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I'd like to see Indiana get beat up every week playing against SEC teams and still play well EVERY week.

Would be great to see what their record would be if they played our schedule. We're 8-2 and to some we suck.
 
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JohnWardForever said:
Cignetti won big at JMAD, took a good many JMAD players with him, and now has Indiana at a level they never dreamed of. He will be National Coach of the year. Indiana didn't want to lose him to the likes of Okla, Usc, Lsu, Fsu, ect. To accomplish what He has is nothing short of amazing. The Hoosiers play well EVERY week, even with the backup QB. (Tayven Jackson) "I win football games". Yes he does.
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What would Indiana's record be if they had say..........Florida's schedule..........or Oklahoma's..........or Auburn's........or Vandy's?
 
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JohnWardForever said:
Yeah well VANDY lost to 2-8 Ga St. Who lost 38-7 vs JMAD's Replacements. My point with Indy is Consistency. Same team every week. Superb coaching.
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And beat some teams with a pulse. Winning against the IU schedule is just consistently average. At this point it's 3rd place in the sack race at a family reunion
 
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utvolpj said:
And beat some teams with a pulse. Winning against the IU schedule is just consistently average. At this point it's 3rd place in the sack race at a family reunion
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Well we'll see, won't we? I had no idea giving props to the Coach of the Year would meet with such resistance. Especially following the Athens debacle.
 
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I ask people that say Indiana is undeserving, what do you think Ole Miss would do against their schedule? Alabama? Tennessee? At best, they'd do about as well, and Ole Miss lost to Ky in their first SEC game. The question is, when you look at Indiana's schedule and their results, there is not anything that is inconsistent with them being elite.
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
I ask people that say Indiana is undeserving, what do you think Ole Miss would do against their schedule? Alabama? Tennessee? At best, they'd do about as well, and Ole Miss lost to Ky in their first SEC game. The question is, when you look at Indiana's schedule and their results, there is not anything that is inconsistent with them being elite.
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I don't see how you call a team elite when they've only beaten one p5 team that's over .500 (and that was 6-5 Washington). They've only played 2 of the top 10 teams in their conf. I honestly didn't realize how weak it was until I looked it up
 
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Expectations are now "playoffs or bust" for a program like TN. That won't happen every year, so the question becomes - how often should TN make the playoff? I'd love to know Danny's idea on this but he'd never answer directly.
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
I ask people that say Indiana is undeserving, what do you think Ole Miss would do against their schedule? Alabama? Tennessee? At best, they'd do about as well, and Ole Miss lost to Ky in their first SEC game. The question is, when you look at Indiana's schedule and their results, there is not anything that is inconsistent with them being elite.
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To date IU has played 1 team (Washington at 6-5) with a winning record. Washington's last game is at Oregon which I'm guessing UW loses. That means OSU will be the only team Indiana will play all season that has more wins than losses.

That is not an elite schedule. It is not even an average schedule
 
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Boca Vol said:
I don't agree with giving a coach a huge raise & extension after a good year. It backfires more often than not.
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The way coaching contract buyouts are structured, if you won't give your successful coach an extension someone else will hire them away with a big raise and extension.

Schools have the choice:
pay your successful coach with very favorable buyout terms and lots of money
OR
search for another successful coach, who'll want lots of money and a favorable contract
OR
roll the dice like UT did with Heupel and Auburn did with Harsin..... and hope.

It's fine not to like paying for talent in your business, but business will suffer because others will pay your talent to jump. That applies to players and coaches.
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
I ask people that say Indiana is undeserving, what do you think Ole Miss would do against their schedule? Alabama? Tennessee? At best, they'd do about as well, and Ole Miss lost to Ky in their first SEC game. The question is, when you look at Indiana's schedule and their results, there is not anything that is inconsistent with them being elite.
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Vandy or South Carolina would probably be undefeated against that schedule...In the SEC the middle to lower-middle teams are all teams you don't want to sleep-walk against. There are some garbage teams in the Big 10.
 
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utvolpj said:
Every team you mentioned would also undefeated with that schedule. I would guess there are quite a few others that would as well. It's embarrassing
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Ole Miss lost to Kentucky...how many teams on IU's schedule are better than Kentucky? 3-4 in my opinion, but you seem sure that Ole Miss would be undefeated. You see how that doesn't make sense, right?
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
Ole Miss lost to Kentucky...how many teams on IU's schedule are better than Kentucky? 3-4 in my opinion, but you seem sure that Ole Miss would be undefeated. You see how that doesn't make sense, right?
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There's no team on IU schedule that would stand up against uga or om. Kentucky would have a decent shot at iu
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The way coaching contract buyouts are structured, if you won't give your successful coach an extension someone else will hire them away with a big raise and extension.

Schools have the choice:
pay your successful coach with very favorable buyout terms and lots of money
OR
search for another successful coach, who'll want lots of money and a favorable contract
OR
roll the dice like UT did with Heupel and Auburn did with Harsin..... and hope.

It's fine not to like paying for talent in your business, but business will suffer because others will pay your talent to jump. That applies to players and coaches.
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I agree with you. The agents figured out a way to make the big money on getting fired. It has the AD's bent over a barrel.
 
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Boca Vol said:
I agree with you. The agents figured out a way to make the big money on getting fired. It has the AD's bent over a barrel.
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Right. So raises and extensions = retention for coaches and raises = retention for players.

Overall, as long as the money holds strong, the college football product will thrive.

This new 12 team playoff generates "newness interest" for fans as we try to figure it out.

It's no longer just Bama, Ohio State, and lately GA being at the head of the pack. Oregon (read: Nike $$$$) and TX (read: oil $$$$) are rapidly figuring out that they CAN buy enough players and stable coaching to win in this era.

It's definitely no longer college football, of course, but a hybrid pro league, but there's some good football to watch and that's enough for most fans, especially when compared to the years of "is it Saban or Urban who is going to win it this year?"
 
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utvolpj said:
There's no team on IU schedule that would stand up against uga or om. Kentucky would have a decent shot at iu
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Boca Vol said:
The same team that beat Bama and took Texas to the wire. Sure. Why not?
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Why not? Because it makes no sense, that's why...Vandy lost to GaSt f chrissakes and yet they're undefeated playing better teams like Nebraska, Washington, Michigan? That's crazy talk

And Indiana has played a number of teams that are better than Kentucky and won. So the argument that a 1-7 SEC team like Ky "would have a decent shot at IU" is not supported by any evidence.
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
Why not? Because it makes no sense, that's why...Vandy lost to GaSt f chrissakes and yet they're undefeated playing better teams like Nebraska, Washington, Michigan? That's crazy talk

And Indiana has played a number of teams that are better than Kentucky and won. So the argument that a 1-7 SEC team like Ky "would have a decent shot at IU" is not supported by any evidence.
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Vandy is probably as good as Nebraska, Washington, Michigan.

IU had played 1 team with a winning record and avoided all but 1 of the best trans in their conf. Where are these number of better teams hiding?
 
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Boca Vol said:
Vandy or South Carolina would probably be undefeated against that schedule...In the SEC the middle to lower-middle teams are all teams you don't want to sleep-walk against. There are some garbage teams in the Big 10.
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Definitely think they would be. Realistically they could easily be 9-1 right now (Ole Miss was the only one not close).
 
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