The Xavier Postgame Report

#52
#52
Chris4Vols22 said:
Yeah, let's make one thing clear, Martin does not get a pass for this effort. The game plan was awful.

However, you can't write off the team or season at this point. That's equally absurd.
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Agree with both of these. The early part of this schedule will be critical though because the SEC isn't going to do us any favors for the tourney.
 
#53
#53
OrangeBalls said:
Hey, didn't you know when you try the same thing over and over and expect different results then you really aren't insane?
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not sure if you are talking about CM running the same sets with the same gameplan that prove to be unsuccessful or me continuing to beg him over and over to push the pace because his players and team play better that way. We don't stand around when we are pushing the pace. We get a little hop to us. We are deep. We gain confidence and rhythm. Guys get in the game flow. What do we do?
Either call a ****ing timeout or run 20 seconds off the shot clock before throwing a stupid pass to the wing that becomes a turnover.
Dammit Im not going to be able to sleep for awhile.
 
#54
#54
Spartacavolus said:
not sure if you are talking about CM running the same sets with the same gameplan that prove to be unsuccessful or me continuing to beg him over and over to push the pace because his players and team play better that way. We don't stand around when we are pushing the pace. We get a little hop to us. We are deep. We gain confidence and rhythm. Guys get in the game flow. What do we do?
Either call a ****ing timeout or run 20 seconds off the shot clock before throwing a stupid pass to the wing that becomes a turnover.
Dammit Im not going to be able to sleep for awhile.
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It's the bolded part. It's mind boggling. Plus the stupid substitution patterns. I'm at a loss for words on that.

You know when you know something isn't going to change but you hold out hope that it will, but you know in your gut that it won't? That's what I saw tonight.

Dammit all to hell.
 
#55
#55
glad I didn't remember to listen/watch the game. And I won't till Martin is gone. gone, gone!
 
#56
#56
Way to many guys played in the game. Stokes and Maymon are lacking when they can't just lower their shoulder. That is something to watch. You could see a lot of offensive fouls on both of them this year. I didn't see anything from any of the freshman. Barton was a little better than I thought. This is a game you want to get, then again,we will see them again and if we take it to them on a neutral floor it cancels itself out. This needs to be a team that pushes the pace a little bit.
 
#57
#57
BOP said:
Way to many guys played in the game. Stokes and Maymon are lacking when they can't just lower their shoulder. That is something to watch. You could see a lot of offensive fouls on both of them this year. I didn't see anything from any of the freshman. Barton was a little better than I thought. This is a game you want to get, then again,we will see them again and if we take it to them on a neutral floor it cancels itself out. This needs to be a team that pushes the pace a little bit.
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Surprisingly I agree with most of that. I'm not too concerned about freshmen not really showing up in their first real college game though. And I thought Thompson was pretty decent all things considered.
 
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#58
#58
Shaun1985 said:
I agree with all points. I don't see Xavier making the tournament though. I also had no issue with us playing this game. We have a seasoned squad on the road against a traditionally good team who we should have beat by at least 15 points tonight. Maymon forced WAY to much and Stokes was wow....horrible. Martin is an idiot for the way he subbed folks in tonight. We needed to win this game and he looked unprepared, clueless and like he didn't even want to be there tonight. Absolutely no passion or fire. I am seriously disappointed in him.
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You don't see Xavier making the tournament, but sounds as if you see us making it? ummmmm
 
#59
#59
Good point on the freshman BOP, they brought nothing....Hubbs, Thompson, Davis and a Ndiaye combined:

36 minutes
2 points
1-9fg
0-3 3pt
0-6 ft
8 rebounds
0 assists
 
#61
#61
jjay2518 said:
Surprisingly I agree with most of that. I'm not too concerned about freshmen not really showing up in their first real college game though. And I thought Thompson was pretty decent all things considered.
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I'm concerned about Martin's recruiting.
 
#62
#62
BOP said:
I'm concerned about Martin's recruiting.
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Fair enough, but judging the freshman in this game is really unfair IMO. This was a tough position for them to be in. Cuonzo didn't help them out.
 
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#63
#63
The silver lining to tonight's game was Barton. He is going to help us. Once he gets in the flow and develops a chemistry with the other players then he should hopefully really take off.

I hope Maymon's problem was rust. He seemed to be pressing. Way too many turnovers.

I thought McRae should've demanded the ball more in the 2nd half. Or Martin should've ran more plays for him. Maymon was the man 2 years ago. McRae was the man last year. Hopefully, there are enough shots to go around and there won't be a chemistry issue there.

I've already addressed Stokes' issues. He is going to cost himself a lot of money with play like tonight.
 
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#65
OrangeBalls said:
It's the bolded part. It's mind boggling. Plus the stupid substitution patterns. I'm at a loss for words on that.

You know when you know something isn't going to change but you hold out hope that it will, but you know in your gut that it won't? That's what I saw tonight.

Dammit all to hell.
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Only hope we have is if he makes wholesale changes in offensive philosophy. Can't believe an asst or friend isn't in his ear about it, or if someone else handles the offense, give another asst a chance because his offense hasn't worked and won't.
 
#66
#66
BOP said:
I'm concerned about Martin's recruiting.
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IMO you gotta give these guys a few games before you can start forming opinions. Sometimes it just takes a freshman a few games to get used to the jump in competition from high school.
 
#67
#67
bleedingTNorange said:
Not the least bit, just said they didn't contribute much at all. If I can only blame the loss on one thing it's the free throw line.
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I won't because Xavier missed 11 themselves. Hell, they practically tried to hand the game to us and we still couldn't steal it. That's as frustrating as Martin's coaching/substitution patterns and our overall play.
 
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#68
#68
KingNick865 said:
There was no off ball movement in this game at all. It was like watching a pickup game in that respect; everyone was just standing around waiting for the ball to come to them without actually working to get the ball in a good position.

We got dominated inside on both ends of the floor as well. Stainbrook was a man on the inside tonight, although now that I look at his stats, he wasn't as dominating as a I thought he was.

I'm not ready to get on the "Fire Cuonzo" bandwagon just yet, but man that game was just a pile of hot garbage to watch. This would be a game that you'd put on for a youth team and tell them, "You see all this. Now, to be successful, do the exact opposite of what the team in orange is doing."

McRae was legit though, probably one of the very few bright spots tonight.
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The lack of off ball movement drove me nuts.

Not to be too cynical but it made me wonder how much planning and effort Cuonzo put into this gameplan. Did he chalk this up as another exhibition? Because it felt like it. Particularly, like zjc mentioned, the substitution. I'm far from an expert, so even the casual observer is left scratching their head.

Ill be honest, I kind of hope they just wanted to play this like another exhibition because at least that would give them some kind of excuse for such poor play.
 
#69
#69
I'm concerned about Maymon's ceiling now. I really hope he's just got a lot of rust to knock off, but I'm worried he's not going to get it back. I know it's just his first game back, but he looked really rough tonight.
 
#70
#70
bleedingTNorange said:
Not the least bit, just said they didn't contribute much at all. If I can only blame the loss on one thing it's the free throw line.
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It plays out for both teams. We got beat doing the same crap we were doing last year, which is standing around on offense and watching one guy go to work.(McRae)

Why Moore did not play more is beyond excusable. He is a glue guy that is all effort and makes everybody around him better.
 
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#71
Spartacavolus said:
Only hope we have is if he makes wholesale changes in offensive philosophy. Can't believe an asst or friend isn't in his ear about it, or if someone else handles the offense, give another asst a chance because his offense hasn't worked and won't.
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I don't see it changing. I really don't. He'll out talent most teams on most nights, but we didn't look like a well prepared team at all tonight. When was the last time you saw Martin make in game adjustments? He's just not there. You'd think he would hire an asst to help him out there, but it seems like they still don't know what to do on offense.
 
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#72
#72
volinreallife said:
It plays out for both teams. We got beat doing the same crap we were doing last year, which is standing around on offense and watching one guy go to work.(McRae)

Why Moore did not play more is beyond excusable. He is a glue guy that is all effort and makes everybody around him better.
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Armani made that huge midcourt strip, got the layup........


and we never saw him again.
 
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