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UT97Vol said:
I do buy into the premise that there is an anti-Tennessee bias across national media. I watched the 96 Citrus Bowl last night. I had never seen it because my soaked ass was at that monsoon and Brent Musberger was practically cheering for Ohio State while calling the game. So this has been long time and persistent issue. Oh and we had absolutely no chance of beating the vaunted and storied Buckeyes with Heisman Trophy winning Eddie George. Just like no one is giving us even a snowballs chance to win this one this year.

While I agree with you that neither Hooker nor Sampson had Heistman seasons both had seasons worthy of being finalists yet there was not enough media votes for them and there was a clear lack of national attention for both (which contributes to that problem) and ifs been that way as long as I can remember. I just dont understand why it is but people do strongly dislike us. And there is clear bias against us. Maybe it’s just this color orange people don’t like?? I really don’t get why it is this way. But it’s not a figment of our imaginations.
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I agree but I think it is exaggerated and not true with everyone. On3 and Josh Pate, for example, speak highly of Tennessee. Saban (yes I said it) and McAfee general talk well of Tennessee. I think Herbstreit has at times as well. In the 1980s and 1990s, there was a general disrespect of the SEC in general and I think that was the origin of the SEC chant.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I agree but I think it is exaggerated and not true with everyone. On3 and Josh Pate, for example, speak highly of Tennessee. Saban (yes I said it) and McAfee general talk well of Tennessee. I think Herbstreit has at times as well. In the 1980d and 1990s, there was a general disrespect of the SEC in general and I think that was the origin of the SEC chant.
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Yeah. I think things have improved a little. But that said we had several people that still had us outside of the AP Top 10 even before the UGA loss. Which is kind of absurd.
 
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UT97Vol said:
Yeah. I think things have improved a little. But that said we had several people that still had us outside of the AP Top 10 even before the UGA loss. Which is kind of absurd.
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SEC vs media turned the corner in 2006 IMO. 2006 when Florida whipped up Ohio State started the SEC is the strongest league narrative. Now there was tons of arguments even pre-2006 that suggested that and SEC fans had been chanting that for a while. However, 2006 and on, they went on a run that really hasn't slowed down a lot.

I do think NIL is starting to give the B1G more of a chance against the SEC. SEC had three major key items that put them ahead of CFB really starting in the 1990s, the unique CBS Contract, strong coaching, and the fact that most of the SEC states host the best talent.
 
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Mccage said:
So you’re saying the Mountain West is equal to the SEC? Speaking of narratives You seem to always find ways to find fault with anything Tennessee. So who’s your team?
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Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying. Excellent analysis there, your reading comprehension is exquisite.

Say, I have a question, this is completely random. Can you explain to me how in 24 games of JUCO ball, Cam Skattebo had 2287 yards from scrimmage and 17 total touchdowns, but then he moved up to FBS ball in a Power 4 conference and put up 3143 yards from scrimmage and 32 total touchdowns in 24 games? I was told that stats are always like a thousand yards higher at lower levels.
 
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As for the Heisman, keep in mind some of the solid, classy individuals that they have awarded it to in the past like the following:

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volbound1700 said:
Florida beat Miami and Auburn beat Florida. Auburn had same record. Notice Auburn only lost to #3 team and played the #5, #7, #4, #19, #17, and #8 team. Miami lost to Florida 28-3, and played only 3 ranked teams. Auburn SHOULD be the National Champion.

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You’d have to look at postseason rankings to see how good the schedule really was
 
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volbound1700 said:
As for the Heisman, keep in mind some of the solid, classy individuals that they have awarded it to in the past like the following:

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Well OJ absolutely deserved the Heisman and no one knew he was going to kill his ex wife and a waiter in 25 years.
 
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UT97Vol said:
I do buy into the premise that there is an anti-Tennessee bias across national media. I watched the 96 Citrus Bowl last night. I had never seen it because my soaked ass was at that monsoon and Brent Musberger was practically cheering for Ohio State while calling the game. So this has been long time and persistent issue. Oh and we had absolutely no chance of beating the vaunted and storied Buckeyes with Heisman Trophy winning Eddie George. Just like no one is giving us even a snowballs chance to win this one this year.

While I agree with you that neither Hooker nor Sampson had Heistman seasons both had seasons worthy of being finalists yet there was not enough media votes for them and there was a clear lack of national attention for both (which contributes to that problem) and ifs been that way as long as I can remember. I just dont understand why it is but people do strongly dislike us. And there is clear bias against us. Maybe it’s just this color orange people don’t like?? I really don’t get why it is this way. But it’s not a figment of our imaginations.
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Most heistman winners don’t have heistman seasons. They just happen to be the standout scorer on a top ranked team. That’s why we call it the Heistman. They rarely pick the most impressive or best player in all of college football.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
I am of the opinion that we as a fanbase feed the flames of hate by continuing to moan and groan when this stuff happens. I don't follow awards often, mainly because I was in this camp in the 90s when Peyton was snubbed. I quit investing any energy in CFB awards then. I know who is important to the team's success without some arbitrary trophy ceremony. The only trophy I care about is the CFPNC game trophy.

Did DSamp get snubbed? Absolutely he did. Is it a knock towards him or UT? Probably. I love DSamp but Jeanty is a ridiculous RB that we will see on Sundays for the next few years. Jeanty leads the FBS in rushing yards (2,497), rushing touchdowns (29), and carries (344) this season. He's also eclipsed 200 yards rushing six times so far this fall, tied for the most in the FBS in at least 25 years. So did it really matter when he wasn't winning it anyway? Not to me.

Similarly, I am also in the camp, possibly even by myself, that Heup brings more penalties onto himself and his team by cussing out officials and throwing temper tantrums on the sidelines. Its human nature to become biased and retaliate when someone insults you constantly. Personally I wish he would stop, but nobody asked me.

I do know that basic psychology suggests that when someone says something mean about you that gets under your skin, it provides an avenue to push your buttons more. This bullying is an age old problem in grade school, but is also a reality of everyday adult life.

Take marriage for example. If I want my wife's attention when I'm talking to her about something important but she is steady ignoring me, I can simply say that maybe my girlfriend will want to hear more about my problem. Then I will have her full, undivided attention. I will be in the doghouse (my garage), but hell, at least its quiet in there and I can eat snacks and watch what I want on TV.
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...and we thank you, Dr. Freud, from the bottom of your couch. Geez. 🥸
 
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dieseldaddy said:
I personally think the 95 Nebraska team is the greatest team i can recall. Tommie Frazier was impossible to stop. The only team to go 12 -0 and beat everyone on their schedule by more than 14 points.
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We were at that Orange Bowl where the Huskers destroyed a loaded Tennessee team. Nebraska was clearly the best college football team I'd seen in person, & I went to my first game in Neyland in 1964.:cool:
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying. Excellent analysis there, your reading comprehension is exquisite.

Say, I have a question, this is completely random. Can you explain to me how in 24 games of JUCO ball, Cam Skattebo had 2287 yards from scrimmage and 17 total touchdowns, but then he moved up to FBS ball in a Power 4 conference and put up 3143 yards from scrimmage and 32 total touchdowns in 24 games? I was told that stats are always like a thousand yards higher at lower levels.
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Thank you for the kind remarks. Looks like my slide rule engineering degree has finally paid off. To answer your question….Excuse me while I get my slide rule out……. Looks like there’s 17 possible reasons but the number one reason he was playing against s**** defenses which the Big 12 are famous for.
 
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Mccage said:
Thank you for the kind remarks. Looks like my slide rule engineering degree has finally paid off. To answer your question….Excuse me while I get my slide rule out……. Looks like there’s 17 possible reasons but the number one reason he was playing against s**** defenses which the Big 12 are famous for.
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Are those defenses shittier than junior college defenses?
 
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BJWeeks said:
If Sampson had the same stats and was playing for Alabama then he would win the Heisman
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I don’t think so. There were a couple of guys who had more yards and played for highly ranked teams. I think all of us wanted Sampson to win everything but he didn’t.
 
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The heistman will be awarded to Travis Hunter-------I'm not gonna eat a cat turd if it doesn't happen, but the media is all but giving it to him before the award show.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Hooker - got hurt, last action was in a blowout loss that knocked us out of contention

Sampson - objectively had a great year but not the greatest in college football or even at his position.


I don’t buy in to the “Everyone hates us and the world is out to get us” narrative that so many here cling to like it’s necessary for their survival. However, we are the all time leader in wins for any program without a Heisman, and we also have the most 2nd place finishes. Those second place finishes were to the only winner to never play pro sports, the only winner from a losing team, a guy who opted for the NBA over the NFL, and the only primarily defensive player to ever win it. It is odd, to say the least.
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It's just bad luck. I get not inviting an injured guy but he was leading in the Heisman after the 10th game wasn't he? He wasn't bad against SC and the only other game to pad stats was Vandy.

Also RBs aren't going to get as much love and it's unfortunate he has done what he has in the same season as a guy putting up video game numbers. Getting left off the Doak Walker award was tbe actual crime.
 
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I just saw tbe headline that says "SEC fails to finish in top 10 in Heisman".

How the frak does the AP offensive player of the year in the SEC not finish in the top 10?
 
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