There will be a reckoning.....count on it.

[Tenn Ted]

I feel today all of my 35 yrs of memories Of Tenn Football has been tarnished. I was in the streets of New Orleans in 85 I was there when Bo said no more . Sat in the pouring rain just to scream for the vols never left a game early no matter the score. But on this day I must part and move on . I hope Jones does a great job but I will no longer support a school that will not put some effort in hiring a coach . I have bled orange since my first game in 77 vs Duke but I have nothing left . I was upset with the Dooley hire but I got over it and supported him till the end ,it was time for him to go . Good bye Vols and Volnation I will miss you !!

CYA! Mind the screen door, on the way out. Any other Nega-Vols want to join him, go ahead. It won't hurt my feelings at all. :salute:

 

[VolPhin865]

Given the importance of this hire, and the absolute s**t-storm it became in the national media, someone(s) career has ended. Who we hired isn't as important as how we hired him. Yes, we needed a homerun.....but maybe we can stretch a single into a double. The rumors of being close on Gruden, coupled with the look of desperation when Strong declined is gonna have heads rolling. I know the fanbase is crazy, but we don't deserve another "it could be worse" scenario. I would expect nuclear winter throughout the UT administration and some loyal heavy hitters to replace them.

for crying out loud...shut up

 

[SolidRockGolf]

Given the importance of this hire, and the absolute s**t-storm it became in the national media, someone(s) career has ended. Who we hired isn't as important as how we hired him. Yes, we needed a homerun.....but maybe we can stretch a single into a double. The rumors of being close on Gruden, coupled with the look of desperation when Strong declined is gonna have heads rolling. I know the fanbase is crazy, but we don't deserve another "it could be worse" scenario. I would expect nuclear winter throughout the UT administration and some loyal heavy hitters to replace them.

Its not as big of a situation or as bad as you think it is. I know its big in Knoxville and Tennessee but you act like someone committed a murder and people around the world are protesting. If CBJ wins games then its a success.

 

[governmentmule]

i don't get all the storms and embarrassments from the media crap,we got turned down by 2 coaches and the one who shall not be named,because i think there was no interest on his side, it happens all the time,Majors and Fulmer spoiled us by hanging in there for so long, add to that 2 bad disappointments and people are going crazy,lets see coach Jones play a game or 2 first

 

[LMU-Law UT-Love]

We'll Hoover around .500 winning % until he either leaves or is bought out.

I'm tired of aspiring that my Vols be average


Maybe there's something I don't see.

Just because people are genuinely upset with the direction the program has taken doesn't make them any less of a fan than you. People maintain a right to have an opinion. Just as you can you inherently disagree with it.


I have nothing against CBJ, I just think there's a real possibility that he's in over his head. He has to recruit, something that I'm unsure he can effectively do. This is big business, and you don't always get what you pay for.... I for one am not ready for an $18 M lemon 😐

 

[Unimane]

LOL so now you wanna equate accepting a new coach and wanting the best to getting raped? WTF kind of person are you son? You need help you 12 yr old mouth breather. Jeebus kid, I bet you want the world to end on Dec 21 too. How about this, go be a Vandy fan and leave this to the people who can be rational.

I can always tell who the suckers are when they tell you to root for another team. Dead giveaway of a mindless follower.

 

[Minibull]

I can always tell who the suckers are when they tell you to root for another team. Dead giveaway of a mindless follower.

You equate the hiring of a nationally very well thought of coach at UT with being physically raped and you call people who disagree with you 'mindless'?

Hey Chris Fowler, I found one of the UT trailer trash guys you were looking for....

hmy:

 

[patrick]

didn't coach Jones say 4 conference titles out of 6 years as a head coach? sounds good to me,hopefully the SEC learning curve won't get away from him,i think he will be a solid coach

A "solid" coach is not good enough for the SEC nor UT.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Given the importance of this hire, and the absolute s**t-storm it became in the national media, someone(s) career has ended. Who we hired isn't as important as how we hired him. Yes, we needed a homerun.....but maybe we can stretch a single into a double. The rumors of being close on Gruden, coupled with the look of desperation when Strong declined is gonna have heads rolling. I know the fanbase is crazy, but we don't deserve another "it could be worse" scenario. I would expect nuclear winter throughout the UT administration and some loyal heavy hitters to replace them.

Keyword....RUMORS. Which the reality is, looks like were extremely exaggerated. And you know who's to blame for the Gruden crapstorm? We are, for buying into a bunch of hearsay.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

What world do you live in where Butch Jones is taking down Florida, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Auburn and others? Was it his loss to Toledo? Was it his inability to take a loaded team from Brian Kelly in the worst BCS conference and not make a decent bowl game, much less a BCS game?

And, the people laughing at the OP won't be when the spitting in the face of the money people comes home to roost. People have no idea how badly the duo of Cheek and Hart hurt this program financially yesterday. People pull the "true fan" crap and chastise anyone who doesn't get in line, all the while giving the people who are truly hurting this program a pass.

Who do you want them to get? Gruden was a pipe dream; it's pretty obvious there was NEVER any true intentions of it happening. If Gruden really wanted to be the coach of UT, he would be. We were fed a bunch of fantasy for weeks.

 

[joevol33]

I'm really shocked at the folk's who are still crying about hart doing something wrong, when Gruden himself said there was no interest in the job. hello!! his agent said you all were in a fantasy land! I wanted Gruden, but I'll take a coach who want's to be here and has won in his conference's. You all took some troll's word's as the pure gospel. I read every page, everyday, and all these "soon", and "done" post were nothing but rumor's, and when they didn't come to pass the same yahoo who lied to you the first time come's back and say's oh hart blew it?? Never, not one time did one single "OG" or anyone else have anything to post as proof, all it was the whole time was what they wanted. I hate seeing them lose, but I'm not gonna say i'm done, I agree with someone else on here, you want to leave? Plenty of room on the vandy bandwagon. Oh for the "rumor" believer's sit down, we didn't blow up our own building's and yes, elvis is dead!:cray:

 

[InVOLuntary]

When UT decides to get in the big boy football business they will be successful again and not before hand. Until they fix the academic issues and hire a big time coach, they will continue to flounder in the middle of the SECE.

 

[volzfanz]

My biggest concern with CBJ is that he hasnt had to take over a program in the tank yet. His previous HC jobs were inherited from Brian Kelly who rebuilt both programs. Jones inherited both in their best years of existence. And Central Michigan came with an extra bonus from Kelly. He recruited Dan Lefevour who turned out to be arguably the best player in FCS history and, according to ESPN's stats, one of the top 15 players to ever play college football.
If our big 3 players leave, and patterson surely will, then CBJ will not inherit anything like he's accustom to. I hope he was smart, not lucky, in choosing his former jobs. He has pushed all the right buttons so far, so maybe he will continue. The last thing we need is another HC who is in awe of this place and the SEC and gets in over his head. Personally, I think he is gonna need alot of luck, but he's always had alot so maybe he will be able to get things headed in the right direction. Most would rather be lucky than good anyway.

 

[Bluetic]

Any time part of the gripe against the administration is "...we are not an academic school", there needs to be a reassessment. It seems likley to me that Hart and Cheek did their jobs...and in the end Gruden was not viewed as the best option by consensus. Probably a consensus of admin officials and "boosters", a call like this is seldom made by a few guys in a vacum but always includes a "cya" policy such as frequent counsel with the so called "heavy hitters". As soon as a tipping point occured within this informal selection committee, Gruden was out and the search continued. It does seem like the process was completely screwed up by something...Gruden or his agent or even this informal committee. There are simply more variables involved than we could possibl know. In the end, I think we got a fine coach and I hope he can make us forget about Gruden (as much as I wanted him here) in the same way coach Kelley helped ND eventually move on. GBO!

 

[InVOLuntary]

Any time part of the gripe against the administration is "...we are not an academic school", there needs to be a reassessment. It seems likley to me that Hart and Cheek did their jobs...and in the end Gruden was not viewed as the best option by consensus. Probably a consensus of admin officials and "boosters", a call like this is seldom made by a few guys in a vacum but always includes a "cya" policy such as frequent counsel with the so called "heavy hitters". As soon as a tipping point occured within this informal selection committee, Gruden was out and the search continued. It does seem like the process was completely screwed up by something...Gruden or his agent or even this informal committee. There are simply more variables involved than we could possibl know. In the end, I think we got a fine coach and I hope he can make us forget about Gruden (as much as I wanted him here) in the same way coach Kelley helped ND eventually move on. GBO!

Good post Bluetic. If anyone wants to look back on my post I wanted Gruden here as much as anyone. I always had my doubts and depending on which day it was, I was more optimistic than others. That being said, I was not as disappointed about not getting Gruden as I was about unwillingness of the UTAD to attempt to make a big time hire. Any big time hire. I don't think Hart ever wanted Gruden. Hubbs even reported that Gruden wasn't number one on Harts list. So let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say Hart did try and get Gruden and Gruden wasn't interested. Were there not other big name coaches that would have listened? Really, we go from Gruden to Strong to Jones?

I think it is blatantly obvious that the UTAD is not concerned about winning championships but having a coach that will win 8-9 games a year and get into a mid-level bowl. Just enough success to put a few more butts in the seats and turning a marginal profit.

 

[tennfever]

Wheres Houdini when u need him.Make somethings disappear

 

[pimo1]

If you don't think that putting higher academic standards on our students affects our ability to compete then you are wrong sir. We are a state school that plays big time football for millions of dollars every year. We are not an academic school. Not to belittle academics at all, but Harvard we are not.

wait so you are saying UT is not an Academic school? Do you realize how silly that makes you look?

Raising academic standards sucks on the football side but is the main focus of the UNIVERSITY. Maybe if they had raised standards years ago our fanbase would not consist of so many mouth breathers.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Doomsday Prepper?

Ah, don't worry about it. Everyone knows the world comes to an end in about 10 days. Relax and have another drink.

 

[volzfanz]

wait so you are saying UT is not an Academic school? Do you realize how silly that makes you look?

Raising academic standards sucks on the football side but is the main focus of the UNIVERSITY. Maybe if they had raised standards years ago our fanbase would not consist of so many mouth breathers.

Very eloquently put. Mouth breather, ok. First of all, your about a week late on this conversation, and Im guessing you didnt read the entire thread. It is long so I cant blame you. Let me explain..... again. Higher academic standards on STUDENT ATHLETES only affects our ability to compete with schools who are smart enough to know that this hurts recruiting. Also, given the total number of students at UT, I fail to see how the stiffer criteria placed on student athletes has any real effect on UTs academic status or reputation. I couldnt care less about the acceptance level for typical students. They can be as high as you like, but for athletes, it should be noted that we are 1 of 7 universities that differ in the entry standards for student athletes but you probably knew that already. Thats about all I care to explain to you. For future reference, you should really be more courteous to people with first conversations. There are links posted if you care to investigate this matter on your own. FWIW, yours was likely the least intelligent comment made on this topic, so I understand why you are in favor of higher academics......you should be.

 

[volzfanz]

Any time part of the gripe against the administration is "...we are not an academic school", there needs to be a reassessment. It seems likley to me that Hart and Cheek did their jobs...and in the end Gruden was not viewed as the best option by consensus. Probably a consensus of admin officials and "boosters", a call like this is seldom made by a few guys in a vacum but always includes a "cya" policy such as frequent counsel with the so called "heavy hitters". As soon as a tipping point occured within this informal selection committee, Gruden was out and the search continued. It does seem like the process was completely screwed up by something...Gruden or his agent or even this informal committee. There are simply more variables involved than we could possibl know. In the end, I think we got a fine coach and I hope he can make us forget about Gruden (as much as I wanted him here) in the same way coach Kelley helped ND eventually move on. GBO!

Just for the record, I know that UT is a "university" and, by definition, is an academic institution. But, I dont think UT is viewed as a top tier academic school. I believe a degree from vanderbilt or standford or a dozen other universities would carry more weight in the job market. So, why should UT hold student athletes to a standard above nearly every other school in the country? If you cant see how that would make it difficult to field a good team, or hire a top tier coach with a good staff then I cant explain it to you. This conversation is not about the "typical" student or the entire university. This only concerns a very small number of student athletes, most of which are football players. It is widely known that college football players, as a group, are not generally the top scholars anyway. Cheek and Hart should consider reviewing the changes brought about by the incident with linda myers because it hurts the football program without helping the total academic status in the least. Why implement a protocol that has no real benefit at all?

 

[duuuuuuuuuuuuude]

Just for the record, I know that UT is a "university" and, by definition, is an academic institution. But, I dont think UT is viewed as a top tier academic school. I believe a degree from vanderbilt or standford or a dozen other universities would carry more weight in the job market. So, why should UT hold student athletes to a standard above nearly every other school in the country? If you cant see how that would make it difficult to field a good team, or hire a top tier coach with a good staff then I cant explain it to you. This conversation is not about the "typical" student or the entire university. This only concerns a very small number of student athletes, most of which are football players. It is widely known that college football players, as a group, are not generally the top scholars anyway. Cheek and Hart should consider reviewing the changes brought about by the incident with linda myers because it hurts the football program without helping the total academic status in the least. Why implement a protocol that has no real benefit at all?

This is an utterly reasonable position to take, and I'm glad to see that you've arrived at it, albeit 10 pages into your thread. Saying that Cheek and Hart maybe ought to review their academic policies is not the same thing as saying that everyone in the administration ought to be fired. Congrats on rejoining the land of the sane.

 

[BandVOL]

I am just amazed how people belittle other members and Congratulate them on ridiculous things and telling then to go cheer for Bama and Vandy and get the @# Off
It's just so 6th grade
What happened to manners at UT?
My bet..the people who act that way here are not alums

 

[duuuuuuuuuuuuude]

I am just amazed how people belittle other members and Congratulate them on ridiculous things and telling then to go cheer for Bama and Vandy and get the @# Off
It's just so 6th grade
What happened to manners at UT?
My bet..the people who act that way here are not alums

I guess you're calling me ill-mannered for treating poor widdle volzfanz so wough. So I'll just leave this here without comment:

You selfrighteous arrogant mother-fu**er. Thats exactly the kind of s**t that comes from ignorant people like you who think that your ideals and virtues are far superior to anyone else.

 

[BandVOL]

OH YEAH For the record..We give athletes a TON of help academically We have dumbed down about 6 majors(look at the percentage of players majors announced majors)
We provide free tutoring and every other thing free(in my class at UT the basketball players and Football players cheated and it was OBVIOUSLY overlooked)


At some point even football players need to be able to support themselves in this world where less than 2% go on to the NFL

 

[photovol]

If you genuinely think that the University of Tennessee Board of Trustees is going to fire the Chancellor because the Athletics Director hired a football coach that some of the fans find somewhat underwhelming...

well...

you're wrong.

This is true, the University of Tennessee obviously cares very little about it's Football Program for the last 7-8 years....it is what it is....fans are the only ones who care