crippled with less. So, yes, it's a garbage job (not program) for the next 3-5 years, much worse than the UT job for that period.

Seriously, you think a guy like Kiffin would get the USC job in any other scenario besides it being a garbage job at this point? In three years, USC will be dominated by small classes with second tier talent after getting raped by the larger powers for their usual talent base.

You are way, way undersestimating the damaging contents of these sanctions.
 
#99
#99
Unimane said:
Tennessee has a full suitcase of scholarships, the selling point of postseason for the next two years and will be 3 years ahead of USC in rebuilding at this point in 2013. If you think losing 10 scholarships a year for 3 years is just "going to hurt", you are kidding yourself. Alabama was crippled with less. So, yes, it's a garbage job (not program) for the next 3-5 years, much worse than the UT job for that period.

Seriously, you think a guy like Kiffin would get the USC job in any other scenario besides it being a garbage job at this point? In three years, USC will be dominated by small classes with second tier talent after getting raped by the larger powers for their usual talent base.

You are way, way undersestimating the damaging contents of these sanctions.
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I hope you're right. But I'm just not sure that's what's going to happen. But I would definitely love it if it did.
 
#100
#100
LawVol13 said:
I hope you're right. But I'm just not sure that's what's going to happen. But I would definitely love it if it did.
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Me too. Maybe I was a little harsh in condemning you, but I've just never seen a situation where losing scholarships was anything except disaster for the program. And 30 is more than any I can remember since the days of SMU.
 
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