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#26
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Spectator said:
Okay folks, I'm going to say it.

There are better coaches out there than John Gruden.

I really hope TN goes for the right hire.
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Maybe, but Jim Harbaugh isn't coming here.

Don't overthink this.

If you look at college football, there are maybe 3 or 4 teams in the country whose fanbase (or at least the majority of their fanbase) wouldn't be happy if they woke up tomorrow and read that their coach was being replaced with Jon Gruden.

And we might have a chance to hire him? Why on earth would anyone quibble with that? We should be so lucky.

Heck, we could sell commemorative DVDs of the press conference, even.
 
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Jim Tressel
He can coach at a high profile college.
He can recruit.
He wears a Cosby sweater vest.
My only gripe is not with the violations, (because what happened there, happens everywhere. They just got caught) is I am not a fan of the spread.
I would want him over Gruden, or Petrino.
-T-
 
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Eugene Hetalia said:
Jim Tressel
He can coach at a high profile college.
He can recruit.
He wears a Cosby sweater vest.
My only gripe is not with the violations, (because what happened there, happens everywhere. They just got caught) is I am not a fan of the spread.
I would want him over Gruden, or Petrino.
-T-
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Isn't he banned from coaching for a couple more years?
 
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I'm just here to say...

Gruden or Peterson for $5 mil per, producing a 6-6 record the first year, would be better for the university than some "lower name" hire making $3 mil per with a record of 7-5 or even 8-4.

It's time this university was put back into the national spotlight for the right reason. For the sake of recruiting, ticket sales, merchandising, etc, we simply must come up with the "sexy hire."

AV
 
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Spectator said:
Okay folks, I'm going to say it.

There are better coaches out there than John Gruden.

I really hope TN goes for the right hire.
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I have to respectfully disagree. Our program is in need of top level recruits and now. Nobody and I repeat nobody could recruit these players and develop them as well as Gruden. If you think there is anyone better, you are mistaken. Has anyone seen the latest talk by Tony Basillo. If not take a look, it's interesting and pretty much reiterates what I have been hearing. The coach has been hired and its a done deal. I don't know who it is but I believe that the deal has been done and was largely done by the boosters not by Hart! Anyway. Take a look at it
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
1. There may well be better coaches
2. It isn't clear which of those might even be available
3. The best coach is a good thing; the right coach is a better thing
4. UT needs a coach that can and will unite the fan base
5. The wins will follow the RIGHT coach
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Amen. Glad I decided to read a few comments before posting, because I was about to say the same thing, w/out giving credit.

It's not always about getting the best coach; it's about getting the RIGHT coach. Personally, given the fact that both he and his wife have ties to UT, 99.9% of UT fans want him, and EVERY SINGLE high school recruit in the country knows who he is and knows that he knows what it takes to get to the NFL, I don't see anyone being more "right" for this job than John Gruden.

If Gruden is hired, I guarantee a top-10 recruiting class. Avatar bet, anyone?
 
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howie87 said:
I agree... Getting Patterson and Bumpas together would be a better hire, but that could just be me...
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Thats not even close to better. Just from a recruiting standpoint alone. Patterson would be a good 3rd or probably 4th choice but nowhere in the same league as Gruden or Stoops.
 
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Volswin98 said:
He would be one of the few that would fill the stadium for the Orange and White game. I think TN needs that right now.
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bring fulmer back since he should have never been fired anyway !! hire tee martin ,dale jones ,al wilson, and ask the chavis to come back. bring in true vols ! we are all sitting here hoping for what was a bad season under fulmer. but gruden is still the best hire !!
 
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SouthMissVolFan said:
I agree with the OP. Gruden may have a winning record but it really isn't spectacular (not even .550). He won the superbowl with a team that was built by Tony Dungy. Granted he did win the SB, as Dungy's influence left Tampa Bay, so did their winning. Time will tell if he does decide to come to TN, but I'm still not sold that he is the best choice out there
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The shear ignorance displayed when people play the "Gruden won with Dungy's players" card never ceases to amaze me. If he didn't win the Superbowl against the team HE built, it might hold some water.

Also, Gruden built the Raiders into a Superbowl Team despite having to deal with owner Al Davis, which is an accomplishment in itself. How has the Raiders' post-Gruden era turned out? As Gruden's influence left Oakland, so did their winning, and that has never returned.

Also, Tampa gave up their '02 and '03 1st round draft picks and 1 or 2 2nd round draft picks in getting Gruden, so that certainly hurt their ability to build in the near future.

In the NFL, a coach can only be as good as the team the General Manager gives him to coach. In college, I can't see Gruden not building a team capable of winning it all.
 
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deckerkd said:
I have to respectfully disagree. Our program is in need of top level recruits and now. Nobody and I repeat nobody could recruit these players and develop them as well as Gruden. If you think there is anyone better, you are mistaken. Has anyone seen the latest talk by Tony Basillo. If not take a look, it's interesting and pretty much reiterates what I have been hearing. The coach has been hired and its a done deal. I don't know who it is but I believe that the deal has been done and was largely done by the boosters not by Hart! Anyway. Take a look at it
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Yeah, in terms of that caller Tony had yesterday (which is what he is referencing on his blog today), I don't know. I mean, I wanted to believe that guy was legit, but near the end of the call he said that the new coach may not be announced until after bowl games or even until when the NFL season is finished, which would just be patently insane from a recruiting standpoint, so I'm not sure I buy into what he was saying.
 
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oregonvol said:
Yeah, in terms of that caller Tony had yesterday (which is what he is referencing on his blog today), I don't know. I mean, I wanted to believe that guy was legit, but near the end of the call he said that the new coach may not be announced until after bowl games or even until when the NFL season is finished, which would just be patently insane from a recruiting standpoint, so I'm not sure I buy into what he was saying.
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You are right the NFL season isn't over intolerable Feb now and is that not about the same time as signing day? That would be unacceptable. We need to move quickly but calculated also
 
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Bring back coach Fulmer, He should have never been fired anyway !!!. Get some former vols like Tee Martin ,Dale Jones even Randy Sanders but i would keep chaney , conklin if they would stay . Al Wilson would bring some fire ! Get Chavis back if we can ? We also need a great defense coach if Chavis would not come back . I know i will get crap for saying bring fulmer back .but people this is the sec and we or anybody else cant win it all every year ..sometimes you will have a bad season or two . We need recruiters Fulmer can recruit even though he missed on r cobb. but hire the very best recruiting coord. we can get ! 152 -50 . i realize he may have gotten arrogant ,or lazy . but he has put 30+ years of his life for the Vols ! Let him get us stable then name his successor from that group.
 
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Spectator said:
Okay folks, I'm going to say it.

There are better coaches out there than John Gruden.

I really hope TN goes for the right hire.
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I can see what your trying to say but Gruden has to be #1 choice right now. Unless you know someone else that no one has mentioned yet.
 
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Eugene Hetalia said:
Jim Tressel
He can coach at a high profile college.
He can recruit.
He wears a Cosby sweater vest.
My only gripe is not with the violations, (because what happened there, happens everywhere. They just got caught) is I am not a fan of the spread.
I would want him over Gruden, or Petrino.
-T-
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I agree with this.
 
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Kid Deezy said:
Isn't he banned from coaching for a couple more years?
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I think it's just 1. Might actually be worth it to have an interim with next year's schedule.

My original plan was to let Dooley stay 1 more year so we could get Tressel but Dooley screwed it up and lost too many games.
 
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fulmerfan152 said:
Bring back coach Fulmer, He should have never been fired anyway !!!. Get some former vols like Tee Martin ,Dale Jones even Randy Sanders but i would keep chaney , conklin if they would stay . Al Wilson would bring some fire ! Get Chavis back if we can ? We also need a great defense coach if Chavis would not come back . I know i will get crap for saying bring fulmer back .but people this is the sec and we or anybody else cant win it all every year ..sometimes you will have a bad season or two . We need recruiters Fulmer can recruit even though he missed on r cobb. but hire the very best recruiting coord. we can get ! 152 -50 . i realize he may have gotten arrogant ,or lazy . but he has put 30+ years of his life for the Vols ! Let him get us stable then name his successor from that group.
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Fulmer over Gruden. Think about that some more and get back to us.
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
I think it's just 1. Might actually be worth it to have an interim with next year's schedule.

My original plan was to let Dooley stay 1 more year so we could get Tressel but Dooley screwed it up and lost too many games.
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Tressel over Gruden. Think about that some more and get back to us.
 
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There are better coaches out there who are proven and battle tested.

BUT, few if any will have the immediate "rock star" hype Gruden brings. His first 2 recruiting classes would be loaded with big time players. Especially if he puts together a big time group of assistants.

Now things get tricky by year three. What if he is not winning or doing as well as expected? What if there are tons of off field problems?

His salary and by out would likely be through the roof. I don't think we can afford to buy out another staff anytime soon.

I don't know if Gruden is coming or if he is going to pan out. I do think he could get our talent level up and do it in a hurry. I think he is so well connected he will bring key NFL personnel while keeping Graham and maybe adding Tee. This would be a nice mix of coaches to be successful and still have some tradition.

Lets sit back and watch the show. It should be interesting.
 
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How anyone can think Gruden is a good fit for the Ut job is beyond me. The guy has ZERO college head coaching experience. He champions an offense no one has made work in college and got fired from his last NFL gig. He talks a good game and probably could recruit, but I doubt he has the patience to run a college program. Gruden is a NFL guy and should stay there.
 
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YorkVol said:
You may be right, but no one will listen.

I think Gruden could do the job, especially with the right assistants in place. But, there are others who would be as successful and some who would be better.

If Gruden comes, my question is, with the nearly 90,000 posts in the Gruden threads I-IX, what is he going to do when we lose our first game and there are just as many negative posts about him? Will he bolt for a more adoring fanbase?
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It would be funny to watch them point fingers
 
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theutvolunteers said:
Fulmer over Gruden. Think about that some more and get back to us.
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i didnt say fulmer over gruden ! gruden would be awesome for the vol nation !! im only saying it because after gruden i dont like anybody else out there . patterson , golden , etc ! none of them seem like the right fit . i want a UT man somebody who will stay . with that said i liked the dooley hire at first and thought he did some good things .cleaning up the program , some stability. but to get blown out by vandy an lose to ky . but it took majors 6 years to get the vols going in the right direction . but he beat vandy an ky !! just a thought man. i agree gruden is best hire !
 
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dgcarter43 said:
Jon Gruden may be a good fit but he isn't the only one that would bring the Vols back to prominence in the SEC. Getting a Gary Patterson, Chris Petersen, Charlie Strong, Jimbo Fisher, or Bob Stoops would not be a let down since all are proven winners. Ut must get it's financial house in order in athletics to be able to keep a coach that is considered "high profile" and the only way to do that is fill the stands on Saturday and get to BCS bowl games. Any of the aforementioned coaches should be able to do that.
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Patterson would be the best hire, IMO.
 
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