There are better coaches...

#51
#51
ChattanoogaVols said:
The shear ignorance displayed when people play the "Gruden won with Dungy's players" card never ceases to amaze me. If he didn't win the Superbowl against the team HE built, it might hold some water.

Also, Gruden built the Raiders into a Superbowl Team despite having to deal with owner Al Davis, which is an accomplishment in itself. How has the Raiders' post-Gruden era turned out? As Gruden's influence left Oakland, so did their winning, and that has never returned.

Also, Tampa gave up their '02 and '03 1st round draft picks and 1 or 2 2nd round draft picks in getting Gruden, so that certainly hurt their ability to build in the near future.

In the NFL, a coach can only be as good as the team the General Manager gives him to coach. In college, I can't see Gruden not building a team capable of winning it all.
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Agreed. I have argued that point so many times. Its not like college where you recruit players. Your at the mwrcy of the GM and these guys are professionals so the winning with another coach's players is just idiotic. Plus he won the SB with that team that Dungy couldnt do. I mean whers do some of these people come from? They obviousknow nothing about football.
 
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#52
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fulmerfan152 said:
Bring back coach Fulmer, He should have never been fired anyway !!!. Get some former vols like Tee Martin ,Dale Jones even Randy Sanders but i would keep chaney , conklin if they would stay . Al Wilson would bring some fire ! Get Chavis back if we can ? We also need a great defense coach if Chavis would not come back . I know i will get crap for saying bring fulmer back .but people this is the sec and we or anybody else cant win it all every year ..sometimes you will have a bad season or two . We need recruiters Fulmer can recruit even though he missed on r cobb. but hire the very best recruiting coord. we can get ! 152 -50 . i realize he may have gotten arrogant ,or lazy . but he has put 30+ years of his life for the Vols ! Let him get us stable then name his successor from that group.
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Yes he should have been fired 2 out of his last 4 seasons I believe he had a losing record. He obviously struggled without Cut calling plays. They went stale and so did his recruiting. He's the reason Dooley walked into that mess, with a little help from Kiffin but 1 season by Kiffin didnt bury us it was the last few yrs of Fulmer that did.
 
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#54
howie87 said:
I agree... Getting Patterson and Bumpas together would be a better hire, but that could just be me...
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Not just you. Gruden could easily be our Les Miles; great recruiter who can be outcoached on any given Saturday. (With so much unknown about Gruden at the college level, it's one of the possibilities.) And (as someone mentioned elsewhere) unless there's actual success on the field by year 3, "rock star status" is gone.

Patterson/Bumpas would have us back up to a top 3 defense in 2 years; and the recruiting would follow success producing more success. Competitive for years to come.
 
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Eugene Hetalia said:
Jim Tressel
He can coach at a high profile college.
He can recruit.
He wears a Cosby sweater vest.
My only gripe is not with the violations, (because what happened there, happens everywhere. They just got caught) is I am not a fan of the spread.
I would want him over Gruden, or Petrino.
-T-
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I expect Gruden to install a spread type offense.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Over Gruden? Seriously? He has a no show clause and would miss atleast the first 5 games and struggled in games outside of the big 10, especially against SEC teams, who he will play 8-9 games against a yr.
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Hmm a guy who was in the top 3 college coaches year in and year out or a guy who has done absolutely nothing in college and got canned from his last NFL job?

You'll have to get back to me. I really need to think about this one...
 
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KCVolLaw said:
How do you know Gruden will excel in recruiting? Bc he's on TV? A name will only get you so far.
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That is where I am not sure I agree. How does anyone know Gruden will be a home run recruiter? hat happens when he goes 4-8 his 1st year here? 5 star recruits still going to be lining up? Just what kind of relationships has Gruden built with HS coaches? Some people have even said Gruden will not spend alot of time recruiting, that will be left to his staff. My question would then be why pay the man 5+ million if you could hire a guy for 2.5 and still spend the 4 million on a top staff to get the recruiting results? I just don't see the homerun so many seem to see in the guy.
 
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theutvolunteers said:
Why are you skeptical?
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Because he's never been a college head coach and has never had to recruit on this level. He could be a great recruiter, but just because you and your Gruden-loving buddies wish him to be a great recruiter doesn't make it come to fruition.
 
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If you don't think Gruden is a good fit for UT, fine. But can we please stop using "He was fired from his last job" as one of the reasons?

Bill Belichick.
Tom Coughlin
Tony Dungy
Bill Parcells
Jimmy Johnson
Mike Martz

All of these coaches were fired. All of these coaches are darn good coaches.
 
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KCVolLaw said:
Because he's never been a college head coach and has never had to recruit on this level. He could be a great recruiter, but just because you and your Gruden-loving buddies wish him to be a great recruiter doesn't make it come to fruition.
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Heath Shuler and Peyton Manning disagree. Guess you know more about football than them.
 
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ChattanoogaVols said:
If you don't think Gruden is a good fit for UT, fine. But can we please stop using "He was fired from his last job" as one of the reasons?

Bill Belichick.
Tom Coughlin
Tony Dungy
Bill Parcells
Jimmy Johnson
Mike Martz

All of these coaches were fired. All of these coaches are darn good coaches.
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Dooley was fired. Is he a good coach? I didn't see him on your list.
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
I think it's just 1. Might actually be worth it to have an interim with next year's schedule.

My original plan was to let Dooley stay 1 more year so we could get Tressel but Dooley screwed it up and lost too many games.
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I may be wrong, and don't mean to step in out of turn, but I believe I read where Tressell still has 2 years show cause left. And, I believe any penalties he would face at Ohio St would follow him to the nexr school he coaches at. Just food for thought.
 
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KCVolLaw said:
Because he's never been a college head coach and has never had to recruit on this level. He could be a great recruiter, but just because you and your Gruden-loving buddies wish him to be a great recruiter doesn't make it come to fruition.
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Exactly right. It seems likely he'll be able to recruit, but we just don't know. We also don't know if he can out coach other SEC coaches when it comes down to game day. I'm not against him, but those are unknowns.
 
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#74
Here is some percentages of past NFL coaches, I didn't list all
Gruden is probably in the top 35 in winning percentage.
1. Lombardi 74%
2. Madden 73%
3. Allen 68%
5. Halas 67%
9. Dungy 64%
13. Cowher 61%
20. Landry 60%
27. Stram 57%
28. Noll 57%
Gruden 54%
This shows you how hard it is to win in the NFL, and these are all great coaches.

Plus I hear Gruden never had to recruit, GA UT,
SE Missouri St passing game cord.
U of Pacific wide rec Coach
U of Pittsburgh wide rec coach
I'm sure at these schools he had to do some kind of recruiting......

:hi:
 
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I said he never had to recruit as a college head coach. I know he has a very small amount of college experience. I'm sure those recruiting battles at Pacific should come in real handy.
 
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