The Thread Where We Debate About Healthcare in America

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0nelilreb said:
That doesn’t make sense , the TVA is a thriving federal program . All government ran programs should be ran on its model . We know they won’t because it cuts the grifting and under the table pay out almost completely out . The reason why government ran programs are always in the negative column and lacking quality , is just the lack of consequences along with a guarantee of more federal funding .
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Do you think the insurance companies wouldn't try to stop something like a TVA modeled agency taking over healthcare for most Americans?
 
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Hunerwadel said:
Do you think the insurance companies wouldn't try to stop something like a TVA modeled agency taking over healthcare for most Americans?
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I don’t believe the insurance companies would have the chance to every argue their point , simply for the reasons I listed as to why the politicians won’t set it up that way .
 
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Hunerwadel said:
Do you think the insurance companies wouldn't try to stop something like a TVA modeled agency taking over healthcare for most Americans?
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The only thing different between TVA and any other company is that TVA was initially funded by the government. Today it is totally self sufficient and raises money based on power generated.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Have you ever seen Trump grab a female by anything ? Now be honest , have you ever seen Joe smell a woman’s hair , or bite a baby’s cheek ?
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Or feel up a 12 year old girl on television? If anyone produces any concrete evidence that Trump's raped someone, then I'll be right with angry mob calling for his head. But multi decade old accusations that more or less coincided with him becoming a presidential candidate don't have much credibility.
 
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lukeneyland said:
Or feel up a 12 year old girl on television? If anyone produces any concrete evidence that Trump's raped someone, then I'll be right with angry mob calling for his head. But multi decade old accusations that more or less coincided with him becoming a presidential candidate don't have much credibility.
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But, but he got pissed on by some Moscow hookers and Putin has the tape. :rolleyes:
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
F
um I’m not advocating controlling people’s freedoms. I’m stating the reasons our healthcare is only ranked in the top 10 by those “statistics”. Our healthcare is still the best in the world
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Your anecdotal American exceptionalism grounded entirely on feelz and void of supporting evidence is noted.
 
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Septic said:
Uninsured people do use the ED for medical care, there's not a ED in America that isn't in the red because of it. Not only are tax payers propping up that through there tax dollars, it's clogging up resources at the hospital and those people are still getting crushed financially for their trouble. Suggesting this a viable alternative and that everyone has access is breathtakingly myopic in reality.
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The ACA did more damage to health care than the poor going to the ED.

How do we socialize health care when 44% of Americans pay no federal tax?

Do we add another tax? Like a Medicare tax? How much will this need to be for every American to have health insurance? 10%, 20%, 30%? Do we get to keep our doctor?
 
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Septic said:
Uninsured people do use the ED for medical care, there's not a ED in America that isn't in the red because of it. Not only are tax payers propping up that through there tax dollars, it's clogging up resources at the hospital and those people are still getting crushed financially for their trouble. Suggesting this a viable alternative and that everyone has access is breathtakingly myopic in reality.
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The ACA was supposed to get people out of the ER. ER utilization has actually gone up.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
If they did look into it and It makes sense the insurance lobby would kill it. So I doubt it.
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Wrong..... the insurance companies would become the largest government contractors and be paid the process and handle claims and etc..... they’d also be off the financial hook with regard to underwriting and pricing premiums.... they’d end up making more profit with no risk.... think about it
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
It’s not feelz. Please give me a country that has better doctors, nurses, innovative methods, better equipment, and quicker results
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See, you're trying to rationalize using subjective terminology. I've already cited data that shows our access, efficacy, efficiency, cost and outcomes are nearly last when compared to our technological peers. So tell me what makes the U.S. doctors, nurses, methods and equipment "better" here than say the AU or UK?

You can't.

Your narrative of American exceptionalism for "da best" healthcare simply doesn't hold water. Given we pay twice as much for outcomes that are similar or lagging our international peers should be infuriating.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
“Their”

The ACA did more damage to health care than the poor going to the ED.

How do we socialize health care when 44% of Americans pay no federal tax?

Do we add another tax? Like a Medicare tax? How much will this need to be for every American to have health insurance? 10%, 20%, 30%? Do we get to keep our doctor?
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I don't know. People would have more income in their pockets if they were getting ass raped by United Healthcare, BCBS, Humana etc. Substituting a small tax increase for universal healthcare that would largely offset out of pocket premiums seems to work elsewhere. I refuse to believe the worlds largest economy can't figure out what most of the world already has.

I never said I had an answer for it, just that other countries have figured out how to do it provide better care for less. I get that it's a hard pill to swallow when one has been raised to believe that 'murica has it all figured out.
 
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Septic said:
I don't know. People would have more income in their pockets if they were getting ass raped by United Healthcare, BCBS, Humana etc. Substituting a small tax increase for universal healthcare that would largely offset out of pocket premiums seems to work elsewhere. I refuse to believe the worlds largest economy can't figure out what most of the world already has.

I never said I had an answer for it, just that other countries have figured out how to do it provide better care for less. I get that it's a hard pill to swallow when one has been raised to believe that 'murica has it all figured out.
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You don’t have “ better care “ if you are forced to wait months for tests or procedures in a health care system, that’s extremely dishonest and SUBJECTIVE .
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Wrong..... the insurance companies would become the largest government contractors and be paid the process and handle claims and etc..... they’d also be off the financial hook with regard to underwriting and pricing premiums.... they’d end up making more profit with no risk.... think about it
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In that case I'm not sure it would fit the TVA model. But I don't know. This started by someone asking to name a government agency that actually works. I thought TVA has served the region well and seems to work.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
Right. It's a government agency that works. That's why I mentioned them. I wonder if a medical agency could work as well?
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Well, It is possible that I could win the US Amateur next year and go on to be the next Bobby Jones. But it is highly unlikely.
 
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0nelilreb said:
You don’t have “ better care “ if you are forced to wait months for tests or procedures in a health care system, that’s extremely dishonest and SUBJECTIVE .
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Weird how their outcomes for serious diseases are no worse that the US isn't it? Like the AU system, you can buy up your coverage to move to the front of the line for electives.

Spending more for the same outcomes doesn't make our doctors, nurses and equipment better, it just makes ours more expensive. All the while the insurance company board of directors gets filthy rich.
 
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Septic said:
Weird how their outcomes for serious diseases are no worse that the US isn't it? Like the AU system, you can buy up your coverage to move to the front of the line for electives.

Spending more for the same outcomes doesn't make our doctors, nurses and equipment better, it just makes ours more expensive. All the while the insurance company board of directors gets filthy rich.
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Here’s the facts of a universal health care system that most countries base their model after . Now deploy that system in the U.S. with its governing style / population , and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know what will happen here ..
Pros and Cons of Universal Health Care in the United Kingdom
 
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0nelilreb said:
Here’s the facts of a universal health care system that most countries base their model after . Now deploy that system in the U.S. with its governing style / population , and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know what will happen here ..
Pros and Cons of Universal Health Care in the United Kingdom
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Looks like the pros outweigh the cons for the population. Again, many countries allow people to buy supplements for faster access for routine or elective issues. I don't know what our population or governing style has anything to do with anything.

I keep seeing excuses why this would be universally bad, without anything to back it up but "i could possibly be inconvenienced" based on the triage of my ailment.
 
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