There will be a reckoning.....count on it.

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volzfanz said:
Cheek can and has affected the athletic program from top to bottom through his influence on the university and academics. Schools that are committed to the highest academics are not committed to athletics and vice versa. UT will have to decide on one or the other and Cheek will be right in the middle of that and thus in danger of losing his job or conforming to something he doesnt believe in. Unless he truly powerful enough to reduce this university's commitment to excellence in athletics. We shall see sooner than later.
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I think we have already seen what the university thinks of football, don't you
 
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volzfanz said:
Given the importance of this hire, and the absolute s**t-storm it became in the national media, someone(s) career has ended. Who we hired isn't as important as how we hired him. Yes, we needed a homerun.....but maybe we can stretch a single into a double. The rumors of being close on Gruden, coupled with the look of desperation when Strong declined is gonna have heads rolling. I know the fanbase is crazy, but we don't deserve another "it could be worse" scenario. I would expect nuclear winter throughout the UT administration and some loyal heavy hitters to replace them.
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Sorry OP, per the posters in Neo's thread on Tee, the national media doesn't give one rat's ass about our coaching search and how STUPID we looked during the process.
 
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TNGlen said:
Sorry OP, per the posters in Neo's thread on Tee, the national media doesn't give one rat's ass about our coaching search and how STUPID we looked during the process.
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No. Best I can tell most of the media is either pleased that a coach with a good record got his shot at a big time program or.... are pretty much disinterested.

They certainly do not believe on the whole that relatively slight differences in academic standards will be the difference.
 
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duuuuuuuuuuuuude said:
Well, volzfanz, aren't you a charming thing? I'll try to respond to you with the civility you didn't deign to show me.

Look, I graduated from the University of Tennessee -- twice. I'm a member of the class of '99 and saw Peyton play live and in person, and was there when the Vols won the national championship. Watching the Vols play -- not just football, but baseball, and men's and women's basketball -- was a major part of my college experience. I think athletics are an integral part of the University. I'm posting on a football message board, for God's sake, so I think it's safe to say that I'm not anti-athletics.

But when people start saying -- as you have -- that the Chancellor of the University ought to be fired because you don't like our new head coach, well, that's ridiculous. You're talking about the person who's responsible for UTK's eleven colleges, and the 28,000 students who are enrolled in them, and the thousands of faculty and staff who make the whole thing go. Our university system faces challenges that are more severe than it's ever faced: Over the last half-dozen years, our state legislature has cut tens of millions of dollars from the university's budget. The percentage of our state's population that has a college degree is significantly below the national average. Those are the things that I want my Chancellor to spend his time addressing, and his ability to tackle those issues are the reasons he ought to be hired, fired or retained.

So for you to suggest that the athletic side of the house ought to have the power to up-end all that, and fire the man with those responsibilities, is insane. It's the tail wagging the dog. You talk about the financial impact of football on the university -- but what about the financial impact of education on the state? I must have missed it when Boeing and BMW and Michelin said they were locating in South Carolina because of the Gamecocks. Yeah, football is awesome and contributes to the university, but don't ever confuse it with real life.

It's just not true that you can't have strong academics and successful athletics -- I listed a bunch of programs, public and private, that have done just that. Now if you want to have a reasonable discussion about where that line ought to be drawn, that's cool, and maybe I'll participate. But that's a different animal than saying that there ought to be "nuclear winter throughout the UT administration" because you don't like Butch Jones.

Now, you can respond to that like a decent human being, or you can continue name-calling. I know which one my money's on.
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While I agree with much of what you say, beside his athletic meddling Cheek is a dick of enormous proportion on the academic side also. I have written several letters and asked several questions of him since he has been in "power" and never got a response from him or his office once. This is before I ever knew there was a forum called VolNation. Cheek needs to be gone yesterday from both an academic AND athletic standpoint.
 
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Oh, btw.... I have seen alot more from the national media about the tantrum thrown by many UT fans than I have about the process or selection.
 
#157
#157
photovol said:
This is true, the University of Tennessee obviously cares very little about it's Football Program for the last 7-8 years....it is what it is....fans are the only ones who care
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Neyland Stadium Renovations - $200 million

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Football Training Center - $45 million

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Thornton Center - $A bunch

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Neyland-Thompson renovations - $A bunch






If this is what "caring very little" looks like, I wish I could get the University to stop caring about me for a while.
 
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pimo1 said:
wait so you are saying UT is not an Academic school? Do you realize how silly that makes you look?

Raising academic standards sucks on the football side but is the main focus of the UNIVERSITY. Maybe if they had raised standards years ago our fanbase would not consist of so many mouth breathers.
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I wish our former coach had higher mathematical skills, like say counting to 11.
 
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TNGlen said:
While I agree with much of what you say, beside his athletic meddling Cheek is a dick of enormous proportion on the academic side also. I have written several letters and asked several questions of him since he has been in "power" and never got a response from him or his office once. This is before I ever knew there was a forum called VolNation. Cheek needs to be gone yesterday from both an academic AND athletic standpoint.
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To be clear, I'm not defending Cheek per se. Just saying that the football team's W-L record isn't the ultimate measure of his job success.
 
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duuuuuuuuuuuuude said:
stadium-night.jpg

Neyland Stadium Renovations - $200 million

ftc-sidebar.jpg

Football Training Center - $45 million

thornton9.jpg

Thornton Center - $A bunch

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Neyland-Thompson renovations - $A bunch






If this is what "caring very little" looks like, I wish I could get the University to stop caring about me for a while.
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And we are no longer in the bottom few in the conference in terms of what we pay our coaching staff. Curious as to where we fall now...3rd or 4th?
 
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Bluetic said:
And we are no longer in the bottom few in the conference in terms of what we pay our coaching staff. Curious as to where we fall now...3rd or 4th?
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Well, this should be some indication. Looks like we slot in the top 15 in the country for head coach. Dunno about total staff salaries, though.
 
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duuuuuuuuuuuuude said:
Well, this should be some indication. Looks like we slot in the top 15 in the country for head coach. Dunno about total staff salaries, though.
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Just found that through google, and if CBJ is getting over 3 a year, he's in the top 3 or 4 in the SEC! Not to mention UT is paying 11mil just to get out of Dools and his guys(Over 100k/mo until 12/16 just for Dooley!). Bottom line is that the committment to the program- financially at least- is enormous. GBO!
 
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volzfanz said:
Given the importance of this hire, and the absolute s**t-storm it became in the national media, someone(s) career has ended. Who we hired isn't as important as how we hired him. Yes, we needed a homerun.....but maybe we can stretch a single into a double.
Blah, Blah, Blah, I love Jon Gruden, he has a cute but, blah, blah, blah.
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Take down all the Gruden posters from your bed room (particularly the Fathead of him in the puffy shirt unbuttoned to the navel) and quit tryin to stretch your single into a double. That Extenze crap probably won't work either.
 
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philberry31 said:
Take down all the Gruden posters from your bed room (particularly the Fathead of him in the puffy shirt unbuttoned to the navel) and quit tryin to stretch your single into a double. That Extenze crap probably won't work either.
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Did u take your meds today? No one will ever have a real discussion with you until you do.
 
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volzfanz said:
If you don't think that putting higher academic standards on our students affects our ability to compete then you are wrong sir. We are a state school that plays big time football for millions of dollars every year. We are not an academic school. Not to belittle academics at all, but Harvard we are not.
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I think I could prove there are more Idiots comming out of Harvard than the University of Tennessee.
 
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duuuuuuuuuuuuude said:
If you genuinely think that the University of Tennessee Board of Trustees is going to fire the Chancellor because the Athletics Director hired a football coach that some of the fans find somewhat underwhelming...

well...

you're wrong.
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If you genuinely don't believe that there's sincere concern by several members of the BOT...

You're wrong...
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duuuuuuuuuuuuude said:
I don't know if you're aware of this, but the University does not exist for the purpose of fielding a football team. It exists to provide an education to the citizens of the State of Tennessee. That so many on this board have apparently chosen to forego that opportunity is as sad as it is obvious.
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At first I thought your avi was kinda funny, but now after reading some of your postings I realize that is probably a real picture of you.

Don't be a hypocrite. The University of Tennessee at Knoxville would not exist in anything close to its current form if not for football revenue. The fact is that the University is supported by the football program not the other way around. Do you see all that construction? That is football money at work.
 
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philberry31 said:
At first I thought your avi was kinda funny, but now after reading some of your postings I realize that is probably a real picture of you.

Don't be a hypocrite. The University of Tennessee at Knoxville would not exist in anything close to its current form if not for football revenue. The fact is that the University is supported by the football program not the other way around. Do you see all that construction? That is football money at work.
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I posted this on page three of this thread. I know it's easy to make broad statements and call people dumb, but when we're talking about dollars, a basic grasp of math sometimes helps, too.

duuuuuuuuuuuuude said:
As you stated, that $120M revenue is gross, not net. The numbers I've seen say that the operating net in 2012 was something like $52M -- still not chump change, to be sure. As you pointed out, though, the facilities capital improvements had to be paid out of that, meaning that football program cost money rather than making money in 2012. And even though the team's poor performance certainly cost the university money, the biggest factor that put the football program in the red was paying for capital improvements -- the renovations to Neyland Stadium alone will cost $200M before it's all said and done, if you believe the KN-S, and that doesn't touch the tens (if not hundreds) of millions of dollars the University has spent on other athletic facilities. I assume (I'm too lazy to dig it up, but will happily be shown otherwise) that this wasn't financed out of cash, so the University will be making those colossal capital payments for probably 15 years. That means it will be a long time before the program makes money again.

But it's worth pointing out, too, the scope of the income UT football produces. The widely-cited $6M a year is a bunch of money, no doubt. But the University's budget this year is $1.93B. That means that that $6M comprised 0.3% of the University's annual budget. To say that the university would fold without football money just doesn't hold up. (And yes, I agree that I've oversimplified the contribution of athletics to the University. But people need to understand what they're saying when they say that football "carries the University.")
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