The Thread Where We Debate About Healthcare in America

[Rickyvol77]

Except the ACL that BO spoke about would bankrupt some families here, whereas higher quality care in other parts of the planet would not.

See the difference?

Didn't you say you were an RN? I've never met an RN that believed that our private insurance based system wasn't a complete shtshow, this may be a first.

I’m not a RN I’m an executive manager. Government forced regulations and lawyers are the issue. They prevent private insurance and hospitals from negotiating prices and stop doctors from doing things that used to be effective like home visits for example

 

[0nelilreb]

The TVA. They did a pretty good job diminishing flood damage, promoting agriculture and electrifying the South. It's still a government agency and does a good job today.

That is a great example . Now can you tell the class why the TVA is different from other Federal agencies ?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Demographics, geography, governmental system, religion, race, or lifestyle have nothing to do with providing access the entirety of your population. It also has nothing to do with charging 20x more for a medication that is available worldwide at much more affordable rates.

You are clueless if you believe the first part. And I will agree with the medication part but that’s because of government regulations as well

 

[0nelilreb]

You’re saying that something that basically the entire developed world does we are incapable of. Why, specifically, would it be so much harder for the US to do?

No .. I’m just asking questions .

 

[FLVOL_79]

LOL, c'mon man. There's video, he said that sht and now he's walking it back, like a little btch.

When is his base going to stop shoveling nickles in his supermarket clown car ride and figure out they're supporting an imbecile?

You might need to re-watch that video you are gibbering about. Were his comments stupid? Yep. But he never said inject any chemicals into your veins. There's video.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Really? So just anyone who develops skin cancer can just go to the dermatologist? Or if someone needs a colon cancer screen they can just get a colonoscopy? If they are uninsured, what are the consequences?

Anyone can go to the ED. And anyone can go to any doctor they choose, just like any other service they have to pay for it somehow. That’s not a lack of access, and every one has access to insurance

 

[Septic]

Yeah. 72 was correct.

LOL, do you and the old man need me to link the video to Trump talking about injecting disinfectant?

Ask nicely and I will do it just for you.

 

[Hunerwadel]

That is a great example . Now can you tell the class why the TVA is different from other Federal agencies ?

Anything that sets it apart doesn't change the fact that it is a product of and is still owned by the US government.

 

[lawgator1]

So scrolling back a couple I see “Biden can’t speak” followed by LG “Trump Trump Trump TDS” which you followed with “but what about Trump covfefe” what did I leave out

Your point is stupid.

Elections by definition are comparisons. And the point is that for every alleged impropriety by Biden with a woman we can point to three confirmed ones by Trump. And for every dumb remark by Biden we can point to ten astoundingly idiotic remarks by Trump.

The real key is candor. For every untrue statement by Biden, intended or not, we can point to thousands, thousands, of intentional falsehoods by Trump.

 

[0nelilreb]

Anything that sets it apart doesn't change the fact that it is a product of and is still owned by the US government.

Oh yes it does . It goes to the very reason why it may work when all the other programs that belongs to the feds don’t .. as far as quality and cost . I’m curious as to why you just didn’t answer the question and be honest , instead of trying to side step the reason why the TVA program works .

 

[Septic]

You might need to re-watch that video you are gibbering about. Were his comments stupid? Yep. But he never said inject any chemicals into your veins. There's video.

Oh, we've seen the video. LOL - It must be tough to constantly have to explain what he "really meant" time and time again after watching him on tape implying dumb sht.

If your IQ didn't drop watching him trying to explain science, it was because you watched his briefing the night before and were already scraping the bottom of the barrel.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Your point is stupid.

Elections by definition are comparisons. And the point is that for every alleged impropriety by Biden with a woman we can point to three confirmed ones by Trump. And for every dumb remark by Biden we can point to ten astoundingly idiotic remarks by Trump.

The real key is candor. For every untrue statement by Biden, intended or not, we can point to thousands, thousands, of intentional falsehoods by Trump.

The reply of yours I was referring to was a TDS slam on Trump so who is being stupid here?

And your “but our creepy old elitist white guy isn’t as bad as your creepy old elitist white” reply is definitely stupid. And more whataboutism

 

[Septic]

Anyone can go to the ED. And anyone can go to any doctor they choose, just like any other service they have to pay for it somehow. That’s not a lack of access, and every one has access to insurance

Uninsured people do use the ED for medical care, there's not a ED in America that isn't in the red because of it. Not only are tax payers propping up that through there tax dollars, it's clogging up resources at the hospital and those people are still getting crushed financially for their trouble. Suggesting this a viable alternative and that everyone has access is breathtakingly myopic in reality.

 

[OHvol40]

You just doubled down on your straw man. Based on your posting history I’m not shocked one bit.

Exactly, nothing to contribute on the matter, because defending our healthcare makes anyone sound really, really dumb. Stepping back and focusing on me is actually a really good strategy.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Exactly, nothing to contribute on the matter, because defending our healthcare makes anyone sound really, really dumb. Stepping back and focusing on me is actually a really good strategy.

We’re focusing on your dumbass strawman replies to the original argument Cletus

 

[Rickyvol77]

Uninsured people do use the ED for medical care, there's not a ED in America that isn't in the red because of it. Not only are tax payers propping up that through there tax dollars, it's clogging up resources at the hospital and those people are still getting crushed financially for their trouble. Suggesting this a viable alternative and that everyone has access is breathtakingly myopic in reality.

Homeless, mentally ill, and drug addicts flood the EDs not actual medical needs. It’s because the police are required to bring them there by law and EMTALA forces EDs to see them. Which clogs up the system. And each of those people have access to insurance they choose not to get it or choose lifestyle choices that insurances won’t cover

 

[OHvol40]

You are clueless if you believe the first part. And I will agree with the medication part but that’s because of government regulations as well

Why? What do any of those factors have to do with providing reasonably affordable healthcare to your people?

And you mean lack of government regulations on medications, right? Because I’ve never seen a govt regulation that requires pharmaceuticals and providers to charge 5x the actual cost of a product or service.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Why? What do any of those factors have to do with providing reasonably affordable healthcare to your people?

And you mean lack of government regulations on medications, right? Because I’ve never seen a govt regulation that requires pharmaceuticals and providers to charge 5x the actual cost of a product or service.

Because you can’t control lifestyle choices people make which drive up hospital visits and the government keeps people from negotiating prices with insurance companies and hospitals like the old days

 

[Hunerwadel]

Oh yes it does . It goes to the very reason why it may work when all the other programs that belongs to the feds don’t .. as far as quality and cost . I’m curious as to why you just didn’t answer the question and be honest , instead of trying to side step the reason why the TVA program works .

You tell me. You basically asked for and I gave you and an example of a government agency that works.

 

[OHvol40]

We’re focusing on your dumbass strawman replies to the original argument Cletus

Ok, I’ll wait patiently for your contribution in defense of our healthcare system. Until then I’ll assume you’ve got nothing except for contempt.

 

[Septic]

Homeless, mentally ill, and drug addicts flood the EDs not actual medical needs. It’s because the police are required to bring them there by law and EMTALA forces EDs to see them. Which clogs up the system. And each of those people have access to insurance they choose not to get it or choose lifestyle choices that insurances won’t cover

Weird, when I worked at the UAB ED - our busiest times were just after 5pm, when people got off of work. The idea that the homeless and drug addicts are the only ones clogging up the system is not representative of the reality of my first hand experience.

 

[OHvol40]

Because you can’t control lifestyle choices people make which drive up hospital visits and the government keeps people from negotiating prices with insurance companies and hospitals like the old days

That has nothing to do with why our healthcare is so expensive, exclusive, and doesn’t prioritize patients.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Ok, I’ll wait patiently for your contribution in defense of our healthcare system. Until then I’ll assume you’ve got nothing except for contempt.

Why don’t you go form your own discussion thread on it instead of making strawmans here and trying to stay the hell on topic Cletus.

 

[OHvol40]

Why don’t you go form your own discussion thread on it instead of making strawmans here and trying to stay the hell on topic Cletus.

Nothing to say. Got it.

 

[Septic]

Because you can’t control lifestyle choices people make which drive up hospital visits and the government keeps people from negotiating prices with insurance companies and hospitals like the old days

Sure you can control those things, you just don't want them controlled. Beef and sugar subsidies are costing tax payers and insurance purchasers BILLIONS annually in adverse associated healthcare costs.