The World of Recruiting

[allvol123]

How do YOU know that? Entertainment performers talk all the time about how the only time they are happy is on stage pleasing their fans. I am quite sure that these coaches get pleasure out of putting a team on the field that excites and pleases the fans.I hope you are young... the type of narrow-minded, base ideal you are spewing is pathetic in anyone with experience in the world.

If you are in a career and have not reached a point where being excellent is the main motive then you have a lot of growing up to do no matter how old you are.

Oh please teach me more sjt18, oh experienced one. Once AGAIN, Clawson left podunk university to come to UT. Why because it is a prestigious job and pays good money. Also, it has the potential to get him even further up the chain. I am sorry to disappoint you, his primary objective was not to make you happy. He needs wins to keep moving up, and that will make you happy. But making you happy is not his primary goal.

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[allvol123]

Holy cow!!! I just looked and you are 35! Are you kidding me? You are 35 and believe that people are only motivated by money and promotion?

Wow.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised in a society plagued by the consequences of self-centeredness and greed... but still.... Wow.

You believe people are professionally motivated by smiles and giggles? Are you 12?

 

[allvol123]

Allvol, you realize that this thread was started as a way to acknowledge the scarifices coaches make everyday. You may want to argue what motivates them, but I just want to let people know what they go through day to day to help keep our program successful. If the university wins, then we all win.

They do make sacrifices and I was nitpicking your commentary a little. Did not agree with the last point.

 

[rexvol]

You believe people are professionally motivated by smiles and giggles? Are you 12?

when my 4 month old smiles and giggles, well, that's all the motivation I need

 

[sjt18]

Oh please teach me more sjt18, oh experienced one. Once AGAIN, Clawson left podunk university to come to UT. Why because it is a prestigious job and pays good money. Also, it has the potential to get him even further up the chain. I am sorry to disappoint you, his primary objective was not to make you happy. He needs wins to keep moving up, and that will make you happy. But making you happy is not his primary goal.

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I didn't say it was his primary objective though did I? I said that he doesn't seem to be motivated by money and promotion alone. In other words, he doesn't seem to be an egocentric narcissist like Saban or Miles.

There is good evidence that he's the type who really does it for the love of the game... and all that goes with it including the joy of the fans... rather than just to line his pockets and become famous.

 

[allvol123]

I didn't say it was his primary objective though did I? I said that he doesn't seem to be motivated by money and promotion alone. In other words, he doesn't seem to be an egocentric narcissist like Saban or Miles.

There is good evidence that he's the type who really does it for the love of the game... and all that goes with it including the joy of the fans... rather than just to line his pockets and become famous.

As evidenced by his move from Richmond to UT. Again, nothing wrong with liking money. You can have passion for your job and also love making money at it. It is ok sjt. But again, he isn't doing it to make you happy. Sorry that upsets your little "world revolves around me" mentality.

 

[sjt18]

You believe people are professionally motivated by smiles and giggles? Are you 12?

I am experienced enough to know that people who are great at their jobs are seldom motivated by the money or even by promotion except as it has to do with greater challenges. A basic mgt/leadership class would teach you that money is a potential "de-motivator" but has very limited potential as a motivator. It only motivates someone until they are used to having it... then you have to give them more.


Does money and promotions follow these types of people? Yes. Is it their primary motivators? Very seldom. Those types quickly get the rep as a self-centered people users. They usually struggle to hold together personal relationships and families even with more money unless the other is motivated by some type of fear (losing lifestyle, fear of sinning, ingrained belief against divorce/dividing families, etc)

What is you line of work allvol123? I've been managing in mfg for over 20 years and pastor a church... What is your source of experience?

 

[rexvol]

there has to be love for the game, even for guys like Saban, without some element of that then the 22 days on the road are just not worth it.

 

[sjt18]

But again, he isn't doing it to make you happy.

Many people do their jobs well because they are motivated by the love and respect of those who observe them doing their jobs. There are successful CEO's that are motivated that way. Military officers think it is of paramount importance to be respected by the observing public as well as their fellow soldiers.

Sorry that upsets your little "world revolves around me" mentality.

You have to be kidding, right? It is you that espouses that no one does anything except for purely selfish motives. I'll be honest enough to say that I cut my climb on the proverbial ladder short because it was demanding too much of my time. I deemed that "success" was having a home with a father rather than more money and promotions... and if money or promotion were my motivation for pastoring our church... you can be certain I wouldn't be doing it.

Clawson doesn't have to do it to make me happy as a member of the "fans"... but I suspect that pleasing the "fans" does motivate him. Regardless, I'll take joy in his successes even if he is as selfish as you seem to think.

 

[allvol123]

I am experienced enough to know that people who are great at their jobs are seldom motivated by the money or even by promotion except as it has to do with greater challenges. A basic mgt/leadership class would teach you that money is a potential "de-motivator" but has very limited potential as a motivator. It only motivates someone until they are used to having it... then you have to give them more.


Does money and promotions follow these types of people? Yes. Is it their primary motivators? Very seldom. Those types quickly get the rep as a self-centered people users. They usually struggle to hold together personal relationships and families even with more money unless the other is motivated by some type of fear (losing lifestyle, fear of sinning, ingrained belief against divorce/dividing families, etc)

What is you line of work allvol123? I've been managing in mfg for over 20 years and pastor a church... What is your source of experience?

You have to give them more money? Oh wait...why? Because that is what they find motivating. I currently work for the biggest and best guitar maker in the world. Thus, I am surrounded by people that love guitars. While these people love their work, the primary motivator is success, promotions, money. Not putting guitars into little johnny's hands. Co-workers leave and join industry competitors for more money and/or promotions. Not because they think they can please more people. Clawson does not work his ass off to make you happy. I am so sorry this disturbs you.

 

[allvol123]

Clawson doesn't have to do it to make me happy as a member of the "fans"... but I suspect that pleasing the "fans" does motivate him. Regardless, I'll take joy in his successes even if he is as selfish as you seem to think.

Where have I said selfish? It is selfish to make large sums of money in order to have more protection and better things for your family? You just confuse wanting to make more money with being selfish, that is your problem not mine.

 

[sjt18]

Clawson does not work his ass off to make you happy. I am so sorry this disturbs you.

It doesn't.

I'm not disturbed... I'm simply pointing out that you are wrong. When people are so foolish as to base their decisions solely on money and promotion, they almost always fail and end up unhappy.

Sorry the truth disturbs you so greatly.

 

[sjt18]

Where have I said selfish? It is selfish to make large sums of money in order to have more protection and better things for your family?

Potentially. Surveys of children show that they'd rather have more time with their parents than nicer things.

Want security? Leave the large community with the big salaries and move to a place like where we live now... many people don't lock their doors.

You just confuse wanting to make more money with being selfish, that is your problem not mine.

No. Not confused at all. Scripture tells us the proper role of wealth in a person's life... and I've experienced enough to know there are many better measures of success than salary and job title.

 

[allvol123]

Potentially. Surveys of children show that they'd rather have more time with their parents than nicer things.

Want security? Leave the large community with the big salaries and move to a place like where we live now... many people don't lock their doors. No. Not confused at all. Scripture tells us the proper role of wealth in a person's life... and I've experienced enough to know there are many better measures of success than salary and job title.

So he left a smaller school and job to work at UT where he'll spend more time working. I see, doesn't seem to flow with the picture you have painted of him.

Are you just rambling on now? What does this have to do with me saying he is not doing this to make sure you and the university are happy. You going to tell me you are a pastor again?

 

[zjcvols]

That's crazy, thank you vol coaching staff for your effort. I think we need to get rid of Chavis as lb coach, not coordinator. How a/b Al Wilson. He has had a neck injury so nobody will probably sign him. Anyway, he can come coach lb's, i bet the farm he would be energetic and help with leadership. He could also recruit i bet. he called d plays for a long time so he is smart. wat do u guys think.

 

[chavisut]

Chavis is a better LB coach than he is DC IMO.

 

[rexvol]

Chavis is a better LB coach than he is DC IMO.

yep.

 

[chavisut]

The best thing for UT would be Chavis willing to step down as DC and remain LBs coach and bring in a great DB coach that could be a DC. Don't see that happening though.

 

[vols_are_champs]

The best thing for UT would be Chavis willing to step down as DC and bring in a great DB coach that could be a DC. Don't see that happening though.

Chavis wouldn't go happily would he? and with our DBs he doesn't have to be a great DB coach

 

[sjt18]

So he left a smaller school and job to work at UT where he'll spend more time working. I see, doesn't seem to flow with the picture you have painted of him.

Not necessarily. I never said that money and promotions weren't nice, desirable rewards. I simply pointed out that your insistence that everyone is ultimately only motivated by money and promotion is false.... and it is false.

I don't know what all their motivations are as individuals. I do know that some people could care less about money and things. The first company I worked for years ago was owned by one of America's first billionaires. He wore cheap clothing and lived in a middle class neighborhood in a very unassuming house. He didn't have lots of nice cars or spend summers on the riviera. Money was one thing to him... a measure of how successfully he was leading his company.

He was eccentric no doubt... but he really didn't show alot of regard for the things you say motivate everyone all the time. Money was just a measuring stick... and there was no where he could be promoted to.

Are you just rambling on now?

Why, because you are too stubborn to admit you are wrong? Just because you can't accept the point being made doesn't make it rambling nor untrue.

What does this have to do with me saying he is not doing this to make sure you and the university are happy.

FTR, Where did I say he was? I said that some people are motivated by pleasing other people (fans) more so or even to the exclusion of being motivated by money or promotion.

And even that motive explains the desire for a bigger stage on which to please people.

You going to tell me you are a pastor again?

Pastors, and rex can attest to this, run across all types and can't "assume" that everyone fits into a nice little box like what you seem to assume.

Pastors who are worth anything seldom make what they are worth (and no, I'm not thinking of myself but rather the great pastors I've followed). They are often examples of people motivated by things far more valuable than money or fame or position... but you don't seem to understand those motives or acknowledge that they exist.

 

[crusse10]

Where did I say they think about it moment by moment?

As I said, if he did it purely out of love, he could coach a HS team.

Why does a teacher teach 11th grade Trigonometry when he can teach 1st graders? It's purely preference. Perhaps he simply enjoys coaching collegiate athletes as opposed to high schoolers. It's the same reason some coaches who could go to the NFL decide against it. Sure, they could make more money, but they prefer molding young adults as opposed to simply telling them what plays to run, etc.

 

[sjt18]

Let's see how Clawson and staff work out. If it goes well then maybe Chavis will move on and UT can make some similar hires on D. If the DC is upgraded then I don't think he'll be missed as a LB coach.

 

[vols_are_champs]

For guys like Saban and Petrino though, they get their money in the bigs and thennn mold young athletes

 

[allvol123]

Why, because you are too stubborn to admit you are wrong? Just because you can't accept the point being made doesn't make it rambling nor untrue. FTR, Where did I say he was? I said that some people are motivated by pleasing other people (fans) more so or even to the exclusion of being motivated by money or promotion. Pastors, and rex can attest to this, run across all types and can't "assume" that everyone fits into a nice little box like what you seem to assume.

Pastors who are worth anything seldom make what they are worth (and no, I'm not thinking of myself but rather the great pastors I've followed). They are often examples of people motivated by things far more valuable than money or fame or position... but you don't seem to understand those motives or acknowledge that they exist.

Never have shown me where I was wrong. You've just used your fantiastic pastoring skills to shove some backhanded remarks my way, nice job. Remind me to stay away from your church.

Again, he did not do it for you or any of the fans. He did not leave Richmond to come to UT because of his passion for making fans happy. He did it for the prestige, money and future opportunities.

You seem to be quite good at putting people in boxes.


Again, can you tell me your church so I can be sure never to attend it?

 

[allvol123]

Why does a teacher teach 11th grade Trigonometry when he can teach 1st graders? It's purely preference. Perhaps he simply enjoys coaching collegiate athletes as opposed to high schoolers. It's the same reason some coaches who could go to the NFL decide against it. Sure, they could make more money, but they prefer molding young adults as opposed to simply telling them what plays to run, etc.

Good job Crusse. In case you are not aware, he was already a HEAD COACH at a college. Wonder why he left? Must be because we have so many fans he could make happy.