The Xavier Postgame Report

[Spartacavolus]

Barton 30 minutes 10pts 4ast 1to 2stl 50%3pt


Just what the doctor ordered.


I don't think the scheduling was a big deal, but I will say if we had played a game Barton would've been the starter for this one. If Barton starts I don't think we get out to such a slow start and ultimately we win the game.

Jmo

and that's exactly what I thought he could bring, and a little more. If his coach doesn't hold him and the team back, he can be a factor. What are the numbers from the pg position tonight? I thought the freshman did ok.

 

[VolGee4]

z, i'm not happy. The most unhappy I have been in awhile about basketball. I apologize if this is long, but I'm going to go on a not happy rant/vent:
I'm not happy:
-that we play a big and slow center and don't run him at all. We then walk it up and try to go right at him forcing and flailing like uncoordinated kids trying to make a team they aren't good enough to be on
-that we ran twice in 40 seconds to get 5 pts in the first half, after scoring a total of 7 in the first 13 minutes by not pushing the pace and running those guys out of the gym
-that cm killed momentum twice with timeouts. Doesn't have to happen. You can set up a d by signaling your pg at some point prior to tell the team we will be full court press after a bucket. We called it sting 3. At the ft line, you call sting 3 after next made bucket and save the momentum killing timeouts that probably ended up costing us several points on the possessions that followed.
-that it took till 30 seconds left in the game for us to send 2 picks to Mcrae to get him open.
-that the skillsets of several players are being held back by coaching due to the offense and spacing principles
-that he would put maymon and stokes with their backs to a bigger man on the offensive end
-that his sub pattern killed momentum on several occasions too
-that CM's coaching has been outcoached more than he has outcoached in his tenure here
-that there are no clearouts or pick and rolls with the other 3 players clearing out in an offense with slashers like mcrae, Richardson, hubbs, etc
-that other teams keep getting easy shots as we continue to struggle to get open shots
-that we don't use our strengths and get out and run. We run, we win that game handily with our depth.
-that I may end up apologizing to Trae if the offense continues to look like it did when he was here last year. I didn't expect the halfcourt game and wasted motion in the offense tonight. Very disappointed.

Haha. Don't on that last one. Barton showed in one game why he will be better than Trae. Smooth and steady. But everything else I pretty much agree with.

 

[VolGee4]

I swear I heard something that TV wanted this game first for tipoff week, but I am not sure. I thought we actually allowed this game to be put first but it was going to be later. Maybe they didn't want the possibility of playing Xavier so close together with the tournament. I don't know.

 

[Plateauvol]

The cold hard truth is that CCM is not going to cut it in the long run. If you can accept 17,18,19 wins most seasons and a very occasional NCAA bid with a one and done then CCM is your coach of the future. If you expect 25 or so wins and a run to at least the sweet 16 then we need another coach and we need one soon.:disappointed:

 

[Ace]

I do not think Xavier is a good team, but they are a well coached team. Their coach got the best out of his players, unfortunately tonight we cannot say the same.

 

[Spartacavolus]

ZJC and Sparty are dead on with their points. I've been hoping Martin would show is he can actually make adjustments during a game, but he is too hard headed and set in his philosophy, and if he doesn't change, it will cost him his job. There were just too many bad coaching decisions made tonight. He refuses to play zone when they are killing us inside. His hard head will make his seat hot if he doesn't adjust.

that team had maybe 2 guys that appeared to be threats from the outside. Instead we let them underneath all night. Don't you at least try to do some coaching to win the game?

 

[VolGee4]

The cold hard truth is that CCM is not going to cut it in the long run. If you can accept 17,18,19 wins most seasons and a very occasional NCAA bid with a one and done then CCM is your coach of the future. If you expect 25 or so wins and a run to at least the sweet 16 then we need another coach and we need one soon.:disappointed:

The thing is that replacing someone like Pearl is so tough. Pearl set our expectations. Martin would look like a genius if he was replacing Buzz Peterson. I want to see how this year goes. I have no doubt that Martin can recruit well if he can just get to a tournament or two.

 

[VolGee4]

that team had maybe 2 guys that appeared to be threats from the outside. Instead we let them underneath all night. Don't you at least try to do some coaching to win the game?

This is what I have been saying. Why no zone? You scheme for your opponent. Christon is their best player but does not shoot well from outside. Instead we watch him drive all night and their bigs score 40+ on one on one moves. Pack it in!

 

[OrangeBalls]

that team had maybe 2 guys that appeared to be threats from the outside. Instead we let them underneath all night. Don't you at least try to do some coaching to win the game?

And there's the rub. My gut tells me what I already know in regards to his coaching. A leopard doesn't change his spots. Martin is not going to drastically be a great X's and O's coach all of a sudden. He better hope his talent bails him out because it appears his coaching can't/won't. I'm giving him this year, but tonight tells me pretty much what I already know. And anyone that is true to themselves should already know too.

 

[Volinmem]

that team had maybe 2 guys that appeared to be threats from the outside. Instead we let them underneath all night. Don't you at least try to do some coaching to win the game?

Exactly. He doesn't like to play zone, but there are times when you have to, and he doesn't understand that. There will be more games this year when we will need to play zone, hopefully he learned a lesson tonight, but I doubt it.

 

[Cartervol]

I don't know. I'm not a basketball coach. Anyone else think you should have maybe a offensive identity if you're going to sub so much? Seems like that would make it twice as hard to get into any kind of rhythm. Doesn't do you much good having fresh guys out there if they have no clue what to do..

 

[tnvols72]

Mcrae is all Tn has. Stokes better get a degree because he is not going to NBA. Maymon was awful. Martin is going to wait until Feb to try and start coaching. the line ups that was on the floor made no sense. over all it was pathetic

 

[VolGee4]

Exactly. He doesn't like to play zone, but there are times when you have to, and he doesn't understand that. There will be more games this year when we will need to play zone, hopefully he learned a lesson tonight, but I doubt it.

Not sure he has ever done it. The zone offense and defense have concerned me from day one.

 

[OrangeBalls]

One of the biggest mind boggling things of the entire night to me was the substitution patterns. Q didn't play one minute in both exhibition games. Moore played quite a bit. What does Martin do? Plays Q quite a bit tonight and Moore barely sees the floor after playing pretty good. I don't get it. Who ever is doing his substituting for him is on some serious drugs. What a complete cluster F that was tonight.

 

[bkells66]

Mcrae is all Tn has. Stokes better get a degree because he is not going to NBA. Maymon was awful. Martin is going to wait until Feb to try and start coaching. the line ups that was on the floor made no sense. over all it was pathetic

Good point. Some of the lineups on the floor were absolutely terrible. Some left me wondering who the number one option would be.

 

[Cartervol]

Mcrae is all Tn has. Stokes better get a degree because he is not going to NBA. Maymon was awful. Martin is going to wait until Feb to try and start coaching. the line ups that was on the floor made no sense. over all it was pathetic

Nah they have the pieces, just not the guy that can put it together it seems.. At least not enough to make the NCAA tournament. He's gone if he doesn't make it in this year and rightfully so..

 

[imbubbaspitcup]

I think you answered most of your own questions. It's obvious CCM can't motivate and he is not a good coach.. I have supported him since he has been here and think he is a great guy but after watching how he coaches , especially in game, I do not have much faith in his ability to coach. As for Stokes, he is a 4 year player unless he likes Europe. He was dominated by a slow white guy tonight . It's a long season but we have the same glaring issues we have always had under CCM. I doubt it's going to change.

That slow white guy was about 6'10"or 6'11" & big. What does color of skin have to do with it. Stokes was in foul trouble early, he only played 5 min in the first half. In the second half he couldn't play solid defense cause they called every defensive move he made a foul. Even when he farted! OUR Vols fought back and played hard to the end and almost pulled it out. They are going to get it together & be a really good team barring injury.

 

[tnvols72]

And there's the rub. My gut tells me what I already know in regards to his coaching. A leopard doesn't change his spots. Martin is not going to drastically be a great X's and O's coach all of a sudden. He better hope his talent bails him out because it appears his coaching can't/won't. I'm giving him this year, but tonight tells me pretty much what I already know. And anyone that is true to themselves should already know too.

its too late for him to try and be an X's & O's coach. he better hope talent saves his job

 

[Chris4Vols22]

Yeah, let's make one thing clear, Martin does not get a pass for this effort. The game plan was awful.

However, you can't write off the team or season at this point. That's equally absurd.

 

[Spartacavolus]

can't believe we didn't come out and push the pace. CM reverted to the problems that plagued him last year. Get the damn ball out of the net or rebound and go. Play to your team's strengths and let them get in a rhythm by just playing ball. Seems like we go hoosiers with our motion offense, get robotic and turn it over or get a bs shot. Same **** as last year.

 

[Chris4Vols22]

can't believe we didn't come out and push the pace. CM reverted to the problems that plagued him last year. Get the damn ball out of the net or rebound and go. Play to your team's strengths and let them get in a rhythm by just playing ball. Seems like we go hoosiers with our motion offense, get robotic and turn it over or get a bs shot. Same **** as last year.

Yep, that was troubling. People seemed to blame Golden for walking the ball up the court, but that's clearly Martin's strategy. If we don't try to push it more, I can't agree with Martin on that.

 

[PanicVol]

Watching teams like Kansas, Duke, Mich St., etc. makes me think we're just as behind in basketball as we are football.

 

[Volinmem]

Every coach wants to see his players grow and develop during their career...Martin needs to take a long, hard look at his own lack of growth and development.

 

[OrangeBalls]

can't believe we didn't come out and push the pace. CM reverted to the problems that plagued him last year. Get the damn ball out of the net or rebound and go. Play to your team's strengths and let them get in a rhythm by just playing ball. Seems like we go hoosiers with our motion offense, get robotic and turn it over or get a bs shot. Same **** as last year.

Hey, didn't you know when you try the same thing over and over and expect different results then you really aren't insane?

 

[Spartacavolus]

Yep, that was troubling. People seemed to blame Golden for walking the ball up the court, but that's clearly Martin's strategy. If we don't try to push it more, I can't agree with Martin on that.

I don't know why CM has said we will push the ball more when he didn't do it for the first 13 minutes. He wanted to walk it up and run the motion offense.
Did get 4 steals from the pg position tonight.