The truth about 2nd hand smoke..

#79
#79
Rasputin_Vol said:
Pretty soon, that won't even be allowed (seriously).

Like I said, I'm not even a smoker, but if cigarette smoke is so bad, why not just ban the stuff and be done with it?
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You're allowed to do lots of bad stuff to yourself, just not to others. It's why you can drink, but you can't do certain activities while you're intoxicated. You can smoke, you just can't do it in a fashion that might be harmful to others.
 
#80
#80
kptvol said:
You're allowed to do lots of bad stuff to yourself, just not to others. It's why you can drink, but you can't do certain activities while you're intoxicated. You can smoke, you just can't do it in a fashion that might be harmful to others.
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No one is forcing you to go to a bar (where smoking and drinking occur). No one is forcing you to take a job in a bar. Bars have always been known as places where drinking and smoking occur. If you want to be in an environment that is smoke free, you have the free will to go to a smoke free restaurant. If there isn't one in your locale, instead of whining to the local politicos, why not allow the free market to create a smoke free restaurant if the demand is there.

If the restaurant wants to have people engage in a legal activity (smoking is still legal for persons over 18), then what is the big deal? If you don't want to be surrounded by smoke, don't go to a bar.
 
#83
#83
[quote=KentheOrange;1090092]Smoking areas in a restaurant is about as effective as a peeing area in a swimming pool.

If restaurant & bar owners had invested in proper equipment we wouldn't be at this stage now. All you have to do is keep the top inch next to the ceiling clean and everything else takes care of itself. Smoke goes straight up and you don't get the smelly clothes and burning eyes until the buildup comes down to you. Go watch a bingo parlor one night. Great concentration of smokers and you can actually watch the cloud of smoke desend on them.[/quote]
:eek:lol:
 
#84
#84
It amazes that a smoker cant sit down for an hour and have a meal without lighting up a cigarette. That's not an unreasonable expectation.
 
#85
#85
oklavol said:
It amazes that a smoker cant sit down for an hour and have a meal without lighting up a cigarette. That's not an unreasonable expectation.
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About as unreasonable as non-smokers telling smokers what reasonable is. We are in the business now of legislating politeness, fantastic.
 
#87
#87
allvol123 said:
About as unreasonable as non-smokers telling smokers what reasonable is. We are in the business now of legislating politeness, fantastic.
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I don't think it's unreasonable to expect someone to either wait an hour to do something or to walk outside to do it. I just don't see why one could be all that upset about this. You have to walk outside to smoke most everywhere else you are.
 
#88
#88
kptvol said:
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect someone to either wait an hour to do something or to walk outside to do it. I just don't see why one could be all that upset about this. You have to walk outside to smoke most everywhere else you are.
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Perhaps it isn't unreasonable, legislating it is a whole other matter.
 
#89
#89
allvol123 said:
About as unreasonable as non-smokers telling smokers what reasonable is. We are in the business now of legislating politeness, fantastic.
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I guess smokers should be able to smoke in the restaurant and non-smokers are suppose to get up and go stand outside until they finish, regardless of the fact that the large majority of people don't smoke?
 
#90
#90
oklavol said:
I guess smokers should be able to smoke in the restaurant and non-smokers are suppose to get up and go stand outside until they finish, regardless of the fact that the large majority of people don't smoke?
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No. If the majority of non-smokers can't stand to be around smokers while eating then restaraunts will form there own non-smoking rules. Let the business owner pick his own methods of operation, not have it forced down his throat. If there are so many of "you", the business owners will adjust to make "you" happy.
 
#91
#91
allvol123 said:
No. If the majority of non-smokers can't stand to be around smokers while eating then restaraunts will form there own non-smoking rules. Let the business owner pick his own methods of operation, not have it forced down his throat. If there are so many of "you", the business owners will adjust to make "you" happy.
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Actually, I believe you can designate a restaurant as "smoking". However, once you do that, you have to enforce an age restriction at your business.
 
#92
#92
kptvol said:
Actually, I believe you can designate a restaurant as "smoking". However, once you do that, you have to enforce an age restriction at your business.
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They should be able to designate it smoking, non-smoking, or mixed...whatever the guy footing the bill to operate the place wants to designate it. He should have the option to choose the practices that will contribute to his success or failure.
 
#93
#93
allvol123 said:
They should be able to designate it smoking, non-smoking, or mixed...whatever the guy footing the bill to operate the place wants to designate it. He should have the option to choose the practices that will contribute to his success or failure.
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I dunno. You seemed to complain about kids being unable to control where there parents take them to eat, potentially exposing them to an unhealthy environment. That was probably just an example to illustrate a point, but this is a step in the right direction in that regard.
 
#94
#94
kptvol said:
I dunno. You seemed to complain about kids being unable to control where there parents take them to eat, potentially exposing them to an unhealthy environment. That was probably just an example to illustrate a point, but this is a step in the right direction in that regard.
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Yea, it was just to illustrate a point. I think that would be a step in the wrong direction. I am sorry kids have crappy parents or people don't like second hand smoke, but these aren't worthy examples for the government to step in, at least not from the way I view the world.
 
#95
#95
oklavol said:
I guess smokers should be able to smoke in the restaurant and non-smokers are suppose to get up and go stand outside until they finish, regardless of the fact that the large majority of people don't smoke?
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No, non-smokers should create a demand for a non-smoking restaurant or some non-smoker with money should start up a chain of restaurants that are smoke free.

But if an owner or company chooses to have people engage in a legal activity, then the gov't doesn't need to step in with bans or limiting the rights of property owners.

It would be one thing if there was reefer smoke being blown around all over a bar... that is illegal activity and you have every right to complain about activity that is illegal. But last time I checked, smoking is still a legal activity. If smoking is so harmful, why aren't non-smokers campaigning to ban cigarettes all together?
 
#96
#96
kptvol said:
Actually, I believe you can designate a restaurant as "smoking". However, once you do that, you have to enforce an age restriction at your business.
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In Tennessee, that is the law, for now. But that is simply the nose of the camel in the tent. In 10 years, nobody will be smoking in bars, no matter what kind of age restriction a bar has.
 
#97
#97
kptvol said:
I dunno. You seemed to complain about kids being unable to control where there parents take them to eat, potentially exposing them to an unhealthy environment. That was probably just an example to illustrate a point, but this is a step in the right direction in that regard.
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You're gonna have kids out there that grow up in households with 1-2 smokers as parents. I'm sure the exposure they get at home is far more than what they would receive from an occasional visit to O'Charlies or Outback.

Should we have a law to protect the health of children in these households? Should we ban parents from smoking in their own homes if kids are around?
 
#98
#98
Rasputin_Vol said:
You're gonna have kids out there that grow up in households with 1-2 smokers as parents. I'm sure the exposure they get at home is far more than what they would receive from an occasional visit to O'Charlies or Outback.

Should we have a law to protect the health of children in these households? Should we ban parents from smoking in their own homes if kids are around?
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It will happen in the next 3 years in a state from the Northeast.
 
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